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Pakistan Likely To Acquire Chinese Nuclear Attack Submarines: NDTV Exclusive

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    NDTV broadcast images of an advanced 'Shang' class nuclear submarine which was placed, through a satellite image, at Karachi last year. The images were first spotted by a satellite imagery expert (@rajfortyseven) who posts on Twitter.

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    A Chinese nuclear submarine docked in a Karachi harbour in May 2016 photographed on Google Earth.

    Displacing 7,000 tonnes when it operates underwater, and armed with six torpedo tubes, the Shang class submarine is part of the latest generation of nuclear attack submarines designed and commissioned by China. The submarine also has the ability to fire cruise missiles - including the Babur missile that Pakistan yesterday claimed to test-fire off its coast, a claim that has been disregarded by the Indian Navy.

    Pakistan's acquisition of a 'Shang' class submarine will have an impact on the naval balance in the Indian Ocean, which is currently skewed heavily in favour of the Indian Navy.

    India's navy is significantly larger and more capable than its regional rival.

    Unlike conventional diesel electric submarines that Pakistan has been operating for decades, a nuclear attack submarine has practically unlimited endurance. Its nuclear reactor is unlikely to require refueling during the life of the submarine, which means the 'Shang' can theoretically operate indefinitely under water. Even though realistically, it will be limited by the amount of food and supplies it can carry for its crew.

    The mechanical reliability of key systems also limits the submarine.

    The Pakistani acquisition of a 'Shang' class submarine is meant to counter the Indian Navy's 'Akula-2' class nuclear attack submarines which New Delhi has been leasing from Russia.

    Considered among the most powerful submarines of its class, the Akula-2 - named INS Chakra - has been leased for 10 years and will be returned to Russia within four years, by which time the Navy will have acquired a second submarine of the same class. The terms were recently worked out between the two countries.

    Now for the first time, details are emerging on how the Indian Navy has been able to track the movement of Chinese submarines, which first started operating in the Indian Ocean in 2013, a clear signal of how Beijing intends to expand its strategic reach to include areas of the Indian Ocean which New Delhi has typically considered its own backyard.

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    The P8-I is a US-made maritime surveillance aircraft

    The Chinese 'Shang' class submarine, which docked in Karachi, entered the Indian Ocean through the Malacca straits off Singapore between April 19 and 20. Picked up almost immediately by the Indian Navy's US-made Boeing P8-I maritime surveillance aircraft, the submarine - accompanied by a large 10,000 ton fleet support and replenishment tanker - was constantly tracked on its way to Karachi.

    The P8-Is dropped sonobuoys across the projected route of the submarine. Sonobuoys - small listening devices that transmit the sound of submarines to reconnaissance aircraft operating overhead - are key to detecting submarines.

    Interspersed with the 'passive' sonobuoys deployed by the P8-Is, were 'active' sonobuoys which ping the ocean with sound waves reflecting off the submarine surface.

    Using a combination of both sensors, the Navy's P8-Is were able to force the Chinese submarine into making evasive maneuvers.

    The exact location of the submarine was also passed on to India's own submarines, which were also monitoring the movement of the 'Shang'.

    The 'Shang' entered the Karachi harbour on May 19, its exact location constantly plotted by the Indian Navy's assets, which have determined that the sound radiated by the Shang class is higher than the considerably quieter new generation American or Russian submarines, which are tougher to detect.

    The 'Shang' and its support ship spent seven days in Karachi, leaving on May 26. It was during this period that Pakistani Navy sailors and officers were allowed access to one of the Chinese Navy's most sensitive assets.

    It's still unclear if the 'Shang' returned to Karachi to take on board the Pakistani Naval personnel or whether they were transferred to another vessel as the submarine proceeded south along the Indian peninsula before setting course for the Malacca straits.

    On June 14, the 'Shang' submarine exited the Indian Ocean region.

    Senior Navy officers have pointed out that the deployment of Chinese Navy submarines in the Indian Ocean coincides with active efforts to establish a ring of ports to strategically encircle India.

    On Sunday, the Maldives leased China an island for 50 years at just 3 million dollars.

    Earlier, China had also invested heavily in the Ihaven atoll in the Maldives chain, which lies just south of the southernmost Indian island in the Arabian Sea, the Minicoy Islands.

    Located on a key East-West shipping route, Ihaven could give the Chinese the possibility of berthing naval ships and submarines very close to the Indian mainland.

    As significantly, China has secured an 80% share of the Hambantota deep sea port in Sri Lanka as well as land for a new industrial zone in the area. According to the plan, land in this area will be ceded to Beijing for the next 99 years in exchange for $1.1 billion towards debt relief.

    Pakistan and China, meanwhile, continue to work closely on developing the strategically located Gwadar port, central to the $46 billion China-Pacific Economic Corridor (CPEC) that is under development. China also continues to expand its naval base in Djibouti situated in the Horn of Africa.

    In August last year, Pakistan State Radio announced a deal to acquire eight Chinese conventional diesel-electric powered submarines and Bangladesh has just received two submarines for the first time from China.



    http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/paki...lear-attack-submarines-ndtv-exclusive-1647370
     
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    A port visit is not enough proof that Pakistan is going to operate them.

    Entire report is quoting zero sources or experts including anonymous ones.
     
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    6- 098(SSK)
    2- Shang(SSN)

    Total: 8

    Then stop crying. :cry:
     
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    This is what we are getting

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    NEW DELHI: A Chinese Navy nuclear-powered attack submarine which docked at the Karachi harbour in May took aboard Pakistani naval officers and sailors to give them a first-hand glimpse of how the submarine works. This was not a simple case of access being given to a close military ally.

    The Indian Navy is convinced that it is a matter of time before Islamabad leases a Chinese nuclear submarine. The Pakistan Navy personnel who were on the submarine may be part of their first team to train on Chinese nuclear submarines, it is believed.

    On Friday, NDTV broadcast images of an advanced 'Shang' class nuclear submarine which was placed, through a satellite image, at Karachi last year. The images were first spotted by a satellite imagery expert (@rajfortyseven) who posts on Twitter.
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    Displacing 7,000 tonnes when it operates underwater, and armed with six torpedo tubes, the Shang class submarine is part of the latest generation of nuclear attack submarines designed and commissioned by China. The submarine also has the ability to fire cruise missiles - including the Babur missile that Pakistan yesterday claimed to test-fire off its coast, a claim that has been disregarded by the Indian Navy.

    Pakistan's acquisition of a 'Shang' class submarine will have an impact on the naval balance in the Indian Ocean, which is currently skewed heavily in favour of the Indian Navy.


    India's navy is significantly larger and more capable than its regional rival.

    Unlike conventional diesel electric submarines that Pakistan has been operating for decades, a nuclear attack submarine has practically unlimited endurance. Its nuclear reactor is unlikely to require refueling during the life of the submarine, which means the 'Shang' can theoretically operate indefinitely under water. Even though realistically, it will be limited by the amount of food and supplies it can carry for its crew.

    The mechanical reliability of key systems also limits the submarine.
    The Pakistani acquisition of a 'Shang' class submarine is meant to counter the Indian Navy's 'Akula-2' class nuclear attack submarines which New Delhi has been leasing from Russia.

    Considered among the most powerful submarines of its class, the Akula-2 - named INS Chakra - has been leased for 10 years and will be returned to Russia within four years, by which time the Navy will have acquired a second submarine of the same class. The terms were recently worked out between the two countries.

    Now for the first time, details are emerging on how the Indian Navy has been able to track the movement of Chinese submarines, which first started operating in the Indian Ocean in 2013, a clear signal of how Beijing intends to expand its strategic reach to include areas of the Indian Ocean which New Delhi has typically considered its own backyard.
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    The Chinese 'Shang' class submarine, which docked in Karachi, entered the Indian Ocean through the Malacca straits off Singapore between April 19 and 20. Picked up almost immediately by the Indian Navy's US-made Boeing P8-I maritime surveillance aircraft, the submarine - accompanied by a large 10,000 ton fleet support and replenishment tanker - was constantly tracked on its way to Karachi.

    The P8-Is dropped sonobuoys across the projected route of the submarine. Sonobuoys - small listening devices that transmit the sound of submarines to reconnaissance aircraft operating overhead - are key to detecting submarines.

    Interspersed with the 'passive' sonobuoys deployed by the P8-Is, were 'active' sonobuoys which ping the ocean with sound waves reflecting off the submarine surface.


    Using a combination of both sensors, the Navy's P8-Is were able to force the Chinese submarine into making evasive maneuvers.

    The exact location of the submarine was also passed on to India's own submarines, which were also monitoring the movement of the 'Shang'.
    The 'Shang' entered the Karachi harbour on May 19, its exact location constantly plotted by the Indian Navy's assets, which have determined that the sound radiated by the Shang class is higher than the considerably quieter new generation American or Russian submarines, which are tougher to detect.

    The 'Shang' and its support ship spent seven days in Karachi, leaving on May 26. It was during this period that Pakistani Navy sailors and officers were allowed access to one of the Chinese Navy's most sensitive assets.

    It's still unclear if the 'Shang' returned to Karachi to disembark the Pakistani Naval personnel or whether they were transferred to another vessel as the submarine proceeded south along the Indian peninsula before setting course for the Malacca straits.

    On June 14, the 'Shang' submarine exited the Indian Ocean region.

    Senior Navy officers have pointed out that the deployment of Chinese Navy submarines in
    the Indian Ocean coincides with active efforts to establish a ring of ports to strategically encircle India.

    On Sunday, the Maldives leased China an island for 50 years at just 3 million dollars.

    Earlier, China had also invested heavily in the Ihaven atoll in the Maldives chain, which lies just south of the southernmost Indian island in the Arabian Sea, the Minicoy Islands.

    Located on a key East-West shipping route, Ihaven could give the Chinese the possibility of berthing naval ships and submarines very close to the Indian mainland.

    As significantly, China has secured an 80% share of the Hambantota deep sea port in Sri Lanka as well as land for a new industrial zone in the area. According to the plan, land in this area will be ceded to Beijing for the next 99 years in exchange for $1.1 billion towards debt relief.

    Pakistan and China, meanwhile, continue to work closely on developing the strategically located Gwadar port, central to the $46 billion China-Pacific Economic Corridor (CPEC) that is under development. China also continues to expand its naval base in Djibouti situated in the Horn of Africa.

    In August last year, Pakistan State Radio announced a deal to acquire eight Chinese conventional diesel-electric powered submarines and Bangladesh has just received two submarines for the first time from China.

    http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/paki...tv-exclusive-1647370?pfrom=home-lateststories
     
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    Pak navy is spending 5 billion dollars on 8 diesel submarines. I.e. S20

    Then in the Air Force section we have the purchase of fifty j31 fighters from china for billions dollars.

    Now because a chinease sub visits Karachi it's been purchased by Pakistan.


    Let's just chillax Pakistan is currently struggling to buy eight f16/52 for eight hundred million dollars.


    In nut she'll I do not believe Pakistan has the financial means to buy or operate this type of hardware .

    To copy or match Indian military with nuke subs massive modern Air Force you need a Indian type of military budget . You just can't manage this on nine billion dollars

    Until that changes its more desire to have rather we have signed on the dotted line
     
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    Oh we are way to chillax its your indian friends who are loosing their sleep and their head from what's happening or not happening in Pakistan. Second, you do not know nor can predict what Pakistan can afford or not and mind you Pakistan never was struggling to buy the 8 f-16's it wanted a price which the US should have honored for all the sacrifice it has done for the US you wouldn't understand these type of politics I suppose so just leave it. We are never nor ever want to copy your mighty india nor it is our intension our intension is simply have some sort of balance to stay alive and keep the children of tomorrow safe so help us GOD.
     
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    Dont worry we are Pakistan!

    We can work miracles sometimes especially when our defence is concerned
     
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    Indians already crying like little girls over SLCM launch

    they are claiming the footage was faked

    They also claimed similar for the land version and air launched version was fake !!

    Wait till we get SSN and SSBN
     
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    SO much for BIG BUDGET ARMY when you can't even Feed your Soldiers LOL :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


    ‘We often sleep empty stomach’: BSF jawan’s video exposes the mess caused by corruption :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

    http://indianexpress.com/article/op...-video-exposes-the-mess-caused-by-corruption/
     
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    Well, lastly same Chinese Sub presence was expressed as spying on IN then they reached to conclusions that Pakistan is buying this. The time came that sent a message through Babur-III test launch as many so-called experts called it what not though as per their ability but still, the test was successful.

    Interestingly, IN Intel got the pics through Google, even noted the sound reading and are continuously tracking the Sub, proved it more noisy and put all that information on public Domain to alarm the adversary so one must think, what about all those French Indian Subcontinent leaks. Shang class has really proven it's mettle even by a friendly visit.

    However, speaking of Pakistan buying Subs from China, I think couple of number among those 8 subs are undisclosed type. :D.. enough for a while I think and a reason to speculate for so-called experts.
     
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    here are leaks news, doc data is available on wikileaks
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37171856
     
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    Short story as not to derail the thread, Documents were actually shared by The Australian newspaper in sensored manner. that received the same through a source however, during investigation it was pointed out that a contractor/ex-employee did it and posted the same in server in Singapore then only them knows who downloaded/had hand on them documents though raised a lot of questions regarding safety of such sensitive data.
     
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