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Pakistan plans a push into its tribal areas - Los Angeles Times
U.S. officials have long sought more action from Islamabad on the troubled region, a haven for militants. But many worry the military isn't prepared for counter-terrorism work.
By Julian E. Barnes, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 29, 2008
WASHINGTON -- Meeting a key Pentagon demand, Pakistan's military is planning to move a major unit of its regular army into the tribal areas on its western border, a largely lawless area used as a haven by Al Qaeda and Afghan insurgents, Pakistani commanders have told U.S. military officials.

The army unit would supplement the country's Frontier Corps, an ill-trained force frequently routed by insurgents, a senior U.S. military officer said. A fully trained and equipped army unit would represent a change, long sought by U.S. officials, in Islamabad's stance toward the troubled region.


However, U.S. officials also question how effective or long-lasting the Pakistani push is likely to be.

"I think they are sincere in addressing what we have identified as the problem, but I am not sure they have wrapped their minds or their enthusiasm over what it will actually take," the officer said. "They are answering our request, but not in a way that will produce an enduring solution."

The disclosure came as President Bush and Pakistani Prime Minister Yusaf Raza Gillani met Monday at the White House to try to smooth a relationship that has been increasingly strained by differences over how to handle the militant threat from Pakistan's tribal areas.

Defusing fears of a rocky meeting, the two leaders stressed the positive in their Rose Garden comments. Bush called Pakistan an ally and said it had made a "strong commitment" to securing the border region. Gillani said Pakistan "is committed to fight" against those who he said are waging war against Pakistan.

The two also discussed a Monday missile attack in a border village in which a senior Al Qaeda official was reported killed. However, neither leader mentioned the Pakistani army plans to move troops into the area.

But Pakistani officials have told U.S. military officials they are planning to use the country's XI Corps, which is based in Waziristan, in the southern end of the tribal region, to counter militants. The Pakistanis have told U.S. officials they have identified key border crossing routes where they plan to station army units.

U.S. military officials have identified the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan, or FATA, as a refuge for Al Qaeda and a base from which militants mount attacks on American troops in Afghanistan.

Nine U.S. soldiers were killed July 13 in an attack in Afghanistan's Kunar province, a northeastern area that U.S. officials say is subject to frequent cross-border strikes. A month earlier, U.S.-led forces responding to an insurgent attack in the same area fired across the border; Pakistan said the Americans killed 11 of its troops.

U.S. officials have stationed CIA agents in Pakistan, launched special-forces missions and flown unmanned planes equipped with missiles, but have been frustrated by the hunt for militants in the tribal area. Pakistani opposition precludes an expanded U.S. presence, and Washington has been unsatisfied with Pakistan's response.

The XI Corps, stationed in Peshawar, was formed in 1975 and was assigned to defend Pakistan against the Soviet Union after the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. It also helped train anti-Soviet Afghan insurgents. The Corps has also frequently been sent to the Kashmir area when tensions with India have flared.

Military officials would not discuss how many troops the Pakistanis are sending. But U.S. officials said a key shortcoming of the plan is that Pakistan's military, including the XI Corps, has been trained for conventional warfare rather than counterinsurgency.

U.S. military officials would prefer that the Pakistani military begin a broad counterinsurgency and counter-terrorism operation, which would include economic projects, reaching out to tribes, targeted raids and a long-term troop presence.

Many of the U.S. officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the Pakistanis have not announced the operation.

The tribal areas have long resisted direct control by Islamabad. Largely autonomous, the border is protected by the Frontier Corps, a paramilitary force. Pakistan's new army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, has moved to reinforce the Frontier Corps with well-trained army officers. But the force remains poorly organized and equipped and, being drawn from those living in the region, often has little incentive to fight.

U.S. military and administration officials are wondering how far Kayani and his civilian bosses will go to deal with the tribal areas.

"Can we get the Pakistani government and the Pakistani military to come to grips with the threat?" asked a senior administration official. "What is their wake-up call?"

U.S. military officials are skeptical of Pakistan's ability to undertake even basic military operations, much less the more complex tasks a counterinsurgency requires. Previous pushes into the tribal areas by the regular army have been cut short after it took casualties.

"It is a very impotent force," a senior military official said of the Pakistani army.

There are about 800 border-crossing points between Pakistan and Afghanistan, according to U.S. defense officials. Most U.S. officials blame the tribal regions for the growing number of attacks.

"You have basically got ungoverned space in Pakistan that is providing sanctuary to different groups of insurgents," said the senior administration official. "They are using the area as staging bases, recruiting bases, training areas for attacks into Afghanistan."


In an effort to reduce violence, the Pakistani military has been signing agreements with many of the tribes. But a U.S. congressional official with expertise in the region said the agreements amount to little but a temporary truce.

U.S. military officials maintain that even though the Pakistani army is poorly prepared, negotiations must be backed by an active military presence in the tribal region.

According to administration officials, U.S. military and intelligence officials have been working on a sophisticated tribal map to identify tribal subgroups and their allegiances.

Military officials believe Al Qaeda has overplayed its hand in areas, betraying or killing tribal leaders. Those tribes may be willing to work with the Pakistani military.

"There are growing indications that many of the tribes in the FATA are eager for the government to do something and are putting pressure on provincial leaders," the senior officer said.

The Pakistani army, according to military and administration officials, still needs to build allies in the tribal groups.

"We can't see they have, in a strategic way, decided which of these groups are reconcilable and which are irreconcilable," the senior officer said.

U.S. officials would like to send special operations forces to train the Pakistani army in counterinsurgency. But the Pakistani public distrusts the United States, leaving little likelihood that many U.S. trainers will be allowed in.

Still, senior U.S. defense officials say they are scouring for new ways to get Pakistan to step up its efforts in the tribal areas.

"There is a sense of urgency," said a senior defense official. "There is this consensus from the intelligence community that Al Qaeda is reconstituting and the primary threat to NATO forces and Afghanistan forces is coming across the border from Pakistan."

Times staff writers Paul Richter, Josh Meyer, Peter Spiegel and Greg Miller contributed to this report.
 
Amin may they succeed in rooting out US/Anti-Pakistan funded terrorists.
 
There are a lot of factors to consider in this equation and a simple response of good and bad is does not do justice to this situation.
There are quite a few technical problems which need to be considered.
Firstly the population is as ruggid and hardy as they come. Idont think there is any example to equate it to in the Indian terms. Traditionally arms and ammunition has always existed and these people are experts at using them. There was an article about it(sorry I forget the source) which highlighted the fact the accuracy of firing of these people was at par or better than the trained Armed forces.
Secondlythe terrain. It is maountainous and difficult to maneouvre in armoured vehicles for most part. Movements into the hillly region can only be by foot whaich leaves army open to ambushes . bombardment of the area will result in the loss of a lot of innocent lives and therefore is not possible. Thirdly knowing the terrain well there are always escape routes for these locals, so even after loss of men ,the chances of getting results are slim.
Thirdly,the local pressure from various sources means that the armed forces never get to complete the task nad local pressure mounts to an extent which becomes too hot even for the Musharaf Govtt, to handle much less these pieces of spineless turd.
Fourthly the vested interests both internal and external who arm and aid these fighters and coerce them into creating havoc. The locals are also sucked in because they consider it a moral and religious duty to fight a foreign insurgent in their area(The Areas occupied by Pukhtoons). A 2400 Km porous border does not help whic has remained a bone of discontention between all parties for various reasons.This is adifficultissue and going into thesemantics of it would take too much time and patience which I ,frankly dont have.
Fifthly, the value of battle hardened gorrillas as a means to exerting power and extension of the arm of the armed forces has been speculated on extensiively. ISI has been involved in these areas since the 70s and there are various factors which make it diffcult to exterminate the hand that has done your dirty deeds.So there is a bit of complacency within the Armed forces to handle this situation. You have to remember that a lot of the regulars coe form theis area as well. It would therefore be difficult for them to take action against their own people. So there is a certain lack of resolve in the army as well which has been pointed out by varuius foreign sources but denied by the Army.On the other hand local Mafia, which is often an offshoot of guerrilla warfare has turned int oa vested interest in its own right.As someone in the know said" They may be Muslims and fight a holy war, say their prayers with dilligence,and fast , but in the eveningthey need their Back Labels and Ghanja as well". They need to get money to support their pressure gorup, therefore the lawlessness.
In short this is a difficult situation which demands a strong Government to take decisive action This Government does not qualify.I see this situation ongoing in the distant future as it is a good moneyspinner for both parties. Whether it is good for the country in the long run is another issue and I have commented on it earlier.
My 2 PAisas worth
WaSalam
Araz
 
Pakistan should not push its regular army into that area. The situation isn't that bad for the army to move there. FC should be trained and used in that area not the army. By the way Musharraf lost his support for adopting a pro US stance, i wonder how far can this government go specially with NS being the collation partner.
 
Pakistan should not push its regular army into that area. The situation isn't that bad for the army to move there. FC should be trained and used in that area not the army. By the way Musharraf lost his support for adopting a pro US stance, i wonder how far can this government go specially with NS being the collation partner.

This is an action to suite our foreign masters so that they do not have to move off their arses and we do all the dirty owrk for them. I say again!! Seal the border and present Uncle Sam with the Bill, establish Biometrics monitoring at the checkposts. lets be done with it once and for all.
Araz
 
This is an action to suite our foreign masters so that they do not have to move off their arses and we do all the dirty owrk for them. I say again!! Seal the border and present Uncle Sam with the Bill, establish Biometrics monitoring at the checkposts. lets be done with it once and for all.
Araz


Yes Sir i agree seal the border, min it nad also isntall biomateric system at the border with Afghanistan.
 
will it be safe thats my biggest concern remember operation search light in decca in the 70s then we have operation clean up in khi in 92 & the mess it created honestly i don't have a good gut feeling regarding this one definitely things are turning messy but there has to be a better way to deal with it most probably this is a trap Pakistan army will have to assesses all possible backlash scenarios before giving it a go
 
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Amin may they succeed in rooting out US/Anti-Pakistan funded terrorists.
Yes yes... and what about all the self perpetuating Islamist movements that are funded locally or from other Islamist organizations? Are they to be left alone?
Your while machinations about Anti-Pakistan funded militias are at least laughable and at most dangerous given that they serve as detractors from the real problem.
 
This is an action to suite our foreign masters so that they do not have to move off their arses and we do all the dirty owrk for them. I say again!! Seal the border and present Uncle Sam with the Bill, establish Biometrics monitoring at the checkposts. lets be done with it once and for all.
Araz
The problem is affecting Pakistan more than anyone else. If Pakistan does not do everything to handle this situation, the world at large who is affected by Islamist radicalism emanating from this area will be provided with ample reason to launch a full scale invasion (i.e bomb the place to smithereens), which would pretty much destroy Pakistan. This can not and should not be allowed to happen.

The US can provide a lot of help if need be, but the eventual motivation ought to come from within.
 
The problem is affecting Pakistan more than anyone else. If Pakistan does not do everything to handle this situation, the world at large who is affected by Islamist radicalism emanating from this area will be provided with ample reason to launch a full scale invasion (i.e bomb the place to smithereens), which would pretty much destroy Pakistan. This can not and should not be allowed to happen.

The US can provide a lot of help if need be, but the eventual motivation ought to come from within.

Lets not get carried away...problem is indeed there in the tribal areas but nobody is going to take action in Pakistan proper. FATA is already being targeted with tacit Pakistani-US understanding. There are limits to what Pakistan can do and Pakistan will make room where possible. Outside of that, nothing is happening...especially the talk of bombing the place to smithereens etc.
 
Yes yes... and what about all the self perpetuating Islamist movements that are funded locally or from other Islamist organizations? Are they to be left alone?
Your while machinations about Anti-Pakistan funded militias are at least laughable and at most dangerous given that they serve as detractors from the real problem.

The exact same can be said about US as well. You guys only see the radical islamist organizations but on the other hand has allowed India to carry on with proxy wars of hers with the consent of Karzai into the tribal areas of Pakistan. Yes that is happening right under your nose and government of Pakistan on different occasions have raised concerns over it which US seems to overlook.
 
What proxy war has Indian launched?

There are no Indian Army troops there!
 
What proxy war has Indian launched?

There are no Indian Army troops there!
As if you need to troops to do such work. Indian consulates are more than adequate for carrying out this type of work against Pakistan.
 

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