Pakistan orders Dutch OPV (1,900 tons, 90 m). To be built at KSEW

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

This is a contract for two Off Shore Patrol Vessels for US$60M. PN had to source these OPV's from Netherlands after USA showed no interest in providing them under FMS

So is it basically 1 built in the Netherlands and 1 built in Pakistan?

 

[Sine Nomine]

@Rashid Mahmood @Bilal Khan (Quwa) pity on us,if we are not even capable of designing and building a ship of that class.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

@Rashid Mahmood @Bilal Khan (Quwa) pity on us,if we are not even capable of designing and building a ship of that class.

It's not just designing, Pakistan has gaps in terms of sourcing the necessary materials - especially steel and composites - to independently construct such ships. I've noticed there are more ship designers out there (in places like Bulgaria of all places) than there are sources for steel and engines. These off-the-shelf designs tend to package and guarantee the core inputs, be it from Europe or from China.

 

[Penguin]

So is it basically 1 built in the Netherlands and 1 built in Pakistan?

Could well be, esp. if more than 2 are envisioned in the long run. Increased length could also allow for boarding a larger helicopter (SH3): the Multi-Mission Hangar (MM Hangar) is capable of storing an 11-tonne NH-90 helicopter and aUAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) such as the Boeing ScanEagle®. The sea-axe bow is optional, I believe.

OPV1800

Multimission bridge

Multimission bay

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...-meet-demand-for-multi-mission-platforms.html

 

[PAR 5]

So is it basically 1 built in the Netherlands and 1 built in Pakistan?

Roughly speaking yes.

 

[Penguin]

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Could well be, esp. if more than 2 are envisioned in the long run. Increased length could also allow for boarding a larger helicopter (SH3): the Multi-Mission Hangar (MM Hangar) is capable of storing an 11-tonne NH-90 helicopter and aUAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) such as the Boeing ScanEagle®. The sea-axe bow is optional, I believe.

OPV1800

Multimission bridge

Multimission bay

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...-meet-demand-for-multi-mission-platforms.html

It's an interesting design. In fact, it reminds me of a landing platform dock (LPD) in some respects, especially the multi-mission bay area underneath the flight deck. If not that, then perhaps it could serve as a command ship to coordinate the PN's corvettes, light frigates and FACs (and/or the PMSA's MPVs).

Roughly speaking yes.

*Assembled in Pakistan with kits from Damen.

 

[Sine Nomine]

It's not just designing, Pakistan has gaps in terms of sourcing the necessary materials - especially steel and composites - to independently construct such ships. I've noticed there are more ship designers out there (in places like Bulgaria of all places) than there are sources for steel and engines. These off-the-shelf designs tend to package and guarantee the core inputs, be it from Europe or from China.

I agree with you on engine part,there are very few turbine manufacturers out there but we have good steel industry,if we will try then manufacturing composites and steel will not be a problem and Engine's even Indians and Israelis are sourcing it off the shelf.

 

[Penguin]

Two wild unofficial variations I found:

Cuban version (2x AK230, 1x AK257)

http://www.militar.org.ua/foro/industria-militar-cubana-t5322-795.html

Venezualan version (with Russian arms: 2x AK 630, 2x4 Kh35 Uran, 1x AK176, and associated radars MR123, 3Ts-25E Garpun-B)

http://www.militar.org.ua/foro/marina-de-guerra-revolucionaria-t866-1395.html

THis is as proposed to Malaysia (LIMA 2017):

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...re-opv-of-the-malaysian-coast-guard-mmea.html
"DSBE is currently delivering a series of three 83 meters OPVS for the MMEA through a collaboration with TH Fabricators Sdn Bhd. This vessel is designed for border and EEZ surveillance, control, interception, search and rescue missions, disaster relief and humanitarian aid as well as counter piracy and smuggling activites, amongst others.
The new class of vessel displaces 1900 tonnes, has a speed of 20 knots, a range of 4500 nautical miles and may accomodate 91 persons.
The design of the OPV actually comes from Damen and is based on their "OPV 1800" series.
Navy Recognition learned during LIMA 2017 that similar to the smaller NGPC class, the OPV will be fitted with an Aselsan SMASH remote weapon station and Thales Fulmar UAV."

MMEA OPV will not come with a hangar for an embarked helicopter. It can land and refuel helicopters up to an AW139, however, as well as UAVs. No decision has been made on the UAV. It will be fitted with the Aselsan SMASH 30mm RWS on the A deck,two GPMGs on both sides just behind the bridge and a 50 caliber gun facing aft above the helo deck.
http://www.malaysiandefence.com/two-contenders-mrss/

LIMA 2017: MMEA unveils design of new helicopter-capable OPV platform
Ridzwan Rahmat, Langkawi - IHS Jane's Navy International
22 March 2017
The vessels are being ordered under a three-ship, MYR738.9 million (USD167 million) contract that was first announced in January 2017.
http://www.w54.biz/showthread.php?1...8df980531f00da75&p=73453&viewfull=1#post73453



General Info http://defencetechnologyreview.real...spx?iid=131399&startpage=page0000028#folio=26

Damen Offshore Patrol Vessel 1800

Looking rather old-fashioned compared to the high-speed axe bow vessels that Damen are renowned for, this solid OPV may nevertheless be more the sort of thing that the RAN is after for providing a reliable, enduring presence around its northern border. Damen offers 72m, 83m (on display), 90m and 98m variants, so there’s plenty of options to choose from. The 1800 (model number and displacement in tons) has a top speed of just 22 knots but would no doubt be economical to run and appears to have a flexible mission bay below the helicopter deck to allow the ship to be adapted for different missions.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/opvs-display-pacific-2015-tom-dearling

 

[Mrc]

Would it carry surface to surface mijjiles??

 

[Furqan Sarwar]

Two wild unofficial variations I found:

Cuban version (2x AK230, 1x AK257)

http://www.militar.org.ua/foro/industria-militar-cubana-t5322-795.html

Venezualan version (with Russian arms: 2x AK 630, 2x4 Kh35 Uran, 1x AK176, and associated radars MR123, 3Ts-25E Garpun-B)

http://www.militar.org.ua/foro/marina-de-guerra-revolucionaria-t866-1395.html

THis is as proposed to Malaysia (LIMA 2017):

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...re-opv-of-the-malaysian-coast-guard-mmea.html
"DSBE is currently delivering a series of three 83 meters OPVS for the MMEA through a collaboration with TH Fabricators Sdn Bhd. This vessel is designed for border and EEZ surveillance, control, interception, search and rescue missions, disaster relief and humanitarian aid as well as counter piracy and smuggling activites, amongst others.
The new class of vessel displaces 1900 tonnes, has a speed of 20 knots, a range of 4500 nautical miles and may accomodate 91 persons.
The design of the OPV actually comes from Damen and is based on their "OPV 1800" series.
Navy Recognition learned during LIMA 2017 that similar to the smaller NGPC class, the OPV will be fitted with an Aselsan SMASH remote weapon station and Thales Fulmar UAV."

MMEA OPV will not come with a hangar for an embarked helicopter. It can land and refuel helicopters up to an AW139, however, as well as UAVs. No decision has been made on the UAV. It will be fitted with the Aselsan SMASH 30mm RWS on the A deck,two GPMGs on both sides just behind the bridge and a 50 caliber gun facing aft above the helo deck.
http://www.malaysiandefence.com/two-contenders-mrss/

LIMA 2017: MMEA unveils design of new helicopter-capable OPV platform
Ridzwan Rahmat, Langkawi - IHS Jane's Navy International
22 March 2017
The vessels are being ordered under a three-ship, MYR738.9 million (USD167 million) contract that was first announced in January 2017.
http://www.w54.biz/showthread.php?1...8df980531f00da75&p=73453&viewfull=1#post73453



General Info http://defencetechnologyreview.real...spx?iid=131399&startpage=page0000028#folio=26

Damen Offshore Patrol Vessel 1800

Looking rather old-fashioned compared to the high-speed axe bow vessels that Damen are renowned for, this solid OPV may nevertheless be more the sort of thing that the RAN is after for providing a reliable, enduring presence around its northern border. Damen offers 72m, 83m (on display), 90m and 98m variants, so there’s plenty of options to choose from. The 1800 (model number and displacement in tons) has a top speed of just 22 knots but would no doubt be economical to run and appears to have a flexible mission bay below the helicopter deck to allow the ship to be adapted for different missions.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/opvs-display-pacific-2015-tom-dearling

What about the Anti Air & Sea capabilities as the news says it will have these capabilities but the design doesn't have those.

 

[Usamafarooqi99]

Sir any pics? and are they for Navy or PMSA?

Navy bro

 

[BetterPakistan]

This is start expect lot of surprises for Navy and also Air Force soon

You didn't mentioned name of any procurement this time?

Frankly, its good because whenever you mention procurement specifically than the chances of that deal narrows substantially

 

[niaz]

@Rashid Mahmood @Bilal Khan (Quwa) pity on us,if we are not even capable of designing and building a ship of that class.

Wouldn’t you agree that designing a rifle is far more simple that building a naval ship? Why are we testing foreign designed rifles?

Answer is that copying something as they do in Darra Adam Khel or building under license is totally different from designing something ‘ab initio’. The new design has to be better and cheaper than buying it off the shelf, else it is a waste of time and effort.

Please understand that neither Thunder, nor Al-Khalid is totally of Pakistani origin. Augusta’s were simply assembled in Pakistan.

In addition to the engine, weapons, avionics, command & control systems all of which would have to be imported to ensure that these are state of the art; designing a vessel hull especially of a warship is a very fine art.

Even building ordinary fishing boats requires skill and experience because the vessel hull is continuously under the effect of different types of forces acting at the same time while it is in water. There are constraints on combination of length, beam (breadth) and draft (depth in water) depending upon the maximum speed and manoeuvrability else the vessel will not be stable. Once this has been established, naval architects have to find materials that have high durability and resistance to prevent structural damage during 20 to 30 years of operation.

Naval architecture like any other discipline is a specialized field. We can surely build something similar but would it be as good and cheaper?

 

[Sine Nomine]

I agree with you sir,other then the fact that,

Wouldn’t you agree that designing a rifle is far more simple that building a naval ship? Why are we testing foreign designed rifles?

We must admit it,that we have a fetish for imported things and rifles are one of them,citing the fact that we have got a very vibrant gun culture+thousands of small manufacturers building customized weapons,that's not a difficult task,we have got many highly educated gun enthusiasts who have got a lot of skills in field of guns.
But at the end of day,those who selected MP5 for Army whay they will do everyone knows that

Naval architecture like any other discipline is a specialized field. We can surely build something similar but would it be as good and cheaper?

I agree with you sir,Naval Architecture is a very complex and specialized field but does that means we should never venture into that?
I am sure we were able to break complex nuclear tech and build many things in house we can do that,it's just a matter of will.