Pakistan Navy interested in J-11Bs

[Pfpilot]

Is it likely the P8s would come near the Pakistani coast since they would be easy targets for PAF? A large plane with little maneuverability...they will be a problem, but these type of aircraft are extremely vulnerable...even if they are escorted by mig-29s, medium range missiles could take them out before the migs get close enough to do any damage...far easier to hit a target that size in my opinion from a longer range.

 

[Tshering22]

Would it not be more sensible if Pakistani Navy can ask PAC and Chinese to actually modify JF-17 for special naval operations? I mean those jets are brand new, fly well and this is the chance to actually make your entire fighter fleet more uniform than ever and reduce costs especially with a strained economic situation. J-11s will further add to your costs. Just my opinion.

And just for a note, Russians have a far bigger deal with us to get annoyed with losing one contract knowing our no-all-eggs-in-1-basket law. But its your choice really.

 

[sahil1]

Is it likely the P8s would come near the Pakistani coast since they would be easy targets for PAF? A large plane with little maneuverability...they will be a problem, but these type of aircraft are extremely vulnerable...even if they are escorted by mig-29s, medium range missiles could take them out before the migs get close enough to do any damage...far easier to hit a target that size in my opinion from a longer range.

why would a maritime reconassance aircraft come near adversary's coast...its our mig29 and harriers job to decimate ur ports

 

[PWFI]

why would a maritime reconassance aircraft come near adversary's coast...its our mig29 and harriers job to decimate ur ports

Ur migs must survive from ur pilots first

 

[Quwa]

Firstly, the JF-17 is capable of taking on IAF/IN fighters such as MiG-29. Don't construe this for "JF-17 can kill MiG-29" but rather "MiG-29 nor Su-30 would have it easy with JF-17." There's no precedent for opposing fighters both equipped with proper BVR, ECM/EW, WVR, etc in the post-Soviet era, we've mostly had one-sided contests. In the case of Pakistan and India, things aren't that clear...and both sides will be weary of sending up their expensive equipment across the border.

Secondly, if there is interest in the J-11B-series (including J-15), then it is probably there because of the fighter's range and payload capacity. That is good for not only maritime, but also long-range strike. It'd certainly help if we have fighters sharing the same engine too (WS-10-series) We'll have to wait and see though...

 

[waq]

Those Agosta 70s are very old and can't match Indian subs.

Agosta 70s are mainly used for training so no need to match the indian subs......

 

[fatman17]

the PN does not have its own dedicated Maritime strike a/c or squadron. the PAF has deputed a Mirage squadron for this purpose.

 

[araz]

I suppose this arrangement needs to remain in place.Let the PAF boys operate and maintain these birds.Although knowing the rivalry in the services, PN would eventually want to be independent
Araz

 

[nomi007]

i think we go for mirage 200-5 of uae which they are now going to sale

 

[araz]

i think we go for mirage 200-5 of uae which they are now going to sale

They are fgantastic planes but we need France's approval to have these planes. They are being sold for 20 million a piece roughly so you are looking at 1.2 Billion which you dont have.I think personally the time for Dash 9s is gone and we should move on. the plane is obsolete, the lines are shut and spares are very expensive, and no longer sanction free. So lets go the sanction free way.
Araz

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

According to China source, Eagle Hannan also indicates that the Pakistan Navy is interested in the J-11Bs with Russian engines. This appears to be counter-intuitive given the sensitive nature of Russia's copyright relations with China. However, it is possible that Pakistan may attempt to placate this sensitivity by buying Russian engines and paying royalties. It is also possible that Russia is smarting from India's recent rejection of Russian military gear and move towards Western sources. These all make for a great deal of controversy and are likely to keep arm-chair generals and military analysts busy in the foreseeable future.What is clear is that Pakistan and the PAF will get a significant boost, in fact a major leap in capabilities in the next 12-24 months.

J-11B
bring on, baby!

oh man it looks exactly like a sukhoi -27....
just now checked a wikipedia source!!
its a reverse engineered version of SU-27 with chinese modifications without russian permission!!!!!
I dont understand wy the chinese reverse engineer platforms of other aircrafts which can be otherwise said a stealing!!!!!
This is y a JV between china n russia will not be possible until china changes its intent!!!
As for this so called J 11b its just a copycat version of russian designs with modifications!!!!
No offence mates but how do u feel wen sum1 steal ur tech n use it against u in a advanced version?

 

[DARKY]

WS-10 engines on J-11 have been disatarous resulting in many crashes............all those people who want to go for J-10, Let me tell you single engine planes have never been good naval strike fighters.
J-11 would need lots modifications in Radars, EWS, IRST, engines to become a decent Naval strike fighter................J-15 would be far better option if its really comparable to Su-33 upto certain extent.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

WS-10 engines on J-11 have been disatarous resulting in many crashes............all those people who want to go for J-10, Let me tell you single engine planes have never been good naval strike fighters.
J-11 would need lots modifications in Radars, EWS, IRST, engines to become a decent Naval strike fighter................J-15 would be far better option if its really comparable to Su-33 upto certain extent.

Really? Where are the sources for such crashes? I only know that Indians have crashed over 300 Migs fitted with Russian engines.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Really? Where are the sources for such crashes? I only know that Indians have crashed over 300 Migs fitted with Russian engines.

they even crashed HAL assembled su-30s.

 

[applesauce]

WS-10 engines on J-11 have been disatarous resulting in many crashes............all those people who want to go for J-10, Let me tell you single engine planes have never been good naval strike fighters.
J-11 would need lots modifications in Radars, EWS, IRST, engines to become a decent Naval strike fighter................J-15 would be far better option if its really comparable to Su-33 upto certain extent.

the original ws-10 had problems yes but we are not india and the problems have been solved in a timely manner and not 30 years from now and as last we knew from the pictures all new j-11B/BS(j-15 as well) have the new ws-10 engines. the j-10 was never meant for a naval strike role i dont know why people want it for that. and the j-11(BS?) is a very capable plane in terms of radar ews irst engines, not the best but capable. The j-15s are superior to the original su-33 in every single way.