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Pakistan mulls options of fifth generation fighter jet from China-Russia

Politically, EFT is same dirty mud as F-16. Sanctions from US would be followed by EU.
Can't PAF see what even a conman man can ?

Right after end of Soviet Afghan war, everybody was saying F-16s are risky and PAF turned not only deaf but blind.
Or may be commissions and kickbacks are so sweet.
 
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Pakistan air force is in a jam... it doesn't really have any good options...

Chinese 5th Gen isn't quite there yet.

Russians are just fooling everyone by have a plane that's shaped as a 5th Gen without anything backing it up under the skin...

Americans are backing away from pakistan.

Europeans are hesitant to supply pakistan with any serious military hardware and are usually off the charts prohibitively expensive

In house development is still a pipe dream for a country that doesn't really have a domestic technologically advance economy to support such a project... will have to resort to the global black market to peace together different components from different areas.


So in essence pakistan air force is pretty much stuck in the eighties for the next couple decades...

Couldn't agree more.

We are better of to concentrate on our advance missile development program like Ababeel(MIRVs) and SCLMs than thinking about Air force now since we have left ourselves far behind the game. Now we are more in a confused state mind with limited options, hampered by political and money constraints. Iran and North Korea hardly have any air force yet some of the world powers (US/Isreal) are hesitant to attack them despite of major differences and daily threats. Just because they have capable missiles in their sleeves.
 
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Mig 35 is a real dark horse in all this competition with dirt cheap price in comparison to flanker also engine commonality makes it an ideal platform for PAF IF we need another 4.5 Gen fighter

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Pakistan is already in talk of RD 93 facility so we might see slipping some squadrons of Mig 35 ,real question remains the doctrine need .

http://nation.com.pk/national/13-Nov-2015/pakistan-seeks-jet-engines-development-with-moscow
 
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Mig 35 is a real dark horse in all this competition with dirt cheap price in comparison to flanker also engine commonality makes it an ideal platform for PAF IF we need another 4.5 Gen fighter

mig_35.jpg


Pakistan is already in talk of RD 93 facility so we might see slipping some squadrons of Mig 35 ,real question remains the doctrine need .

http://nation.com.pk/national/13-Nov-2015/pakistan-seeks-jet-engines-development-with-moscow

Doctrine Need...!

It will fit perfectly in the Naval Arm of PAF.
 
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Why you are offended and abusive?
Get a job dear, your life will be better.

On Topic- you are just dreaming.

5th gen will come and PAF is aiming for 5.5 gen (possibly with energy weapons for self-defense) ACM said that, there is a reason PAF is creating Aviation City in Nawabshah, all friendly countries (Turkey, China, SA, Ukraine, possibly Russia) will be on board for building it.

It's dreamworld ... but imagine tying like $250-300 m of a Typhoon order to each of the Consortium members doing something at Kamra Aviation City, be it many man hours of teaching, consultancy, etc, or some local industry work for spare parts manufacturing work (which can extend to supporting the Project Azm FGF).

Through EFT and TFX we can have our own 5.5gen bird till 2030.

Mig 35 is a real dark horse in all this competition with dirt cheap price in comparison to flanker also engine commonality makes it an ideal platform for PAF IF we need another 4.5 Gen fighter

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Pakistan is already in talk of RD 93 facility so we might see slipping some squadrons of Mig 35 ,real question remains the doctrine need .

http://nation.com.pk/national/13-Nov-2015/pakistan-seeks-jet-engines-development-with-moscow

How much it is different from Indian upgraded Mig-29s? And is it on par or better then F-16V??
 
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How much it is different from Indian upgraded Mig-29s? And is it on par or better then F-16V??

MiG-35 has been built with improved avionics and weapons system. The 17.32 m aircraft has a wing span of 12 m and can carry up to 7000 kg of payload. It has the newly built Phazatron Zhuk active phased array radar system which can detect 30 targets at a range of 130-160 km in air and 300 km in water, and can engage with 6 targets at a time. The radar is also highly resistant to countermeasures and can detect incoming fighters at least from 50 km and outgoing fighters at least from 90 km. It can also detect a tank at 20 km. The fighter plane packs 30-mm cannon and 150 rounds of ammunition on board. It can also use air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles along with guided and unguided rockets and bombs.

For F16V we should stop dreaming V is only for major nato allies with hard cash ,Mig 29 lacks many features which MIg 35 can fullfill ,range ,payload ,weapon ,radar ,availability
Doctrine Need...!

It will fit perfectly in the Naval Arm of PAF.
Means with recent aggressor squadron I strongly believe some one ring a bell in AF top brass since JF17 provides enough confidence its time to play offense and Mig 35 in Naval role can prove devastating for enemies specially RD93 commonality plus customized avionics ,i mean price looks insanely fit for the same package 2 Billion for 2 squadron
 
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Means with recent aggressor squadron I strongly believe some one ring a bell in AF top brass since JF17 provides enough confidence its time to play offense and Mig 35 in Naval role can prove devastating for enemies specially RD93 commonality plus customized avionics ,i mean price looks insanely fit for the same package 2 Billion for 2 squadron

With Pakistan's maritime area increasing from Karachi to Gwader and the need to keep the sea lanes open; PAF needs to have at least two squadrons of specific naval arm - MiG-35 and SU-35 are jets for this type of role (duly supported by JF-17 etc.)
 
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Well according to statistical survey 90% Indians are dumb ignorant idiots. That explains ur logic very well.

That is a dumbest quote ever.
Those dumb Indians Today boast a $2,5 trillion GDP and $400 billion forex and consistent GDP growth of 7%

They cant be that Dumb

coming back to topic ............. this has been discussed so many times but as the opening threader starter suggested PAF has

2 options from China J10 now or j31 in 2030 ie ten years time.

Forget the gripens Typhoons & rafale completely out of reach financially , not a chance in hell

Russia to worried of pressure from India and they will not give soft loans

THAT LEAVES USA F16 or used F16 .. but that is a broken marriage for now

in other words THERE WILL BE nothing most likely until post 2020 even beyond
 
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Mig 35 is a real dark horse in all this competition with dirt cheap price in comparison to flanker also engine commonality makes it an ideal platform for PAF IF we need another 4.5 Gen fighter

mig_35.jpg


Pakistan is already in talk of RD 93 facility so we might see slipping some squadrons of Mig 35 ,real question remains the doctrine need .

http://nation.com.pk/national/13-Nov-2015/pakistan-seeks-jet-engines-development-with-moscow
Well, that's a plus point also it is on smaller size than Su35 ....makes sense.
 
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Mig corporation is struggling to keep production line open so Pakistan has great chance of negotiating good terms with Egypt recent or only order i believe Mig 35 offers more to PAF if we ever go to another platform rout reason we mastered pretty much all aircraft with engine to look at and with RD 93 in bulk order at least 150 + spares may be 50 more so Mig 35 can integrate more nicely
With Pakistan's maritime area increasing from Karachi to Gwader and the need to keep the sea lanes open; PAF needs to have at least two squadrons of specific naval arm - MiG-35 and SU-35 are jets for this type of role (duly supported by JF-17 etc.)
 
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MiG-35 has been built with improved avionics and weapons system. The 17.32 m aircraft has a wing span of 12 m and can carry up to 7000 kg of payload. It has the newly built Phazatron Zhuk active phased array radar system which can detect 30 targets at a range of 130-160 km in air and 300 km in water, and can engage with 6 targets at a time. The radar is also highly resistant to countermeasures and can detect incoming fighters at least from 50 km and outgoing fighters at least from 90 km. It can also detect a tank at 20 km. The fighter plane packs 30-mm cannon and 150 rounds of ammunition on board. It can also use air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles along with guided and unguided rockets and bombs.

For F16V we should stop dreaming V is only for major nato allies with hard cash ,Mig 29 lacks many features which MIg 35 can fullfill ,range ,payload ,weapon ,radar ,availability

Means with recent aggressor squadron I strongly believe some one ring a bell in AF top brass since JF17 provides enough confidence its time to play offense and Mig 35 in Naval role can prove devastating for enemies specially RD93 commonality plus customized avionics ,i mean price looks insanely fit for the same package 2 Billion for 2 squadron

I know F-16V is not possible but I asked as V is now new standard of F-16 and India may buy them, also one major issue with Mig-29/35 is production quality, Russia is not providing quality finished Mig fighters.
 
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Mig 35 is a real dark horse in all this competition with dirt cheap price in comparison to flanker also engine commonality makes it an ideal platform for PAF IF we need another 4.5 Gen fighter

mig_35.jpg


Pakistan is already in talk of RD 93 facility so we might see slipping some squadrons of Mig 35 ,real question remains the doctrine need .

http://nation.com.pk/national/13-Nov-2015/pakistan-seeks-jet-engines-development-with-moscow

Kindly tell me which other birds in 4.5 category we (PAF) have?
 
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Thank you for taking just a small dump here, now go find some place on the road to dump out the full load before you get more constipation causing news.

Negative. Pakistan is not getting anyone of those in another 30 years.
Simple reason, China and Russia itself are not masters in 5th gen jets yet.
 
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