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Pakistan plans seeking $12 billion IMF bailout: UK Financial Times

Cut a deal with Nawaz Shariff and Maryam Nawaz, let them go on two conditions that they bring ALL of the looted money back and seize all their properties in pakistan. Second condition,revoke their citizenship so they can never enter our politics ever again.

Nawaz and Maryam being in jail isn’t doing anything but wasting time. We need that looted money back in our country.

Great idea, but I don’t see it happening.

They are too arrogant to agree to such a thing. They still can’t accept that the Pakistani awaam pulled them down from their palaces.

If we release them, they will come back to Pakistan after establishing a support base.

It also sets a bad precedent for other corrupt people in the future. They have been sent to jail, let them serve their sentence.

We need to be rid of these people forever eventually.
 
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Frankly Pakistan needs to sit down and see what its labour and short term investment trends are to see what it can actually export competitively and sustainably.

Import substitution that you are suggesting is very slippery slope given the opportunity costs of the labour and investment that would be engaged in an insulated way from the free market (that breed inefficiencies over time).

Pakistan needs to seek to export more (with least amount of investment and maximum amount of productivity) rather than import less....because even high value imports can often be productive (i.e early in the economic chain) and might not be price inelastic as required to raise revenues and/or create the buffers needed for local production investment.



There may be an effect like you say short term (impulse of dollar supply and PKR demand) dependent on the deficit ramp (i.e what scale I.K prioritises), but you have to remember the 12 billion is not injected into the money supply immediately all at once, rather it is a base collateral to help finance Pakistan's precarious balance of payments situation.

The long term situation will depend on whether that improves (i.e will the sparks and kindling help to create a sustainable campfire), because ceterus paribus, a loan has servicing requirements and thus PKR depreciation pressure.

@Chak Bamu @Jungibaaz @Major Sam @farhan_9909

Okay let me crack the nut here. Indians have been posting for several days that Pakistan is going to IMF and even few Pakistanis have the same opinion but I am the only one who has been saying the opposition here.
Now I said that dollar will crash and every one did agreed.
Then I said PSX will boom every one disagreed
Okay let me make it clear Pakistan is not going to IMF it has more than enough foreign reserves to run the country for 3 years. I know it. I have info which media don't has.
 
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Okay let me crack the nut here. Indians have been posting for several days that Pakistan is going to IMF and even few Pakistanis have the same opinion but I am the only one who has been saying the opposition here.
Now I said that dollar will crash and every one did agreed.
Then I said PSX will boom every one disagreed
Okay let me make it clear Pakistan is not going to IMF it has more than enough foreign reserves to run the country for 3 years. I know it. I have info which media don't has.

Alhamdulilah. Thanks brother for your informed posts during the elections and esp on the forming of the Punjab government.

Many people were having nervous breakdowns in that thread imagining N league again in Punjab. Lol.

You are an asset here. Jazakh Allah.
 
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Lol media started with news Pakistan is going to IMF for $5 billion now that $6.5 billion have surfaced the idiot media is now saying Pakistan is going to IMF for &12 billion lol what is this a joke.


Dollar is going to crack below pkr 100 and if any one imports or hold on to dollar he will cry like hell
 
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Frankly Pakistan needs to sit down and see what its labour and short term investment trends are to see what it can actually export competitively and sustainably.

Import substitution that you are suggesting is very slippery slope given the opportunity costs of the labour and investment that would be engaged in an insulated way from the free market (that breed inefficiencies over time).

Pakistan needs to seek to export more (with least amount of investment and maximum amount of productivity) rather than import less....because even high value imports can often be productive (i.e early in the economic chain) and might not be price inelastic as required to raise revenues and/or create the buffers needed for local production investment.



There may be an effect like you say short term (impulse of dollar supply and PKR demand) dependent on the deficit ramp (i.e what scale I.K prioritises), but you have to remember the 12 billion is not injected into the money supply immediately all at once, rather it is a base collateral to help finance Pakistan's precarious balance of payments situation.

The long term situation will depend on whether that improves (i.e will the sparks and kindling help to create a sustainable campfire), because ceterus paribus, a loan has servicing requirements and thus PKR depreciation pressure.

@Chak Bamu @Jungibaaz @Major Sam @farhan_9909
Agreed whole heartedly. Export industries need to be enhanced; unfortunately chinese imports flooding markets have devastated regional economies. I see it here; it was a curse to lift tariffs on garments; we had a huge garment industry which was top notch and rivaled best in terms of quality but in 1996 lifting tariffs devastated that industry.
Fortunately we have been saved on other fronts for now locally here.
An imposition of austerity is required during hard times. It is doable and the people are resourceful. Unfortunately the tax cheating parasites elites have in all our countries made it hell for the poor and middle rank and file. It is time to tame those areas.
Rooting out corruption, enhancing education, industries etc are the only way out.
Instead of building stupid coal plants from China why not put up massive Solar/wind; Kerala & Tamil Nadu i think are leading in that area - my dear brother went there last year to inspect the blueprints in terms of risk analysis on how they did it to be able to use that model across the african continent.
The mode of having a begging bowl to borrow needs to be put to a halt.
 
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Okay let me crack the nut here. Indians have been posting for several days that Pakistan is going to IMF and even few Pakistanis have the same opinion but I am the only one who has been saying the opposition here.
Now I said that dollar will crash and every one did agreed.
Then I said PSX will boom every one disagreed
Okay let me make it clear Pakistan is not going to IMF it has more than enough foreign reserves to run the country for 3 years. I know it. I have info which media don't has.

Pak will have to go to the IMF, but not to the tune of 12 billion. It isn't as rosy as you make it out to be neither is it in dire straits as some make it out to be. Again, i'd like to make the point: IMF IS NOT THE HORRIBLE THING PEOPLE MAKE IT TO BE!
 
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There is a surplus of Pkr 800 billion worth of dollars in market and they are going to hit market for sale and dollar will crash.

Pak will have to go to the IMF, but not to the tune of 12 billion. It isn't as rosy as you make it out to be neither is it in dire straits as some make it out to be. Again, i'd like to make the point: IMF IS NOT THE HORRIBLE THING PEOPLE MAKE IT TO BE!

Well this is your wrong perception bro I know few things there is enough dollars in Pakistan that you can run the country for 3years there is nothing wrong with foreign reserves you will see this in just few more days.
 
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Okay let me make it clear Pakistan is not going to IMF it has more than enough foreign reserves to run the country for 3 years. I know it. I have info which media don't has.
Interesting. Let us see how this plays out. did you know some of the countries which have taken IMF loans are the richest on earth? Example is Ireland. Ireland is tiny country and if you adjust it for size it has loan equivalent to Pakistan taking out $200 billion. The same goes for Greece which has IMF loan 4 or 5 times what Pakistan can dream off.

Point being going to IMF per se is not bad. It is the deal you cut with them that makes the differance between bad/good. I think if they do go to IMF [I think there is more chance of that then not] I believe IK's administration will cut a good deal. That is they will get they the money, at good rates and with nominal conditionalties that allow PTI's manifesto to be rolled out. That is my opinion and time will tell who is right.
 
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Interesting. Let us see how this plays out. did you know some of the countries which have taken IMF loans are the richest on earth? Example is Ireland. Ireland is tiny country and if you adjust it for size it has loan equivalent to Pakistan taking out $200 billion. The same goes for Greece which has IMF loan 4 or 5 times what Pakistan can dream off.

Point being going to IMF per se is not bad. It is the deal you cut with them that makes the differance between bad/good. I think if they do go to IMF [I think there is more chance of that then not] I believe IK's administration will cut a good deal. That is they will get they will get the money, at good rates and with nominal conditionalties that allow PTI's manifesto to be rolled out. That is my opinion and time will tell who is right.

I am not saying that going to IMF is wrong. All I am saying is that we don't need to. Just tell me why ishaq Dar gave artificial support to dollar and depleted the foreign reserves?

That cheap dollar was bought by PMLN politicians and is still with in the economy and it is hitting the market because dollar is going down.
 
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Well lets see how it plays out.

No idea? Maybe to continue the look of artifical image of economy doing ok??
They were buying cheap dollar and were depleting the reserves to hike the price when it will become too low but plan failed and now they have to sell back because NAB is getting close.
 
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Lol media started with news Pakistan is going to IMF for $5 billion now that $6.5 billion have surfaced the idiot media is now saying Pakistan is going to IMF for &12 billion lol what is this a joke.


Dollar is going to crack below pkr 100 and if any one imports or hold on to dollar he will cry like hell
Dollar should be kept at the real vakue..asad umar knows this..but would he be allowed to work or pressurized
As i said numerous times before Mr Ismail of PMLN wasnt bad but he was given the task too late and later pressurized in doing certian things

Even asad umar says he know his staff ...

Critical mistake was not floating more bonds and allowing speculations

 
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If the new Govt. Does plan to take loan, then they should take it from China or Pak friends but definitely not from IMF
 
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Pak will have to go to the IMF, but not to the tune of 12 billion. It isn't as rosy as you make it out to be neither is it in dire straits as some make it out to be. Again, i'd like to make the point: IMF IS NOT THE HORRIBLE THING PEOPLE MAKE IT TO BE!
Friend, IMF track record is horrible; they fail to see issues from 3rd world prespective.
 
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