Pakistan navy post 2020 - Future Plans

[Niko Zhang]

Design could have changed of front portion of our Type 54 and those could have been adjusted if leadership shows will and vision

u mean u prefer to have the universal VLS installed in 054AP?

 

[Tipu7]

054AP is a bit better than 054A. PN paid more than PLAN. And certainly PN has their own demand. However, the latest 054AP updated its anti ship fire power. Same missile as 054AP, but longer range.

In what sense? Which Missile?

Design could have changed of front portion of our Type 54 and those could have been adjusted if leadership shows will and vision

Type 54 AP VLS will house HHQ-16. The version, either A or B, is yet to be known. Probably the layout of VLS modules will provide some indication once the vessels will be launched.

 

[LKJ86]

In what sense? Which Missile?

Maybe the export version of YJ-12, instead of YJ-83.

Type 54 AP VLS will house HHQ-16. The version, either A or B, is yet to be known.

There is no so-called "HHQ-16".
HQ-16A and HQ-16B are land-based versions.

Probably the layout of VLS modules will provide some indication once the vessels will be launched.

You also have to consider the radar systems.

 

[Niko Zhang]

In what sense? Which Missile?


Type 54 AP VLS will house HHQ-16. The version, either A or B, is yet to be known. Probably the layout of VLS modules will provide some indication once the vessels will be launched.

The anti ship missile of 054AP is CM-302. It is an export version of YJ-12, shorter range. You can say YJ-12 is so far the best supersonic cruise anti ship missile. So even if the range is shorter, it’s still very powerful.

 

[Niko Zhang]

Maybe the export version of YJ-12, instead of YJ-83.


There is no so-called "HHQ-16".
HQ-16A and HQ-16B are land-based versions.


You also have to consider the radar systems.

HQ-16A is land based. HQ-16B seems can be deployed both on the ground and on ships. The modification is mainly about the missile itself, longer range, different aerodynamic configuration, better anti-interference capability, active radar seeker.

 

[Zarvan]

u mean u prefer to have the universal VLS installed in 054AP?

Yes a slightly bigger Ship it would have become but worth it

 

[Niko Zhang]

Yes a slightly bigger Ship it would have become but worth it

Well, AJK-16, the VLS on 054AP is universal. The new VLS on 052D is designed for long range SAM, anti-ballistic missile, ASBM, long range cruise missile and other expensive stuff in order to beat US. It is not realistic for PN to get them. For example, 052D is 7000t and equipped with AESA radar for the new VLS. Even Russia does not have such nice ship except Kirov.

 

[LKJ86]

HQ-16A is land based. HQ-16B seems can be deployed both on the ground and on ships.

Land-based HQ-16A and HQ-16B are cold-launched, while ship-based HQ-16 is hot-launched.

You can say YJ-12 is so far the best supersonic cruise anti ship missile.

PLAN prefers YJ-18.

 

[Akh1112]

Yep, it is the VLS used by Type 052D and Type 055.
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This is wrong. The 054A/P uses the H/AJK16 whereas the 52D and 055 uses the GJB 5860-2006

 

[LKJ86]

This is wrong. The 054A/P uses the H/AJK16 whereas the 52D and 055 uses the GJB 5860-2006

What are you talking about?

 

[Akh1112]

What are you talking about?

Apologies, i just re-read your message, i had thought you said the H/AJK16 was shared among the rest of the ships too. my bad.

 

[Niko Zhang]

Land-based HQ-16A and HQ-16B are cold-launched, while ship-based HQ-16 is hot-launched.


PLAN prefers YJ-18.

Yes, the launch approaches are different. Since the improvements are mostly about the missile itself, hq-16b is gradually introduced to Chinese army and navy. No need for big upgrades for other equipments.

YJ-18 surely gets a bit more love than YJ-12. However, it doesn’t mean it’s better than YJ-12. Plus YJ-18 is technically not quite supersonic, I don’t think it’s wrong to call YJ-12 the best supersonic cruise anti-ship missile

 

[LKJ86]

Yes, the launch approaches are different. Since the improvements are mostly about the missile itself, hq-16b is gradually introduced to Chinese army and navy. No need for big upgrades for other equipments.

The land-based versions and the ship-based versions also have completely different radar systems.

Plus YJ-18 is technically not quite supersonic

No, YJ-18 is subsonic-supersonic mixed, and its range is much longer than that of YJ-12.

 

[Niko Zhang]

The land-based versions and the ship-based versions also have completely different radar systems.


No, YJ-18 is subsonic-supersonic mixed, and its range is much longer than that of YJ-12.

Yes, both, partially. HQ-16A uses AESA radar and some other differences. I’m trying to say there should be no problem for Chinese Army and Navy to use the upgraded missiles.

And yes, mixed, first subsonic then 3 Mach sprint. But if we narrow it down, among all the anti ship cruise missile that goes supersonic all the way, YJ-12 is very likely the best

 

[Figaro]

It looks like Pakistan's navy is going to become very formidable with the deliveries of the new frigates and submarines. The Indian navy first had to deal with the PLAN and now it looks like they will have to deal with the Pakistani navy as well. Let's see if there is also a corresponding Indian naval build up.