Pakistan Mastery over Foreign Engines for Planes

[Syed1.]

If it should not have been a problem for 200 million people, why did the 1.3 billion - with a huge economy - failed to produce a good, working "indigenous" engine?

I don't give a rats a$$ about India.... Why we have to compare ourselves to a p!ss poor third world country that cannot even provide toilets for half their population? Same way India wasn't able to produce a competent jet while Pakistan produces the Thunder.

We should have higher aims than just "being better than India"

 

[CrazyZ]

The high end centrigues are just like turbo jet engines... no doubt pakistan has the capability, they are hadh haram with no vision..

Ground based systems do not have the weight management requirements of a flying system. They can use heavier materials such as steel. Conceptually similar but the details matter for a good jet engine.

 

[maverick1977]

I said no industry support means If PAF build this factory their is a huge loss since they will not produce it at industrial level... PAF / KAMRA must involve private firms so that not only they got military products but also they can sell objects to civilian industries.

agreed! BUT.... heavy industries always start by government and are privatized except for few exceptions... In pakistans case the government should fund it as it requires massive investment. Kamra should start buying high end machines and HIT should start producing high end alloys to increase the strength of pakistan air arm.. Project AZM is the best time to do it. and then move into producing long range heavy bombers like B1.

Also high end alloys can be used to produce stealth ships, high speed rail beyond 220km/hour and a lot more...
is there a vision 2030 for heavy industrialization under PTI ?

Ground based systems do not have the weight management requirements of a flying system. They can use heavier materials such as steel. Conceptually similar but the details matter for a good jet engine.

sound like an engineer here : )

 

[Syed1.]

Ground based systems do not have the weight management requirements of a flying system. They can use heavier materials such as steel. Conceptually similar but the details matter for a good jet engine.

Intake air for ground based turbines is also at room temperature and not -40C like airborne systems so combustion is more efficient.

 

[Sanchez]

China has made great strides in Engine technology but its still decades away from the Western standards mainly because of Metallurgical issues. Western Engines still have four times the life to their nearest Russian and Chinese counterparts. The Chinese are still struggling to decipher the Metallurgical contents of the Western Engine Core.

Yes，we are still behind the US. But give me some examples as to how we have metallurgical issues. Where did you get the figures about 4 times of engine life?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am 100% in favor of acquiring WS-13E and J10C with it's power plant

Is pakistan really re manufacturers french jet engines at Kamra?or you trying to say they should

They overhaul and repair interior parts

They take every thing apart , all nuts and bolts check each piece (6,000 parts) and if any part is defective they replace it with brand new locally made part

Put it all together and then plane Engine is tested again and Re-Certified

This is 95% knowledge of new manufacturing as have all knowledge / blue prints to put engine apart and together again

A mechanical part if serviced , regains it's full life by 85-95% very close to brand new status

 

[Khanivore]

I don't give a rats a$$ about India.... Why we have to compare ourselves to a p!ss poor third world country that cannot even provide toilets for half their population? Same way India wasn't able to produce a competent jet while Pakistan produces the Thunder.

We should have higher aims than just "being better than India"

I was questioning your great logic. Relax.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Even if we wanted to make a brand new Engine , considering all the blue prints and Specs of parts are in our possession , and we already know how to take apart and connect engine again

Theoretically it is not that hard to make a Licenced Replica inside Pakistan

We have enough Metallurgist in Pakistan, even if they are not there Pakistani Government can collaborate with China to train 100-200 new scientist and import the knowledge to Pakistan for basic Engine manufacturing

 

[Syed1.]

For those non-technical folks who think jet engines are some alien technology requiring black magic and dragon fire to produce

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Yes，we are still behind the US. But give me some examples as to how we have metallurgical issues. Where did you get the figures about 4 times of engine life?

My friend i do not intend to undermine my Chinese brothers it is an established fact that the Western Engines have a good engine depot inspection interval from 4,300 to 6,000 hours. Can you enhance my knowledge by giving any figures of WS 15 Engine Service and life cycle.

 

[aziqbal]

Jet engine represents the pinnacle of modern day engineering

Unfortunately in this area we didn’t progress

Although we have the people we didn’t get the governmental support needed to back the industry up

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well it is matter of time before Turkey / Iran are fully capable in the field we can also learn from them plus China

It's just metal composition and preparation techniques and some machinery


Helicopter Enginer Overhaul and manufacturing is high on agenda

• T129
• Z-10
• Cobra
• MI-35

Knowledge attainment of these platform will further enhance our Engine Knowledge

 

[Sinnerman108]

India is but china is not... Jet engines are easy to produce whereas commercial jet engines are hard... the higher the precision lathe and milling machines, the higher the overhaul time of engines. Where as both china and india have advance metallurgical industry where they can produce high end alloys.

That is not true.
Not was your previous post accurate.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Any project needs $ an investment of 100 Million to 200 Million would kick start a research to make a Engine in Pakistan for Fighter Jet

 

[Aryeih Leib]

Or even chappa will do it

If anything, Pakistani engineers should try to design and build a mini turbofan engine for a drone or something to gain knowledge and experience.