Imran Khan
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A package deal should be sorted out if Pakistan want to go for EFT or Su-35, buying just jets will be expensive and bit harder to bargain, but if a package (all 3 services equipment) deal is made like jets, ships (used or new) LRSAMS etc. It may be good to have.
I agree but its a bitter pill we have to swallow once all GCC switching to EF .if we add bit by bit even we replace old F16 s with these jets .More plane will be cheaper down the road .Fair point, but I'd rule the SU-35 due to Indo/Russian ties. The Typhoon was evaluated by the PAF and they loved it, a few years back. It was a case of funds back then.
1) The price that EFT were offered to PAF was around 4-5 Billion for 70-90 aircraft.
2) There was also a plane to have Turkey build these aircraft and then export them over to Pakistan if PAF increased the order to that similar to Indian MMRCA.
3) EFT might be built in Pakistan in case the GCC countries increase their orders and Germany also increases to the original option.
The cost of Trench 3 is close to 100 million but it can be brought to the levels of 70 million if local assembly is developed. PAF can get 100 -140 aircraft for 7 - 10 billion and that too over a period of 5 years, which Pakistan can easily afford.
I agree but its a bitter pill we have to swallow once all GCC switching to EF .if we add bit by bit even we replace old F16 s with these jets .More plane will be cheaper down the road .
Why is this so difficult? President Obama asks Congress to give Pakistan $430 million towards purchase of F-16s. Congress says no. End of story.
Congress controls the purse strings in US, not the President.
Fair point, but I'd rule the SU-35 due to Indo/Russian ties. The Typhoon was evaluated by the PAF and they loved it, a few years back. It was a case of funds back then.
its very possible if our high command pull theior heads from hole GCC have money air cheif was in saudia we should take approach that we can procure new and used EF with theior help plus like eygpt we want some packge we can have navel ships from UK ,Italy or Germany that route we should go all china is no good either .Thanks for that, I wish that Pakistan had gone down this route instead of the whole block 52 saga, and there would be a very capable fleet by now. But again, it came down to funds then.
True. We have to take that into account that allies operate this plane e.g. Saudi.
Did congress actually vote on the matter? As I understand it's part of the US budget with deliberations still ongoing. If a vote has taken place, where's the evidence? Still yet to see an American media outlet carry such a big story.
Did congress actually vote on the matter? As I understand it's part of the US budget with deliberations still ongoing. If a vote has taken place, where's the evidence? Still yet to see an American media outlet carry such a big story.
But we paying about 70 million for these 8 jets they not cheap either .Thanks for that, I wish that Pakistan had gone down this route instead of the whole block 52 saga, and there would be a very capable fleet by now. But again, it came down to funds then.
True. We have to take that into account that allies operate this plane e.g. Saudi.
If we go European route we can have both New and used Equipment for all three services 15 billion with 10 yrs finance wont be tough for Pak u will see how BAE show middle finger to American LM for them it will be coup .If Pakistan uses her cards properly and the Government is able to relocate funds from the budget to PAF, Pakistan can get Passenger Aircraft or Trains or Cruise Ships, Cargo Ships or some other civilian technology that is required to build CPEC.
The US would like to pay for the services they are taking. US FMS might be restricted but other non military equipment can still be procured.
1) The price that EFT were offered to PAF was around 4-5 Billion for 70-90 aircraft.
2) There was also a plane to have Turkey build these aircraft and then export them over to Pakistan if PAF increased the order to that similar to Indian MMRCA.
3) EFT might be built in Pakistan in case the GCC countries increase their orders and Germany also increases to the original option.
The cost of Trench 3 is close to 100 million but it can be brought to the levels of 70 million if local assembly is developed. PAF can get 100 -140 aircraft for 7 - 10 billion and that too over a period of 5 years, which Pakistan can easily afford.
Yes this would be very practical specially if Pakistan Navy and Army join in with there requirements.
If PN is able to fund 2 Billion for the Italian Ships along with Heli's and Pakistan Army chips in with 1-2 Billion for their requirements of Heli's and Air Defence.
A total of 6 billion in year one and 2-3 billion over the next 4-5 years PAF and PN would have developed their capabilities considerably. Grand to total over the 5 yr period would be around 15 Billion.
Add 3-5 billion for the JF-17 engines and other stuff over the same period it is something that the Europeans would not like to say no.
Even the French might come in and say to the Indians look you said Pakistan is 2 billion market only it turns out to be 20 billion you have only bought the Rafales and that too in very limited numbers.
Though I kind a find it unrealistic that PAF would go for an other platform when the J-31 and TFX are at the corner.
Here is what @Beast quoted
J-31 V2 with WS-13A Chinese domestic engine and full operation mode has just taxi
PAF shall go for this bird quickly to become the first South Asia country to operate 5th gen fighter
Source: https://defence.pk/threads/will-paf-buy-any-new-fighter-plane.428747/page-2#ixzz47LG5rrBT
Photo will arrive soon as security at Shenyang premise is very tight. The plane according to reliable witness is exactly the same as model show in Zhuhai airshow.
No more smoky engine
It will be very close to production or operation model. Customer just need to made the payment and it can be yours, just like the CH-4 or CH-5 UCAV. Ready to buy
Source: https://defence.pk/threads/will-paf-buy-any-new-fighter-plane.428747/page-2#ixzz47LGLpoQ5
No... Funds were available. That time PAF was flying non upgraded F-16's, which indicated that the class cockpit layout of the EFT would be too advance for the pilots increasing their failure chances at the time of conversion.Thanks for that, I wish that Pakistan had gone down this route instead of the whole block 52 saga, and there would be a very capable fleet by now. But again, it came down to funds then.
But we paying about 70 million for these 8 jets they not cheap either .
If we go European route we can have both New and used Equipment for all three services 15 billion with 10 yrs finance wont be tough for Pak u will see how BAE show middle finger to American LM for them it will be coup .
No still it is being debated. The mid term elections took away the majority of Obama hence the opposition is trying to create hurdles. Obama is being played by his opponents by saying you win some we win some. The failures of Obama are actually being highlighted, like his repeated speech on closure of Gitmo. He is also being blamed on the power vacuum in Afghanistan and Iraq more over his expenditures on the bombing campaigns of Libya and the rise of ISIS.Did congress actually vote on the matter? As I understand it's part of the US budget with deliberations still ongoing. If a vote has taken place, where's the evidence? Still yet to see an American media outlet carry such a big story.
For God's sake PAF: Get out of your obsession with F-16. Why PAF is afraid of going for new tech? I believe PAF is lagging far behind and is incompetent.
Here is what could happen Obama would tell Congress if USA does not give the Pakistani's these aircraft then they are going to stop the land supplies to US and ISAF forces. Pakistan might also stop fighting the Pakistani Taliban and the Haqani network. This would create ISIS to start a major offensive in Afghanistan. USA would have to send boots on ground. If USA fails to do such a thing Russia with the help of China would enter with support from Central Asian Republics, Iran and Pakistan creating a much bigger problem for all US assets in the region.
So, it means that we have 430 mil left in USA.. is there any other way deal to utilize that money or they can just transfer 430 mil to GOP..
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Any thoughts on a replacement platform or are we going to wait for j31?
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