Pakistan navy post 2020 - Future Plans

[khanasifm]

Well than it would be more probable that they change our design like I said


Does China have a VLS which is a Universal one I mean if mission requires it can carry Cruise Missiles and if mission requires it Carry Air Defence ???

054a Vls can carry Sam and are able to carry Asroc ie anti sub rocket/missile

not sure if other type can also be carried but usually now day Vls are multi purpose


https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...marine-rocket-asroc-emerges-out-of-china.html

Possibly f-22p may also get Vls in future

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china-and-iran’s-newest-weapon-vertical-launch-systems-102797

 

[Zarvan]

PN is working according to a development plan, after the current programmes are well advanced. The follow up will include (if finances and economy are sufficiently strong to allow).

1. 6-8 new frigates (either newer type 054 or next gen PLAN).

2. Jet powered LRMPA to gradually replace P3.

3. Drone aircraft that can perform MP and ASW.

4. A type 071 or similar vessel 1 or 2.

5. A further 4 or 6 Jinnah Corvette/light frigate.

6. A further order of submarines after Hangor program is completed.

7. Coastal sub/special forces program.

8. Further expansion of Pak Marines.

9. Dedicated small number of fighter aircraft.

10. 4 - 6 destroyer vessels with 052 DDG most likely purchased. With talks between Chinese and Pakistani officials already taken place.

11. Development of SSBN and SSN and have a true 2nd and 3rd strike capability.

12. Long Range SLBM and SLCM.

This is very ambitious and any number of things could halt or stop these programs (finances being the most likely). But all the services and especially the Navy are thinking forward.

Yes financial issues could stop it but if these are part of Navy plans or machines they wish and want to have shows that Navy plans to have much much bigger Navy than anyone here initially thought

 

[Rafi]

Yes financial issues could stop it but if these are part of Navy plans or machines they wish and want to have shows that Navy plans to have much much bigger Navy than anyone here initially thought

Yes it all depends on finance, we need to sort out our economy, not just for defence but also for the welfare of the people. If we could our allies and our own indigenous tech, the sky is the limit.

 

[Zarvan]

Yes it all depends on finance, we need to sort out our economy, not just for defence but also for the welfare of the people. If we could our allies and our own indigenous tech, the sky is the limit.

I am happy that at least thoughts and plans are there. This planning is important because this will ensure that the moment funds are available we would go for these things. If there was no vision than even availability of funds won't matter

 

[aziqbal]

a ship I would like to see added to the list is a submarine rescue ship

we are getting 8 x SSK and we defiantly need a deep sea recuse vessel

signing a contract with Turkey for a single MOSHIP would be a good idea bit like the TCG Alemdar A-582

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Awaiting for the good news arrival of new ships and submarines this year 2020

 

[aziqbal]

Awaiting for the good news arrival of new ships and submarines this year 2020

not sure we are getting submarine this year those delivery are due to start 2022 onwards

and if we add one submarine each year 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025 from China and then add our own in 2025 ( so two units in 2025) , 2026, 2027 and 2028 this should complete the 8 x SSK

and before all of this by 2022 we should have 3 x upgraded Agosta 90B done by Turkey

so within next 8 years we will basically have 11 very formidable very modern submarines

thats allot of manpower and sailors needed

the icing on the cake of all of this would be the revelation of a LACM on the S20 submarines in the form of the Babur III

 

[Readerdefence]

a ship I would like to see added to the list is a submarine rescue ship

we are getting 8 x SSK and we defiantly need a deep sea recuse vessel

signing a contract with Turkey for a single MOSHIP would be a good idea bit like the TCG Alemdar A-582

Hi is there anything Chinese are using as a rescue vessel & how expensive are they
If possible to answer
Thank you

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I was under assumption we will get some goods in 2020

2020 : 2 Submarines , 2 Type 054 Frigates
2021: Patience
2022 : 2 Submarines , 1 Type 054 Frigates
2023 : 2 Submarines , 1 Turkish Corvettes
2024 : 2 Submarines , 1 Type 054 Frigate
2025: 3 Turkish Corvettes

We ordered these Submarines 4 years ago

 

[aziqbal]

Hi is there anything Chinese are using as a rescue vessel & how expensive are they
If possible to answer
Thank you

Yes China has a new class of submarine recuse ships the Type 926 and they have built quite a few of them

however they are close to 10,000 tons and too large for PN

we need something down at 4,000 tons like the Turkish TCG Alemdar

 

[Niko Zhang]

is type 54 ap btter than regular ones or tuned down version? Your opinion?

054AP is a bit better than 054A. PN paid more than PLAN. And certainly PN has their own demand. However, the latest 054AP updated its anti ship fire power. Same missile as 054AP, but longer range.

 

[Niko Zhang]

We can develop long range Babur for that. 1500 KM Babur can and should be developed. In mean while we can keep using them with Air Defence but option should be their. Universal VLS gives us option

Then u need to know the limit of Chinese latest VLS is only 850mm wide. Can Babur fit in?

 

[Niko Zhang]

Pakistan should have not gone for Type 54 but instead a better version which still has 32 VLS but those are universal VLS. What I mean is that if mission requires those VLS carry and fire Cruise Missiles and if mission requires they carry Air Defence. That kind of ship in large numbers is what will give us real boost.

@waz @fatman17

Ah, and forgot to mention. Those universal VLS are 7m deep. Some are even 9m deep. It has to be equipped to bigger ships, which means more cost...

 

[Niko Zhang]

Getting the type 54, a modified one at that was not a easy job as the Chinese were very reluctant to share their top of the line system even with Pakistan. The type 54AP is different from the regular type 54 in the Chinese navy.

PN really don’t need a ship like 055...Plus it’s just way toooooo expensive. Just like Russia won’t sell its 22350 to India.

 

[Zarvan]

Ah, and forgot to mention. Those universal VLS are 7m deep. Some are even 9m deep. It has to be equipped to bigger ships, which means more cost...

Design could have changed of front portion of our Type 54 and those could have been adjusted if leadership shows will and vision