Pakistan/khalistan zindabad at Cricket World cup

[Pakhtoon yum]

It sounds hypocritical to ask India to give up her parts for Khalistan only to deny Pakistani parts because they are integral to it. What's good for the goose should also be good for the gander too.

If Khalistan has such a broad support(as many members here allude to) you can't really cherry pick it, comes off as a scheme to disintegrate India.

Like I said if they want an Islamic republic of Khalistan which eventually would succeed to Pakistan. Then go right ahead

How many Indian Sikhs have migrated to Pakistan in the last 7 decades. I have read about Hindus from Sindh migrating to India every year


Apart from Chinese and Afghans, I don't see anyone migrating to Pakistan including Caucasian ones in the present circumstances. People migrate to western countries for better life style, education facilities In the last 70 years I haven't come across any Sikh,Hindu or Christain migrating to Pakistan.

Pakistan has a Turkish and east European population soo....

 

[paritosh]

Have people not noticed 100s of sikhs wearing Indian jerseys during matches? Why do we even map political affiliations with religion? Sikhs can and should support the nation that feeds them whether it's india, pakistan or canada. We south asians need to grow up, lecturing on patriotism while we dream of getting PRs of first world nations

If Mirza jatt is your real name

That is a classic move, your defence mechanism kicks-in because a non-hindu does not toe the line you expect him to. Someone called "Brass Knuckles" should know that the probability of people using their real names on tense online forums is very low.

 

[B.K.N]

That is a classic move

I asked because he is a Sikh and his screen name is of a Muslim lover

 

[SIPRA]

If Khalistan has such a broad support(as many members here allude to) you can't really cherry pick it, comes off as a scheme to disintegrate India.

In my view, Khalistan as an ideal or a fantasy has its deep place and roots in the hearts and psyche of most of the Sikhs, particularly the educated ones; but, equally, most of the Sikhs, particularly those living in India, don't consider it a pragmatic, realistic, achievable and viable concept. So, it is only a small minority of Sikhs, which is pursuing this idea politically or otherwise. Most are, by and large, content with the existing political arrangements, within the Constitution of India. The support for the idea is far more in expats Sikhs, than those living in India.

Had Khalistan been a viable and achievable option; Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale would have demanded it. He never did it. His whole movement was to gain certain degree of autonomy for Punjab, based upon "Anandpur Sahib Resolution".

 

[Krptonite]

Like I said if they want an Islamic republic of Khalistan which eventually would succeed to Pakistan. Then go right ahead


Pakistan has a Turkish and east European population soo....

Why would a Sikh majority province decide to become an Islamic republic and then wish to merge with Pakistan, if you could please provide some insight I would be most appreciative.

 

[paritosh]

You don't really get it do you? Lahore is Pakistan, regardless of you or your uncle Tom's opinions. Now if Sikhs wish to continue serving brahministan, that's their call. If they wish to rebel against brahministan and have some kind of independent khalistan carved out of India, with a schengen type visa arrangement with Pakistan to allow free access to Lahore, no problem, ISI will make it happen. Or they can be like a semi autonomous republic of Pakistan. Plenty of options and models that can be discussed. Otoh if the Sikhs wish to simply remain stateless and under the thumb of gangas, we can't really help them. Hope that all makes sense.

Sir, the thing that separates abrahmic religions such as what you follow (I am assuming that you are a practising muslim here) from dharmic religions, such as the one Sikhs follow is that dharmic religions do not put religion in front of the nations they live and die in. In fact they are no contradictions between the two aspects. As a result, Sikhs do not find it difficult to serve any nation where they live. They don't serve brahministan, they serve india in the same way as Canadian sikhs serve Canada and Italian Sikhs serve Italy.

I asked because he is a Sikh and his screen name is of a Muslim lover

sir, I am no expert, but I think your mixing culture with religion. He is Sikh, Sikhs originated in Punjab, which was a melting pot of multiple religions, which led to a similar cultural background. That is why you would find the names of Sufi and hindu saints in Sikhi artefacts.

 

[Krptonite]

In my view, Khalistan as an ideal or a fantasy has its deep place and roots in the heats and psyche of most of the Sikhs, particularly the educated ones; but, equally, most of the Sikhs, particularly those living in India, don't consider it a pragmatic, realistic, achievable and viable concept. So, it is only a small minority of Sikhs, which is pursuing this idea politically or otherwise. Most are, by and large, content with the existing political arrangements, within the Constitution of India. The support for the idea is far more in expats Sikhs, than those living in India.

Had Khalistan been a viable and achievable option; Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale would have demanded it. He never did it. His whole movement was to gain certain degree of autonomy for Punjab, based upon "Anandpur Sahib Resolution".

Aptly put, many posters here use it to rile up the Indian side as a counter to independent Balochistan spewed by the Indian side.

 

[paritosh]

In my view, Khalistan as an ideal or a fantasy has its deep place and roots in the heats and psyche of most of the Sikhs, particularly the educated ones; but, equally, most of the Sikhs, particularly those living in India, don't consider it a pragmatic, realistic, achievable and viable concept. So, it is only a small minority of Sikhs, which is pursuing this idea politically or otherwise. Most are, by and large, content with the existing political arrangements, within the Constitution of India. The support for the idea is far more in expats Sikhs, than those living in India.

Had Khalistan been a viable and achievable option; Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale would have demanded it. He never did it. His whole movement was to gain certain degree of autonomy for Punjab, based upon "Anandpur Sahib Resolution".

Sir, that is an astute observation. Fact is that, India and Pakistan have secessionist movement, India has more because of the mere fact that we are more diverse.
With diversity, the probability of finding conservative extremists wanting uniformity and conformity will be high. It's just a matter of ignoring that minority and continuing to better the lives of the majority (which accepts/tolerates diversity) following utilitarian governance principles. Rest all is shor sharaba.

 

[B.K.N]

but I think your mixing culture with religion.

Someone from Ludhiana didn't have any links with people living hundreds of kilometers away from Indian border in Pakistan

 

[SIPRA]

If Mirza jatt is your real name

He @Mirza Jatt has adopted it as an ID, because he wanted that:

"Sunjiyaan ho jaan galliyaan, tay wich Mirza yaar phiray"

 

[B.K.N]

He has adopted it as an ID, because he wanted that:

"Sunjiyaan ho jaan galliyaan, tay wich Mirza yaar phiray"

He chosed this name after reading love story Mirza sahiban

 

[Mirza Jatt]

And you are talking to a SIKH sardar you clown.

And if you always reminded where you are, then you should be prepared to accept that we CHOSE to be NOT YOU. So don't beg us to accept what we don't accept.

Also you can keep your islamic Republic.. We have no issues... But don't try to eat more than you swallow by trying to pretend that you support Khalistan, cuz if you do, then do it wholeheartedly and be prepared to accept Lahore as our capital.

But they live there right? And also you are not a Muslim nor a Muslim scholar to throw around words like halal and haram. You see to just be spewing hatred abs ignorance.


Actually were are all pretty interconnected now. Balochis have a good relationship with sindhis and pakhtoons. Pakhtoons have a good relations with baltis, balochis and Pakistani punjabis. While the punjabis have a good relationship with the kashmiris, pakhtoons and sindhis. It's like a net.


Khalistan would be an Islamic republic either way. You seem to living in your Bollywood word.


Muffin you are talking to a Pakhtoon


It's the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, now and the people that make it up were always there so it was created in Pakistan


That would be an Islamic Republic then. So either way it's an Islamic Republic. Unless you only take Indian punjab then it would be a hindu republic.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Neither we forget 1984 nor do we forget our history of musalmaan killing our people in hudreds... Our history is filled with blood just because you musalmaan tried to kill the sikhs just because we refused to convert.. FYI.. Mughals failed to convert Sikhs and Sikhs gladly sacrificed their lives smiling. That's what we Sikhs are made of. As far as being fodder is concerned, I see Sikhs being killed in sindh every other day.. And then they have to migrate to India. So for me 1984 does not make Pakistan a better country. India is not a Hindu land... It's my sikh land as well as musalmaan land.. My ancestors land can't be taken away from me by some Hindu... If anyone tries... His head will be chopped off... whether it's a Hindu or a Musalmaan.

You self hating tool, only good for being cannon fodder of Hindus. You can enjoy being a vassal of Modi's India, no better than "proud Indian musulmans". Carry on mate. Pakistan ain't for you. Remember which country treats you as a "sect of Hinduism" and which allows you to preserve your true identity. Remember how Musharraf and others put ordinances and laws in place to protect your religious edicts, before India jumped on the bandwagon. Nobody's giving you Lahore. So stay in Amritsar, forget 1984, and support Gangadesh. Nothing new to see here.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

No Mirza is a Muslim name... It's a character from our (Punjab Or you may chose to call it Khalistan) folk story of Mirza Sahiba.its a cultural thing So what's the matter with the name?

If Mirza jatt is your real name

 

[Galaxy D]

Neither we forget 1984 nor do we forget our history of musalmaan killing our people in hudreds... Our history is filled with blood just because you musalmaan tried to kill the sikhs just because we refused to convert.. FYI.. Mughals failed to convert Sikhs and Sikhs gladly sacrificed their lives smiling. That's what we Sikhs are made of. As far as being fodder is concerned, I see Sikhs being killed in sindh every other day.. And then they have to migrate to India. So for me 1984 does not make Pakistan a better country. India is not a Hindu land... It's my sikh land as well as musalmaan land.. My ancestors land can't be taken away from me by some Hindu... If anyone tries... His head will be chopped off... whether it's a Hindu or a Musalmaan.

Before dreaming of chopping heads of Hindus, remember that as per the Indian constitution Sikhs are Hindus too.

Don't like it ? go change the constitution.