PAKISTAN MAY NEGOTIATE WITH UKRAINE FOR 100 OPLOT-M MAIN BATTLE TANKS

[Muhammad Omar]

Altay is way too heavy but you never know

i think India Pakistan has almost the same terrain if India can make Arjun MK III which is 70 Tons why can't Pakistan consider Altay which is 60-62 Tons

Altay will be seriously advance tank..
We can use Al-Khalid and Al-zarrar in Desert areas and Altay in other.. also Turkey is making a 1800 HP engine we can use it later to upgrade them

 

[nadeemkhan110]

i think India Pakistan has almost the same terrain if India can make Arjun MK III which is 70 Tons why can't Pakistan consider Altay which is 60-62 Tons

Altay will be seriously advance tank..
We can use Al-Khalid and Al-zarrar in Desert areas and Altay in other.. also Turkey is making a 1800 HP engine we can use it later to upgrade them

100% agree
Otokar entered into a system development deal with South Korean tank maker, Hyundai Rotem, whose K2 Black Panther tank project serves as the basis for the development of the Altay. Both tanks share the same base design including the chassis, although the Altay is purportedly slightly longer, equipped with heavier armor, and, in comparison to the K2 MBT also sports a modified turret with composite armor.

and K2 Black panther tank is best amoung all (Top ten modern Tanks)
one of the Source : http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/the-biggest/top-10-most-sophisticated-main-battle-tanks/

 

[Saifullah]

Al-Khalid will be Upgraded to Al-Khalid II

Al-Haider wil replace old Tanks like Type-6X

The question was "Why are we acquiring totally new platform when we already have AK Tanks in same or better class ?".
Now please let me explain.

AL Khalid and Oplot-M is of same Weight category. Both Tanks have similar Specification. Both Tanks provide Equivalent Protection. Both Tanks have Equivalent fire power. Now price of the Tanks are similar too (Oplot-M would be a little high i guess because of import).

Now this need of replacing the Type-6x is not all of sudden, why Al Khalid Tank production was not improved and replaced all of the Type-6x with it ? Why buy a completely new platform when you have equivalent or better platform with less or equivalent price which is home grown and you know it inside out ?.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

The question was "Why are we acquiring totally new platform when we already have AK Tanks in same or better class ?".
Now please let me explain.

AL Khalid and Oplot-M is of same Weight category. Both Tanks have similar Specification. Both Tanks provide Equivalent Protection. Both Tanks have Equivalent fire power. Now price of the Tanks are similar too (Oplot-M would be a little high i guess because of import).

Now this need of replacing the Type-6x is not all of sudden, why Al Khalid Tank production was not improved and replaced all of the Type-6x with it ? Why buy a completely new platform when you have equivalent or better platform with less or equivalent price which is home grown and you know it inside out ?.

Oplot will also be manufacture here in Pakistan... you can't replace all the tanks with just Al-Khalid..

100% agree
Otokar entered into a system development deal with South Korean tank maker, Hyundai Rotem, whose K2 Black Panther tank project serves as the basis for the development of the Altay. Both tanks share the same base design including the chassis, although the Altay is purportedly slightly longer, equipped with heavier armor, and, in comparison to the K2 MBT also sports a modified turret with composite armor.

and K2 Black panther tank is best amoung all (Top ten modern Tanks)
one of the Source : http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/the-biggest/top-10-most-sophisticated-main-battle-tanks/

Well depends on Army i don't they want a heavy tank like K-2 or Altay

 

[Saifullah]

Oplot will also be manufacture here in Pakistan... you can't replace all the tanks with just Al-Khalid..

I am just asking a simple question which is "Why" ? (With some clear points).

 

[Signalian]

The question was "Why are we acquiring totally new platform when we already have AK Tanks in same or better class ?".
Now please let me explain.

AL Khalid and Oplot-M is of same Weight category. Both Tanks have similar Specification. Both Tanks provide Equivalent Protection. Both Tanks have Equivalent fire power. Now price of the Tanks are similar too (Oplot-M would be a little high i guess because of import).

Now this need of replacing the Type-6x is not all of sudden, why Al Khalid Tank production was not improved and replaced all of the Type-6x with it ? Why buy a completely new platform when you have equivalent or better platform with less or equivalent price which is home grown and you know it inside out ?.

Time taken, to replace older tanks.

i think India Pakistan has almost the same terrain if India can make Arjun MK III which is 70 Tons why can't Pakistan consider Altay which is 60-62 Tons

Altay will be seriously advance tank..
We can use Al-Khalid and Al-zarrar in Desert areas and Altay in other.. also Turkey is making a 1800 HP engine we can use it later to upgrade them

Put additional armour on AK and make it 70 Ton.

 

[Adnan Adil]

Why aren't we applying the same technology in Al Khalid 2. I think we should seriously consider it. This may take some time but will be a better option

Same as Pakistan is apply AESA in 3rd generation of JF17.

I am just asking a simple question which is "Why" ? (With some clear points).

We need to replace the older one bro, like Type 69-II, Type 88, Type 63(we are using since 1963), Type 59 (using since 1959)..

 

[Mercenary]

Pakistan needs to prioritize its Artillery over Tanks. Our Artillery is woefully in adequate vs India.

While we produce our own indigenous Tanks, we really need to fix our artillery.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Time taken, to replace older tanks.



Put additional armour on AK and make it 70 Ton.

Well didn't see any plan or any Pic of army putting additional Armor on Al-Khalid

Pakistan needs to prioritize its Artillery over Tanks. Our Artillery is woefully in adequate vs India.

While we produce our own indigenous Tanks, we really need to fix our artillery.

Pakistan is testing Nora B-52 and also Danial Howitzer

 

[Signalian]

Well didn't see any plan or any Pic of army putting additional Armor on Al-Khalid

whats the obsession with a heavy western MBT?

is this a LEGO model?

We need to replace the older one bro, like Type 69-II, Type 88, Type 63(we are using since 1963), Type 59 (using since 1959)..

Type-59 was inducted by China in 1959 but saw induction in Pakistan after 1965.

Type-63 was inducted by China in 1963 but saw induction in Pakistan around 1970-71.

Pakistan needs to prioritize its Artillery over Tanks. Our Artillery is woefully in adequate vs India.

While we produce our own indigenous Tanks, we really need to fix our artillery.

The bold Part is not true, especially currently in Self propelled Artillery.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Hello all.
PA need 2500+ Tanks (minimum) to keep defensive and some sort of offensive capability , We can not match IA with TANK for TANK , Best solution is to have modern Eqm.
AK is and will be back born and we will see (hope fully) many more AK series production , But only having 2500+ AKs , not a great Idea , its not even sound that good.
For that reason AH will join AK , PA need Tanks weight around 49t to 51t MAX, In modern ATGM and other systems(IA Tanks) we can not use Lighter Tank against IA.
AH will bring the new tech (more advance armament , Advance systems) with it , and This will also help AK program in future . Both (may be) will shear same engine and some other Tch , Both will have great HP/T ratio.
AH (Oplot or VT-300) will replace all older Tanks like T6x , Type 59G , Type 85 , Only AZ will stay in-service for few more years with upgraded T-80UDs.
For Heavy Tank , PA may buy of the shelf 55T+ Tank , Max 250 just for desert area to counter IA cold or hot start ,
In very short against IA 5000+ Tanks PA will have 2500 to 2700 Tanks and PA trying to have modern 50T+ tanks with some 55T+ tanks , (AZ not against T90s and upgraded T-72s) .
AK all versions 1000
AH all versions 1000
T-80UD 320
55T+ Tank 350
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Total 2670
Just Add 500 AZ in that so Grand total will come out 3170 Tanks . Less in number (The number gape will always stay) but Advance in Tch , Armament , Protection and extremely lethal , fast.
Thank you all

 

[Muhammad Omar]

whats the obsession with a heavy western MBT?


is this a LEGO model?



Type-59 was inducted by China in 1959 but saw induction in Pakistan after 1965.

Type-63 was inducted by China in 1963 but saw induction in Pakistan around 1970-71.



The bold Part is not true, especially currently in Self propelled Artillery.

More Fire power more armor etc etc

 

[IHK_PK]

Instead of telling PA that how many tanks will be enough , it's better to tell them how to get financing for it.

 

[Aryzin]

Why would the Ukrainian or Chinse tanks replace the old type 69? Pakistan has the Al-Zarrar! Abd why purchase Oplot-M when AK2 available?

 

[Signalian]

More Fire power more armor etc etc

I think AK has all that, except probably an APS for protection.
Its weight can be increased if more armour is put on its top/front/sides/rear, which could give it extra 5-10 Tons depending how the armour is applied.

Many people fancy Leo2A6 or K-2 Black Panther or Altay or Leclerc. So AK may not be sexy like Leo2 Looks boring probably.