Pakistan is ready for dialogue with India without preconditions - Nawaz

[Jacob Martin]

I don't need to point you anywhere since this thread is already a proof. The credit of this statement of NS has already been given to Doval for no apparent logical reason.



Well that is not what I witnessed. This is what biased, brainwashed and bogus understanding of every other Indian about Pakistan.



Well that is a very lame and very weak. And even if you guys really think like that Doval has apparently failed in that too. But anyways fanboys here want to give credit to Doval for every other thing for no reason. Sounds too silly to us Pakistanis.


Typical. Typical Indian attitude. Thinking Pakistan is all evil while your country is all saint. One reason we will never have good relations with your country is because of this exact delusions and ignorance.



Well that might be already happening in your dreams. But not on reality where main separatist leaders are talking of moving away from the pipe dream of "independent Baluchistan".

Brahamdagh Bugti willing to negotiate with govt: BBC - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Javed Mengal ready to surrender to authorities in Balochistan

Khan of Kalat links return to ‘right environment’ - thenews.com.pk

We Pakistanis however not surprised that these separatists have started to talk about leaving "independent Baluchistan". We always knew it was a movement bound to fail. What we want is that we do made financiers and supporters of this terrorist movement to pay a price with their blood whoever they are.

Keep dreaming. Balochistan is on the boil and it will remain so. Declaring pre-emptive victory is an old Pakistani habit. And that is why you people never really succeed at anything in life - you think that wishful thinking can substitute for reality. As for who has what mindset, your profile pic is proof enough. Pakistanis are India-hating and India-obsessed at the same time, whereas the few Indian members on PDF and defeated Congress leaders are the only Indians willing to talk to Pakistanis.

The news of the day is that Sharif has begged for unconditional talks, doesn't that explain everything?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

A few idiots might have said that but they are a tiny minority. India isn't some rogue state.


I don't buy it for a second- Nawaz doesn't handle foreign polciy, that is the PA's self-stated remit and do any of us really think these generals are about to kill their golden goose (hatred of India) that has been the foundation of their looting of their own nation? Come on.

The noose hasn't even begun to be tightened by the PMO/NSA/MEA/GoI just yet, a few more years and the tables will have turned in India's favour when the international community is on India's side wholeheartedly.

You know that's where we really have leverage. These generals and 'agency' are the mischief making jokers who mess up everything. Insisting on talking only to the elected reps and keeping protocol strict is one way in which to keep the discussions on a productive track. The generals can keep yapping in the background but they really are not our stakeholders and we should not treat them as such. They're not our business, they're for Nawaz to handle.

 

[Jacob Martin]

The credit of this statement of NS has already been given to Doval for no apparent logical reason

What does that have to do with your claiming that Doval's job as NSA was to engineer attacks in Pakistan? And in any case which world do you live in man? Three civil wars still going on and you are being triumphalist about what exactly? Do you Pakistanis set such a low threshold that civil war in your largest state and only commercial capital and largest city makes you feel great about your achievements?

 

[deckingraj]

You know that's where we really have leverage. These generals and 'agency' are the mischief making jokers who mess up everything. Insisting on talking only to the elected reps and keeping protocol strict is one way in which to keep the discussions on a productive track. The generals can keep yapping in the background but they really are not our stakeholders and we should not treat them as such. They're not our business, they're for Nawaz to handle.

Well everything has pros and cons....because we don't talk to real people we always end up creating a Euphoria which die a sudden and painful death...I agree protocol needs to be respected but bringing consistency in our approach to Pakistan is very important...I hate to say this however talking to Pakistan is not producing any results...so we should keep the channel open but should not spend any capital on using it....what say??

What does that have to do with your claiming that Doval's job as NSA was to engineer attacks in Pakistan? And in any case which world do you live in man? Three civil wars still going on and you are being triumphalist about what exactly? Do you Pakistanis set such a low threshold that civil war in your largest state and only commercial capital and largest city makes you feel great about your achievements?

Leave it man....here it seems people attribute success only with number of terrorist attacks...by that logic India has defeated terrorism for good .....Real success would be calmness even after PA is done with the operation....but then what can one say...their country their ways....

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Well everything has pros and cons....because we don't talk to real people we always end up creating a Euphoria which die a sudden and painful death...I agree protocol needs to be respected but bringing consistency in our approach to Pakistan is very important...I hate to say this however talking to Pakistan is not producing any results...so we should keep the channel open but should not spend any capital on using it....what say??

I think with Nawaz the possibility of results might be higher. You can 'feel' when a seasoned hand is at play. Man has a complex job and has navigated it even sacrificing his ego. This is the kind of attitude that will allow more options to be explored and discussed. We should also not do something that'll make him look bad.
A general would have wasted all our time trying to show what a big shot he is and so on. With a long political hand like Nazwaz, a more diverse set of discussions may be attempted (though possibility of results are still uncertain)

 

[Jacob Martin]

Well everything has pros and cons....because we don't talk to real people we always end up creating a Euphoria which die a sudden and painful death...I agree protocol needs to be respected but bringing consistency in our approach to Pakistan is very important...I hate to say this however talking to Pakistan is not producing any results...so we should keep the channel open but should not spend any capital on using it....what say??

The thing is - as a nation we are much larger and with much greater engagement with the world. There are a few hiccups now and then - a couple of disputes with China, one with the ruling party in Nepal, differences with US on some trade and environment issues. Barring that, the world at large has dealt with India for long enough to know that we are fair-minded and trustworthy diplomatic partners.

We just need to continue with our current even-handed engagement with the rest of the world. Even if we make no attempt to resume dialogue with Pakistan, no country is going to hold that against us.

 

[deckingraj]

I think with Nawaz the possibility of results might be higher. You can 'feel' when a seasoned hand is at play. Man has a complex job and has navigated it even sacrificing his ego. This is the kind of attitude that will allow more options to be explored and discussed. We should also not do something that'll make him look bad.
A general would have wasted all our time trying to show what a big shot he is and so on. With a long political hand like Nazwaz, a more diverse set of discussions may be attempted (though possibility of results are still uncertain)

That is what my main point is....If history is to be seen the only time something concrete was done that has been done during Mush era....Vajpayee started it and MMS carried it on...there are rumors that we were close to a deal....Nawaz role during Kargil is very dubious as well...on top of that apart from losing something viz-a-viz kashmir i am not sure how a settlement in beneficial for us especially at this stage...

The thing is - as a nation we are much larger and with much greater engagement with the world. There are a few hiccups now and then - a couple of disputes with China, one with the ruling party in Nepal, differences with US on some trade and environment issues. Barring that, the world at large has dealt with India for long enough to know that we are fair-minded and trustworthy diplomatic partners.

We just need to continue with our current even-handed engagement with the rest of the world. Even if we make no attempt to resume dialogue with Pakistan, no country is going to hold that against us.

Forget about what other country thinks...such things can be handled and at the end everyone looks for their own interests....World politics is not like PDF fanboys who talk about Muslim brotherhood, big heart and what not.......my point is that i actually see no benefit for India with resumption of dialogues....Nawaz can't bring anything on table and apart from loosing our political capital nothing else can be achieved....

 

[Areesh]

Keep dreaming. Balochistan is on the boil and it will remain so.

It is your dream boy. To support terror inside Baluchistan and to keep it on boil. in fact it is a dream of a lot of bharati bacha party nowadays. We Pakistanis with utmost pleasure would ruin your dreams about Baluchistan. The process has already started.

Declaring pre-emptive victory is an old Pakistani habit.

And why not. We can see investment by our enemies going to a waste.

And that is why you people never really succeed at anything in life - you think that wishful thinking can substitute for reality.

Well that is a brainwashed and biogted bharati saying. Not factual. Not sane comment in any manner.

As for who has what mindset, your profile pic is proof enough. Pakistanis are India-hating and India-obsessed at the same time, whereas the few Indian members on PDF and defeated Congress leaders are the only Indians willing to talk to Pakistanis.

We hate you. Yes. But obsessed? Not really. It is your problem. You are obsessed with Pakistan. That is why you are on a Pakistani forum right now. And not much people from Pakistan is really interested in talking to a billion plus warmongers. NS is just playing with you guys. He would spend 5 playing with you in the same manner.

The news of the day is that Sharif has begged for unconditional talks, doesn't that explain everything?

You can say NS begged and feel good about it. The fact is he playing with you. It would be first a candy like UFA. And then back to the business like always. This is Nawaz's policy towards India in this tenure of rule. He would do this for full 5 years.

 

[Jacob Martin]

bharati bacha party

Like young boys do you? Read a lot about what goes on in Pakistan....

That is why you are on a Pakistani forum right now

I am not the one crying over no Indo-Pak cricket series like Pakistani members are, am I?

You can say NS begged and feel good about it. The fact is he playing with you. I

Played with us -yeah right. You know what your country is like? The guy you study with who only pulls pranks in class and fails every exam. Years later, you sometimes meet that guy at reunions and marriages. Everyone avoids that guy and he still things that he is funny and witty and the center of attention. He does realize that world has moved on and he is a failure, but can never admit it openly.

 

[farhan_9909]

and what will we get from dialogue?We should not waste neither our time nor indian with these useless dialogues.

 

[MilSpec]

There is no need for talks.

 

[Rank]

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[Guynextdoor2]

and what will we get from dialogue?We should not waste neither our time nor indian with these useless dialogues.

Ok, no probs, let's call it off then.

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Raheel Sharif will be removed from all discussions. NS can wheel back to him but he is a non-entity to us.

 

[Dushmann]

Pakistan is just trying to buy time till its condition improve and it can start anti-India activities/ terrorism again.
If any talks has to be there, it should be about how to dismantle terrorist infrastructure and return occupied territories back to India.

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan is just trying to buy time till its condition improve and it can start anti-India activities/ terrorism again.
If any talks has to be there, it should be about how to dismantle terrorist infrastructure and return occupied territories back to India.

Indeed.Nawaz sharif is well aware of the fact that talks will not happen but still he mention it every now and than to show the international community that we want dialogue process with india but they don't.

Indians on the other hand are in the delusion that they have somehow become super powerful and Pakistan will not do anything foolish to challenge them in any event again let say something like Kargil or maybe a limited war but the reality is that they Pakistan is busy in its internal mess as soon as we get out of it which if the trend continue like so we will be inshAllah in the next 2 years.

We will restart everything from the beginning.Before someone quote me to mention that india has this super shit growth and weapons now,let me tell you that we care the least about retaliation from India.

Whether you call it bad luck of india or whatever but indians surely we regret having an enemy like Pakistan.Because the war b/w Pakistan and india is not limited to kashmir anymore.