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There is a similar thread open about this need in Bangladesh, and IMHO, Pakistan needs this as well.


The Indians are also doing this on sections of the Ganga River at the moment with hopes of making the whole river navigable soon.


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A large part of attracting investors is cost of doing business. Pakistan has a sizable population but most of the population does not live in Karachi, where it would be the cheapest for an export oriented company to set up a factory, if shipping costs are the primarily concern.

If Pakistan had navigable rivers it could utilize its entire population the way the US does along the Mississippi or China does along the Yangtze or Pearl rivers.

Navigable rivers in Pakistan are one of the key to rapid industrialization. We can’t move most of our population to the coasts to make labor Available to the global companies, but we can bring ships to our populations in the form of navigable rivers. Couple this with a canal (The “Makran Canal”) from Karachi to Gwadar and you have a way to make Gwadar, with its deep water port, relevant to global trade, a potentially viable competitor to Dubai, and therefore more Chinese investment, not just in Gwadar but the whole of a Pakistan. Gwadar with a canal via Karachi and not a rail line directly north to Quetta would also make it more secure from potential future successionist plans.

We need to think big, and a lot of the work we can do ourselves. Think of our rivers like they were the Mississippi River or the Yangtze with each of their tributaries. I use to live near one of the tributaries of the Mississippi and would watch the barges going by day after day. Shipping by sea is the cheapest form of transport. Couple this with a railway from the Rivers to China via Afghanistan and Central Asia, and you get a non-Malacca Route for Chinese trade; commercial customers. with a trade route like that, commercial investors would come from both East and West, making Pakistan important to global trade; because it would be the like the “Suez Canal” to Central Asia. This route would be the only Non-Chinese, Non-Iranian, Non-Russian influenced route into Central Asia.

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We can start by being more careful in how we use our water. We need to use modern farms of agriculture and conserve the water so there is enough to make the rivers Navigable all the way down into the Indus delta (which would also enhance the national defense by creating a water barrier for enemy forces to have to cross, as we have seen in the recent Ukraine war). With proper water management we can go from the current 45 Million acres of Arable land to 70 Million acres of arable land (or a 55% increase) as outlined in the Pakistan flood control system. These added land could increase tax payments and help pay for some of this project.



In fact with the following chart, you can know exactly how deep the water level needs to be to carry ships of a certain weight down River.

The Indians have been studying the navigability of the River Ravi for Years



With the right boat (A Stern Landing Vessel), a ship could travel the Rivers of Pakistan, AND traverse the Arabian Sea and make it to the port of Djibouti, where trade with Africa would be at the lowest possible cost. If Ethiopia and Djibouti use some of the water from the Great Renaissance dam to build a canal from the dam to Djibouti, a ship like this could sail into the African interior. It wouldn’t need a prepared port to trade in; so imaging a small factory town in Pakistan trading with a small mining town in the middle of Africa, or Vice versa, all this with minimal amount of local government (or potential corrupt local elite interference)

Sailing through the Congo river, it could then sail up the west coast of Africa and could sail through the entire Niger a river system as well. HUGE trade potential with a few key infrastructure projects. Sailing along the coasts is a strategy done in Europe called the “Motorway of the Sea”
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This kind of ship would not only be good for commerce but Pakistani military logistics, and would make the profit margins even higher for existing industrialists. It’s a win win that any Smart party would do, especially if they can convince the people that conserving water and using it wisely will benefit them greatly.

Then Pakistan could easily trade in higher amounts with Africa and Central Asia, as well as earn from the transit trade accordingly.

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So Sialkot Footballs and Faisalabad Textiles on a ship, straight from the factory, right into the heart of an African city (where in many places road and rail infrastructure is limited at best), means a HUGE place for economic growth and diversification of our trade, especially when Africa’s population is expect to double in the next 30 years.

These are the kinds of projects I would hope our government/establishment, whatever are focused on, instead of the current political situation.

Now that’s the way to attract the interest of investors. 8-)
 
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It would take a lot of investment & restructuring of irrigation to achieve this. I am not sure if Pakistan can manage to do this.

Here are the challenges:

1. Water in the rivers is barely enough for agriculture, let alone navigation. This would need complete restructuring of agricultural practices.

2. There would be a need to dredge navigable channels over many thousands of KMs. That would be a massive undertaking.

3. Setting up infrastructure to support the use of this facility would need a good deal of investment.

My suggestion: improve railways instead. That would pay similar dividends & be much more cost-effective.
 
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It would take a lot of investment & restructuring of irrigation to achieve this. I am not sure if Pakistan can manage to do this.

Here are the challenges:

1. Water in the rivers is barely enough for agriculture, let alone navigation. This would need complete restructuring of agricultural practices.

2. There would be a need to dredge navigable channels over many thousands of KMs. That would be a massive undertaking.

3. Setting up infrastructure to support the use of this facility would need a good deal of investment.

My suggestion: improve railways instead. That would pay similar dividends & be much more cost-effective.
It would be done incrementally, and in conjunction with building dams in Sindh and Punjab as outlined in the Pakistan Flood Control System. But instead of building a new “Grand India Canal” (which was envisioned to potentially be navigable) as outlined in that plan, we could start by making parts of the river navigable to start and then work from there.


It’s a costly project for sure, but the benefits are society changing. we could also do this plan mostly ourselves, with local inputs, with prospects for long term national development beyond the benefits brought by modernizing the railways. We can start with better more efficient water management, less heavy metal poisoning in said drinking water, and more organic certified agricultural exports.

The dredging work could employ hundreds of thousands initially and tens of thousands every year.

The infrastructure build for this could help mitigate the damage caused by major floods which tend to happen every decade. So by building this we would in effect be spending what it would to repair from one major flood like what happened in 2010, and the maintenance costs would probably be the equivalent of each decades flood amortized over the following decade.

With proper water management we can also increase arable land by 55% from the current 45 million acres to 70 million acres, as outlined in the PFCS, and add that the other ways this plan could be paid for.
 
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Not really, because of Pakistani geography, itself Trains is the best, cheapest & quickest option.
A country of 200Million people has very limited train routes, the majority of the country is not even connected, by setting up trains you can transfer large amounts of goods & people quicker on trains than roads, that will limit the HGV traffic on roads so less damage to roads,
less traffic, less amounted need to repair roads. cheaper from traders from smaller tons to send goods to bigger cities in larger amounts and quicker.
Less pollution from cars, busses & trucks
Compare the railway map of Pakistan & UK its not just about funds a lot of these were developed in 50s,60s,70s & 80s

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Not really, because of Pakistani geography, itself Trains is the best, cheapest & quickest option.
A country of 200Million people has very limited train routes, the majority of the country is not even connected, by setting up trains you can transfer large amounts of goods & people quicker on trains than roads, that will limit the HGV traffic on roads so less damage to roads,
less traffic, less amounted need to repair roads. cheaper from traders from smaller tons to send goods to bigger cities in larger amounts and quicker.
Less pollution from cars, busses & trucks
Compare the railway map of Pakistan & UK its not just about funds a lot of these were developed in 50s,60s,70s & 80s

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tocs-v55b-tl-december-2021.jpg
Sure trains are better and cheaper then transport by road. But transport by water, once the infrastructure is in place, is a lot cheaper and better for certain bulk cargo.

If certain cargo can be loaded on a ship from let’s say Sialkot and sailed all the way to its destination (without changing vessels) in another country it would save time and be even more cheaper. Even with the most efficient freight rail system in the world, a lot of cargo in the US is transported by barge. Pakistan look at the feasibility of river transport, so it can open up more opportunities for economic growth and more exports to new markets.

Btw, thats the passenger rail map? Isn’t this the freight rail map of the UK? Isn’t a lot of freight transported by truck in Europe then rail, and a lot of freight is transported by barge on the Danube and Rhine?
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See slide 6; river Rhine transport even exceeds rail transport
 
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Sure trains are better and cheaper then transport by road. But transport by water, once the infrastructure is in place, is a lot cheaper and better for certain bulk cargo.

If certain cargo can be loaded on a ship from let’s say Sialkot and sailed all the way to its destination (without changing vessels) in another country it would save time and be even more cheaper. Even with the most efficient freight rail system in the world, a lot of cargo in the US is transported by barge. Pakistan look at the feasibility of river transport, so it can open up more opportunities for economic growth and more exports to new markets.

Btw, thats the passenger rail map? Isn’t this the freight rail map of the UK? Isn’t a lot of freight transported by truck in Europe then rail, and a lot of freight is transported by barge on the Danube and Rhine?
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See slide 6; river Rhine transport even exceeds rail transport

Few major differences
1 You will need to build the whole infrastructure, not just newer ports, new tributaries & channels, also you need to keep eye on its impact as how will these affect the current rivers as Pakistan is getting half or less than half of its water while India is building more dams on another side ( Indus Watery treaty ) which will be hella expensive, while with train you will be complementing the existing system instead of creating something new which Pakistan doesn't have funds for

2 Another issue even if this project does get built does Pakistan have the ability to actually utilize it ? i don't think so and it will still be limited to a few cities only not the whole country, while the Trains can connect each end to each other, bringing more unity between cities (especially with faster trains in the future ) and generate more commute


3 Regarding Europe, Yes Road system does get used but not for ultra-heavy loads that are on Trains or Rivers ( Infrastructure is already in place before even Pakistan existed & because of the location itself Pakistan is not an island nation only one Edge of Pakistan hits Water ) and the majority of that is Barren land with very few cities and only 2 cities can currently utilize this which are Karachi & Gawadar which already got one

4 You cant compare Pakistan with EU or US because it has a totally different kind of landmass while the US has built new channels which complement the existing natural systems which is not the case for Pakistan. Also, a lot of heavy industries in states in the last century were built around the water, which wasn't the case for Pakistan.

5 One ship from Sialkot to Europe won't work either, None of the Pakistani cities build that much off cargo 2nd for international waters you need bit bigger ships, for that you need deeper channels, which will cause own problems
 
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The itch in your BRAIN, you dumbass.
 
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Few major differences
1 You will need to build the whole infrastructure, not just newer ports, new tributaries & channels, also you need to keep eye on its impact as how will these affect the current rivers as Pakistan is getting half or less than half of its water while India is building more dams on another side ( Indus Watery treaty ) which will be hella expensive, while with train you will be complementing the existing system instead of creating something new which Pakistan doesn't have funds for

2 Another issue even if this project does get built does Pakistan have the ability to actually utilize it ? i don't think so and it will still be limited to a few cities only not the whole country, while the Trains can connect each end to each other, bringing more unity between cities (especially with faster trains in the future ) and generate more commute


3 Regarding Europe, Yes Road system does get used but not for ultra-heavy loads that are on Trains or Rivers ( Infrastructure is already in place before even Pakistan existed & because of the location itself Pakistan is not an island nation only one Edge of Pakistan hits Water ) and the majority of that is Barren land with very few cities and only 2 cities can currently utilize this which are Karachi & Gawadar which already got one

4 You cant compare Pakistan with EU or US because it has a totally different kind of landmass while the US has built new channels which complement the existing natural systems which is not the case for Pakistan. Also, a lot of heavy industries in states in the last century were built around the water, which wasn't the case for Pakistan.

5 One ship from Sialkot to Europe won't work either, None of the Pakistani cities build that much off cargo 2nd for international waters you need bit bigger ships, for that you need deeper channels, which will cause own problems
All fair points. Yes, we should focus on the railways (not just mainline 1 but rebuilding all of the mainlines). Utilizing the rivers is best left to when we have better finances, made all else efficient, and can actually properly utilize them.
 
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Seems like a disaster for the environment. Straightening rivers is very resource intensive, money can be spent on other areas. Thankfully no one is going to do it😊
 
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