Pakistan: Man accused of blasphemy shot dead at court trial

[shah_123]

And as we said, no one is moving on.

What is wrong is wrong and it will be opposed and we will raise our voices against it until there is enough support to change what is wrong, even if it takes another generation.

Don't worry, it takes another or one another generation, we will be ready to oppose you in any generation you show up.

 

[shah_123]

No doubts about your reading skills anymore.



Well, since you put it that way, there's no point in trying anymore. Or maybe not.

I think you are desperately wanting me to comment on your person?
yes Plz keep trying, I wish you and your types all the best ---- but remember, the end will end, and.qadiyanis will still be kafirs.

 

[TNT]

Its actually not confirmed this guy was qadyani. Could have been a mentally ill person. Police said he uttered something blasphemous and that resulted in the incident. The guy should have left it to the court to decide.
This is actually a very complex n disturbing topic and should not be discussed by everyone.

 

[Iltutmish]

This baygharat & un-Islamic act of declaring Ahmadis non-Muslims needs to be repealed, and more and more people need to speak up against this.

Religious discussions not allowed, but could you please tell me why this act was/is un-Islamic? Christians are non-Muslims too, there must be a distinction between distinct entities. Or can everybody claim to be Muslim even thoug his believes contradict BASIC (and sorry, the finalhood of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH is very basic!) Islamic teachings? If someone says Isa (as) is the son of god, can he be a Muslim too?

Again, a proper investigation, a court ordered psychological exam etc would have established what exactly was going on.

The problem is that we don't have rule of law. If 50 people "witness" that someone insulted Islam, the judge should immediately question the mental status of the accused. Suicidal much? Our law enforcement is for the cronies, rich and privileged, but this is a general problem in Pakistan and not only limited to religious minorities.

 

[shah_123]

whenever there's an issue relating to blasphemy or qadiyanis, some emotional people show up and start talking insane.

Just a reminder to qadiyanis and their sympathizers (desi liberals+ foreigners):

CONSTITUTION (SECOND AMENDMENT) ACT, 1974
President's Assent Received: 17th September 1974
Gazette of Pakistan, Extraordinary, Part I, 21st September 1974


An Act further to amend the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan

Whereas it is expedient further to amend the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for the purposes hereinafter appearing;

It is hereby enacted as follows:-

1. Short title and commencement
(1) This act may be called the Constitution (Second Amendment) Act, 1974.

(2) It shall come into force at once.

2. Amendment of Article 106 of the Constitution.
In the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan hereinafter referred to as the Constitution, in Article 106, in clause (3), after the words "communities" the words and brackets "and persons of Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves 'Ahmadis')" shall be inserted.

3. Amendment of Article 260 of the Constitution.
In the Constitution, in Article 260, after clause (2) the following new clause shall be added, namely--
(3) A person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of The Prophethood of MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), the last of the Prophets or claims to be a Prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or religious reformer, is not a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or law.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Very sad, another soul lost.


Hope the perpetrator is punished to the full extent of the law.


Hopefully, more is done to protect the Ahmadia minority, how many are left in Pakistan ? I always thought most of them live in Western countries.

 

[M. Sarmad]

The problem is that we don't have rule of law. If 50 people "witness" that someone insulted Islam, the judge should immediately question the mental status of the accused. Suicidal much? Our law enforcement is for the cronies, rich and privileged, but this is a general problem in Pakistan and not only limited to religious minorities.

@T|/|T

The problem is much deeper. Convicting someone under blasphemy laws is different from routine convictions. As pointed out by Advocate Supreme Court Khawaja Haris Ahmed, this raises a unique problem; can any Muslim ever repeat aloud any blasphemous words about the Holy Prophet, even when required by a court? If not, can any oral blasphemy be proceeded against if requisite testimony cannot be adduced from witnesses? What would then be the quantum of evidence required in such cases? Similarly, a problem would also always arise with any written words that have been subsequently erased or removed, if witnesses cannot repeat those words before a court.

For example in the notorious Salamat Masih Blasphemy case, the Lahore Session Court awarded death penalty to the accused despite the fact that the complainant stated under oath that in view of the danger to his life, he no longer wished to pursue the case, and all three prosecution witnesses, keeping in view the sanctity, refused to repeat aloud the alleged derogatory words on the wall of the mosque that they (i.e. the witnesses) claimed they had wiped out immediately. The High Court later acquitted the accused stating that the prosecution witnesses had failed to prove the case of the prosecution. But damage had been done. One of the three accused (i.e. Manzoor Masih) was killed during the trial, the other two had to flee the country after being acquitted. Their families (as well as 20 other Christian families) had already fled the village. It didn't end here. Four attempts were made on the life of defense attorney (who luckily survived) but Justice Arif Iqbal Bhatti, the senior member of the Lahore High Court bench that acquitted the accused, was later killed by unidentified activists of a religious party that had been threatening him.

That's why no lower court judge risks acquitting blasphemy accused. And as 295-C carries mandatory death penalty, lower courts have no choice but to award death sentence to the accused. The higher courts then usually overturn death sentences awarded by lower courts citing lack of incriminating evidence (and then come under fire for their judgement/acquittal of the accused)

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

whenever there's an issue relating to blasphemy or qadiyanis, some emotional people show up and start talking insane.

Just a reminder to qadiyanis and their sympathizers (desi liberals+ foreigners):

CONSTITUTION (SECOND AMENDMENT) ACT, 1974
President's Assent Received: 17th September 1974
Gazette of Pakistan, Extraordinary, Part I, 21st September 1974


An Act further to amend the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan

Whereas it is expedient further to amend the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for the purposes hereinafter appearing;

It is hereby enacted as follows:-

1. Short title and commencement
(1) This act may be called the Constitution (Second Amendment) Act, 1974.

(2) It shall come into force at once.

2. Amendment of Article 106 of the Constitution.
In the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan hereinafter referred to as the Constitution, in Article 106, in clause (3), after the words "communities" the words and brackets "and persons of Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves 'Ahmadis')" shall be inserted.

3. Amendment of Article 260 of the Constitution.
In the Constitution, in Article 260, after clause (2) the following new clause shall be added, namely--
(3) A person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of The Prophethood of MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), the last of the Prophets or claims to be a Prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or religious reformer, is not a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or law.

If there was debate and discussion on amending the constitution to include such an un-Islamic provision in 1974, then there can absolutely be debate and discussion on amending the constitution to remove such an un-Islamic provision now and in the future, until such laws and amendments repugnant to Islam are removed from the constitution.

Please remember that at one point there was a lot of opposition to reforming the laws that called for '4 male witnesses' to prove sexual assault, and there was (and is) opposition to a minimum age of marriage, but reforms occurred and will continue to occur.

 

[AbuzarIlyas]

Too much qadyanis and their apologists barking against Islam and Islami nizam in this thread. Fact was a miscreant/false prophet has been neutralised. Courts have once again failed to deliver justice. He should have already been hanged publicly for all bakwas he has committed.

Note: if someone announces himself as army chief of Pakistan and bark against gen bajwa, then he will be dealt accordingly. Our institutions and govt should make a policy to swiftly act against anyone declaring himself a nabi or mahdi etc. No mercy for these terrorists! These cowards are more rebellious than hakeemullah mehsood or magal bagh!

 

[krash]

I think you are desperately wanting me to comment on your person?

I don't think that would help you or your argument in any way. But sure, have at it.

yes Plz keep trying, I wish you and your types all the best ---- but remember, the end will end, and.qadiyanis will still be kafirs.

The kufr, or the lack thereof, of Ahmadis or anyone else, is none of my concern. My aim is to help create enough awareness in my people that one day soon the ones who peddle hatred and enable atrocities against my countrymen of whatever religion, cast, or creed, out of their own insecurities and inadequacies will have no space left to spew their venom, that their hate and bigotry will be suffocated by the coming generations and we will finally become what we were always meant to be. It is only inevitable.

whenever there's an issue relating to blasphemy or qadiyanis, some emotional people show up and start talking insane.

Just a reminder to qadiyanis and their sympathizers (desi liberals+ foreigners):

CONSTITUTION (SECOND AMENDMENT) ACT, 1974
President's Assent Received: 17th September 1974
Gazette of Pakistan, Extraordinary, Part I, 21st September 1974


An Act further to amend the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan

Whereas it is expedient further to amend the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for the purposes hereinafter appearing;

It is hereby enacted as follows:-

1. Short title and commencement
(1) This act may be called the Constitution (Second Amendment) Act, 1974.

(2) It shall come into force at once.

2. Amendment of Article 106 of the Constitution.
In the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan hereinafter referred to as the Constitution, in Article 106, in clause (3), after the words "communities" the words and brackets "and persons of Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves 'Ahmadis')" shall be inserted.

3. Amendment of Article 260 of the Constitution.
In the Constitution, in Article 260, after clause (2) the following new clause shall be added, namely--
(3) A person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of The Prophethood of MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), the last of the Prophets or claims to be a Prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him), or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or religious reformer, is not a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or law.

Notice the word "Amendment". Believe it or not, "Amendments" can be amended.

 

[HAIDER]

Mashallah great work jahil mobsters, a man was muslim , but born in Ahemdi family ... @Imran Khan @AgNoStiC MuSliM @krash
Now jahil mullah fauj will come defend this " murder".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1288401971066609664

 

[Imran Khan]

just watch social media how pakistanis celebrating death of a innocent man and making hero a killer show us what is future of pakistan .

 

[Imran Khan]

Mashallah great work jahil mobsters, a man was muslim , but born in Ahemdi family ... @Imran Khan @AgNoStiC MuSliM @krash
Now jahil mullah fauj will come defend this " murder".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1288401971066609664

forget this nation man . here anyone can kill anyone on the name of religion and millions will start posting with in few minutes as pose killer a hero . another shameful day as a nation for us .

 

[HAIDER]

No security in courtroom, people can bring weapon...

 

[Imran Khan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1288466085537370112

some reports say victim was mentally unstable also