Pakistan in rare move announces family of rebel released

[Joe Shearer]

Sir you are highly educated and learned person and pls don't try to just shut me up with lame tongue and cheek type arguments, even Indian retire officers call it fake (by the way it is off topic what you have posted)

I merely pointed out, Sir, the fallacy in your argument. I do not see what you find tongue in cheek about it, considering that you have just been selective in picking from his effusions.

Should I post amnesty international' report on Kashmir human rights violations for you?

No, Sir, you should not. You should answer my question and my challenge. No whataboutery, please.

 

[Maarkhoor]

I merely pointed out, Sir, the fallacy in your argument. I do not see what you find tongue in cheek about it, considering that you have just been selective in picking from his effusions.



No, Sir, you should not. You should answer my question and my challenge. No whataboutery, please.

There are thousands of cases in Kashmir which one you like to be posted for you? Kindly name it..

 

[Joe Shearer]

There are thousands of cases in Kashmir which one you like to be posted for you? Kindly name it..

Please read my question; it is, Sir, precise and clear, and needs no further elaboration. Name one such case, not thousands.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Please read my question; it is, Sir, precise and clear, and needs no further elaboration. Name one such case, not thousands.

You need to read amnesty report..once more...
There are thousands of cases google it...and learn Sir.
Regards,

 

[Joe Shearer]

You need to read amnesty report..once more...
There are thousands of cases google it...and learn Sir.
Regards,

Please, Sir, I am quite well aware of that and other reports. Would you answer for yourself and that callous and utterly unfounded, disrespectful remark of your own? Let us leave Amnesty alone; please explain why you drew that analogy.

Sincerely,
'Joe'

 

[Maarkhoor]

Please, Sir, I am quite well aware of that and other reports. Would you answer for yourself and that callous and utterly unfounded, disrespectful remark of your own? Let us leave Amnesty alone; please explain why you drew that analogy.

Sincerely,
'Joe'

Because I see and could feel the pain of an ordinary Kashmiri who are struggling against British, Dogra and now India but they are subject to inhuman treatment just because British left it unsolved because Mr. Nehru have some personal relation with Mountbatten couple.
When every other Indian got the right to choose Pakistan or India why not Kashmiris?

Regards,
Mian Ahmed.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Because I see and could feel the pain of an ordinary Kashmiri who are struggling against British, Dogra and now India but they are subject to inhuman treatment just because British left it unsolved because Mr. Nehru have some personal relation with Mountbatten couple.
When every other Indian got the right to choose Pakistan or India why not Kashmiris?

Regards,
Mian Ahmed.

Sir,

You made a remark that should not have been made; it had nothing to do with the pain of an ordinary kashmiri, it had nothing to do with the British in its development on specific lines, and it is again unworthy of you to claim that there was some connection between that and the personal relations of Nehru and the Mountbattens.

You are also wrong in claiming that every other Indian got the right to choose Pakistan or India. That is so badly mistaken that it is quite astonishing to encounter it.

I can refute each of these in detail, but shall confine myself to the original question, to which, with respect, you obviously have no answer.

Sincerely,

'Joe'

 

[Maarkhoor]

Sir,

You made a remark that should not have been made; it had nothing to do with the pain of an ordinary kashmiri, it had nothing to do with the British in its development on specific lines, and it is again unworthy of you to claim that there was some connection between that and the personal relations of Nehru and the Mountbattens.

You are also wrong in claiming that every other Indian got the right to choose Pakistan or India. That is so badly mistaken that it is quite astonishing to encounter it.

I can refute each of these in detail, but shall confine myself to the original question, to which, with respect, you obviously have no answer.

Sincerely,

'Joe'

Sir, Your question already answered but you choose to ignore it, when I said every Indian means Muslims and Hindus perhaps mostly Muslims who joined Pakistan and Kashmir wants to be independent on the basis of same two nation theory even before independence struggle starts for Pakistan and Indian, why these people subject to inhuman treatment? just because they are asking same treatment and rights? They are naturally Pakistanis stranded in British and Indian hypocrisy (Sorry to say) even person like you support your own version which is a sad reality.

It may took more time but they will get it no matter under nuclear winters.

Regards,

(end of my part)

Good day...
Still for me you are far better than other lot of Indian present here..no hard feelings.

 

[oOo]

When every other Indian got the right to choose Pakistan or India why not Kashmiris?

Factually incorrect. Their rulers decided for them as per Indian Independence Act 1947.

They are naturally Pakistanis stranded in British and Indian hypocrisy (Sorry to say) even person like you support your own version which is a sad reality..

Please take care of naturally Pakistanis stranded in BDesh first. We all know you are merely interested in land on kashmiris cost and not people.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Good, lets not kill or bar the families of Terrorists .

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir, Your question already answered but you choose to ignore it, when I said every Indian means Muslims and Hindus perhaps mostly Muslims who joined Pakistan and Kashmir wants to be independent on the basis of same two nation theory even before independence struggle starts for Pakistan and Indian, why these people subject to inhuman treatment? just because they are asking same treatment and rights? They are naturally Pakistanis stranded in British and Indian hypocrisy (Sorry to say) even persona like you support you own version a sad reality.

Let me, very respectfully, summarise my understanding in a series of bullet points:

• India and Pakistan got independence on the basis of the Two Nation Theory propounded by the leader of the Muslim League, who did NOT speak for all Muslims, only for a large section of them.
• India did not accept the Two Nation Theory, never did until 2014. Applying it into the post-Independence era is an anachronism.
• The partition of India that took place was the partition of the colony called British India, and it was NOT on the basis of popular will.
  • Punjab was under a Unionist government until two years before the partition, and its politicians were opposed to partition and to Pakistan.
  • NWFP was so strongly against the partition that the authorities had to conduct a referendum that was boycotted by the party in power, as a result of which the pro-partition element almost had a walk-over; you may like to look up the plebiscite results.
  • Neither Sind nor Balochistan was entirely convinced. The exchange of documents between the pre-eminent Baloch leader and Jinnah is good for a proper understanding.
• Other than the three provinces, Sind, Punjab and NWFP, and the partitioned province of Bengal, NO other part of British India joined Pakistan of its own accord.
  • The United Provinces, Bihar, the Central Provinces, Maharashtra all had significant Muslim populations; they were NOT partitioned and the Muslim portions allowed to join Pakistan.
  • Only Bengal and the Punjab were partitioned and the Muslim portions assigned to Pakistan.
• These were the provinces of British India; the states were ruled by 561 princes, who were technically but not practically independent.
• The States had declared in the Round Table conference of 1931 that they would dissolve themselves and join British India.
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• Now they were technically independent, and Mountbatten informed them, on behalf of his relation by marriage, the King Emperor, that they were not to form independent Dominions, as Britain would not recognise these, or any other than India and Pakistan, and they were to merge with (accede to) either India or Pakistan, subject to contiguity (Hyderabad did not have the opportunity to join Pakistan).
• The States that joined Pakistan, in alphabetical order
  1. Amb
  2. Bahawalpur
  3. Chitral
  4. Dir
  5. Hunza
  6. Khairpur
  7. Kharan
  8. Las Bela
  9. Makran
  10. Nagar
  11. Phulra
  12. Swat
• The Khanate of Kalat is an unlucky 13th.
• Those 'nationalist' Pakistanis (not loyal or patriotic, but nationalist) who like to tweak India's tail and tease Indian members by references to the police action in Hyderabad may want to refer to the fates of Khairpur, Hunza , Chitral or Dir.
• Those Muslim Indians who wanted to live in an Islamic majority nation-state migrated to West Pakistan or to East Pakistan. Vast numbers of Muslims stayed back.
• As an academic exercise, please divide your current macro-economic statistics by your present population plus the entire number of Muslim Indians. Please consider if you want this to happen.
• Kashmir, finally, was a princely state and its accession was for the Maharaja to decide (subject to the criteria mentioned earlier).

Please do not consider this to be an aggressive retort. Please take it as an elucidation of my understanding, not as a trouble-seeking post.

It may took more time but they will get it no matter under nuclear winters.

Regards,

(end of my part)

Good day...
Still for me you are far better then other lot of Indian present here..no hard feelings.

The question of hard feelings did not arise. If any of my posts seemed personal, because of their brevity or terse form, I am sorry; no offence was meant.

 

[Areesh]

Please take care of naturally Pakistanis stranded in BDesh first. We all know you are merely interested in land on kashmiris cost and not people.

Is that the reason IOK is a hell today? That you love Kashmiris more than their land?

The thing is Pakistan has taken in both Kashmiris from IOK and Biharis from BD in big numbers..:

• Those 'nationalist' Pakistanis (not loyal or patriotic, but nationalist) who like to tweak India's tail and tease Indian members by references to the police action in Hyderabad may want to refer to the fates of Khairpur, Hunza , Chitral or Dir.

Too many lies and fallacies in your post like any normal Indian.Too many lies. Disgusting to say the least.

But I would like to focus on this part only. Whatever was the fate of Khairpur, Hunza, Chitral or Dir was far less brutal and violent than what state of India did in Hyderabad. In fact there is no comparison exists in those peaceful and rightful accessions to what happened in Hyderabad. Even by your own government report your army with complete state support committed a massacre of Muslims in Hyderabad something which never happened in any of the areas that you named in your post.

The Sunderlal report estimated that between 27,000 to 40,000 people lost their lives.

Role of Indian army in Hyderabad:

The team reported that while Muslim villagers were disarmed by the Indian Army, Hindus were often left with their weapons. The mob violence that ensued was often led by Hindu paramilitary groups.

In other cases, it said, Indian soldiers themselves took an active hand in the butchery: "At a number of places members of the armed forces brought out Muslim adult males from villages and towns and massacred them in cold blood."

"During our tour we gathered, at not a few places, that soldiers encouraged, persuaded and in a few cases even compelled the Hindu mob to loot Muslim shops and houses."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24159594

 

[Joe Shearer]

Is that the reason IOK is a hell today? That you love Kashmiris more than their land?

The thing is Pakistan has taken in both Kashmiris from IOK and Biharis from BD in big numbers..:

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Too many lies and fallacies in your post like any normal Indian.Too many lies. Disgusting to say the least.

You know by now that I do not lie. Your pathological hatred of India and Indians has taken over, and I know, as all of us, including the Pakistani members know, that you lose your senses when it comes to corresponding to Indians. NONE of what I have posted is a lie, and you know that.

But I would like to focus on this part only. Whatever was the fate of Khairpur, Hunza, Chitral or Dir was far less brutal and violent than what state of India did in Hyderabad.

If you know so much, then you should say: what was the fate of Khairpur, Hunza, Chitral or Dir. Or were you just bluffing?

In fact there is no comparison exists in those peaceful and rightful accessions to what happened in Hyderabad. Even by your own government report your army with complete state support committed a massacre of Muslims in Hyderabad something which never happened in any of the areas that you named in your post.

Role of Indian army in Hyderabad:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24159594

Were you personally involved in the mass rape and murders of Rajauri? Or at Baramula?

Just answer yes or no.

 

[S.Y.A]

Were you personally involved in the mass rape and murders of Rajauri? Or at Baramula?

Just answer yes or no.

so you make claims about princely states in Pakistan and yet ask stupid questions from others when they posted sources to back up their claims? were you present at Khairpur, chitral or dir or were you personally involved?

filthy hypocrite

Neither Sind nor Balochistan was entirely convinced. The exchange of documents between the pre-eminent Baloch leader and Jinnah is good for a proper understanding.

false about sindh, its provincial assembly voted in favor of joining Pakistan. please do not lie.

and provide the documents you have mentioned in case of balochistan.

You know by now that I do not lie. Your pathological hatred of India and Indians has taken over, and I know, as all of us, including the Pakistani members know, that you lose your senses when it comes to corresponding to Indians. NONE of what I have posted is a lie, and you know that.

your posts on this thread implies that you are the one who harbors a complete hatred for Pakistan, and have been trying very hard to prove that no one wanted Pakistan (again delusional thinking on your part because of your hatred for Pakistan), or that your outright denial that your army is committing human rights violations against Kashmiris.

 

[Areesh]

You know by now that I do not lie. Your pathological hatred of India and Indians has taken over, and I know, as all of us, including the Pakistani members know, that you lose your senses when it comes to corresponding to Indians. NONE of what I have posted is a lie, and you know that.

I have hatred for lies that Indians come up with. I hate lies that Indians bring to defend actions of their state against my country. These lies are so well ingrained in Indian society that if someone tries to counter them then you take it as hatred for Indians and India. Well if it is hatred then be it. Anyways if it wasn't lies by you then it was sheer ignorance. Your post was full of ignorance if not lies.

If you know so much, then you should say: what was the fate of Khairpur, Hunza, Chitral or Dir. Or were you just bluffing?

I know definitely. But I would like to hear from you what even gave you courage to compare accession of Hunza, Dir, Chitral and Khairpur with brutal and violent invasion and occupation of Hyderabad. Lets listen from you.

Were you personally involved in the mass rape and murders of Rajauri? Or at Baramula?

I was involved or not. I am angry about them. But in any case they were done by tribals unlike in Hyderabad where it was Indian army with complete support from Indian state committed this anti Muslim massacre. Same Indian state that was using "manjan" of secularism to occupy muslim majority Kashmir.