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Pakistan imports generators worth Rs 283 billion in 2016

Just buy some ice , and sprinkle some cold water from time to time
May be people need to invest in plants around the home premis to help cool down neighbourhood temperatures

Should be 100% ban on Electrical generators that are run by "Gas/ Oil / Petrol"

  • Motor Bikes (Need a ban as they contribute to Terrorism and Crime)
  • Electric generators (as they contribite to High usage of Oil/Petrol/Gas commodity pretty much economical Terrorism

Quite easy to solve the problem
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Every home owner could have solved their own home's need independently not a rocket science
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People just are used to being spoon fed in Pakistan
The one time installation cost of solar panels is high
One25 w panel costs roughly 15000
 
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The one time installation cost of solar panels is high
One25 w panel costs roughly 15000

Hmm, that is an exaggeration I think. Solar panel cost Rs. 100-Rs. 150 per watt. However, current efficiency of solar panels still doesn't justify the cost when it's combined with energy storage cost. If we start producing solar panels domestically, this will be feasible for day time consumption in this scenario.
 
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Hmm, that is an exaggeration I think. Solar panel cost Rs. 100-Rs. 150 per watt. However, if current efficiency still doesn't justify the cost when it's combined with energy storage cost. If we start producing solar panels domestically, this will be feasible for day time consumption in this scenario.
Opps i just checked price 15000 is for 50w panels 25w cost about 8000

Hmm, that is an exaggeration I think. Solar panel cost Rs. 100-Rs. 150 per watt. However, current efficiency of solar panels still doesn't justify the cost when it's combined with energy storage cost. If we start producing solar panels domestically, this will be feasible for day time consumption in this scenario.
The domestic panels cost more than Chinese variants
 
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The domestic panels cost more than Chinese variants

In short term, because of high depreciation and amortization of initial cost; not in long run.

Opps i just checked price 15000 is for 50w panels 25w cost about 8000

I don't know where you're looking; when you need big capacity, you contact real suppliers.
PS: I'm talking about solar Panels only, not storage or inventor.
 
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I don't know where you're looking; when you need big capacity, you contact real suppliers.
PS: I'm talking about solar Panels only, not storage or inventor.
Thats what i am talking about too


US $59.99 / piece
There was another brand whose price was 75$ for panel alone
 
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Hey @Zaki any comments on this news?
Sir I never disagreed that the demand of generator is rising. As we discussed on other thread that last year Pakistan had imported generators of 200 billion rupees, it is quite possible that they may have imported generators worth 283 billion rupees this year. By the time I was in Pakistan, the price of average generator was:

1kw = 16,000 rupees
3.5kw = 40,000
3.5kw branded = 100,000
5.5kw = 70,000
6.5kw = 60,000 - 80,000
6.5kw branded = 200,000

I was once interested in import of generators before I had to come back to UK. The price I was quoted from China was

3.5kw = 175 USD FOB to Karachi
5.5kw = 280 USD FOB to Karachi
6.5kw = 293 USD FBO to Karachi

The price difference is the cost of warehouse, taxes, net profit of importer, distributor and point of sale etc. Then I also came to know that the government of Pakistan had their own way of calculating the price of generators and the generator I was going to buy for 175 USD for example will be determined the value of 300 USD in Pakistan. Which will effectively make me noncompetitive compared to others unless I have my ways to please the officials. Later I discovered from one of my relative who import goods from China that most of the trade that comes to Pakistan is not legal as it enters Tajikistan-Afghanistan and back to Pakistan instead of using Korakoram highways and the agents are responsible for determining the price of goods alongside custom officials on Pak-Afghan border so I spoke with one of the agent who told me that it doesn't matter about the value of price you bought. I will fix the price of 80 rupees per kg if less than 16,000 kilograms and 70 rupees per kg if more than that and you will get the product in your warehouse in Rawalpindi or Lahore. With that calculation it was possible to get the same generator from 293 USD to 340 USD at my warehouse in Lahore which literally means plenty of money to make but I gave up with such idea as its not in my blood to cheat like that but I did get the understanding that the import figure shown in the government record is just a fraction of the actual imports to Pakistan. The point I am trying to make is, with 280 billion rupees of legal import it is safe to assume that

1KW = 120 USD x 1 million generators = 120 million USD = 1000 MW
3.5KW = 400 USD x 1 million generators = 400 million USD = 3500 MW
5 KW = 700 USD x 1 million generators = 700 million USD = 5000 MW
6.5 KW = 800 USD x 1 million generators = 800 million USD = 6500 MW

Large generators of 25kw to 100kw are very popular in marriage halls, small factories and hotels etc. Each generator costs between 30,000 to 500,000 USD depending on the brand and your budget and I know quite a few places where such generators are installed and working off-grid / independently. The question is how its worth to the people when its 3-5 times more expensive than the cost of electricity from National grid?

The government says expect load shedding until December 2018, the average life of unbranded generators is 18 months anyway until you are willing to spend a lot of money for repairs. You know the main bazar in my city is adjoined by 3-4 other bazars with total shops of hypothetically speaking 2000. I am quite sure 99% of these shops have generators as they cannot rely on UPS back ups and customers from many surrounding cities comes to do shopping in that bazar, it is important for every shopkeeper to have generators. They are mostly selling clothes, bedsheets, curtains, shoes and money exchange shops etc so their business will come to halt if they cannot make the customers comfortable with fan and lighting. They may spend 1 hour to serve each customer and waste 100-200 rupees of petrol to run the generator but it is worth to them because if the customer only buys their product for 10,000 rupees, mostly 30% of that money is the profit. Such businesses cannot afford to have no electricity even for half n hour and they know that there will plenty of load shedding until the problem is resolved. They basicallay recover the cost of 400-800USD of generator within a month and cannot rely on the government to resolve electricity crisis as it has not happened since last 10 years. Sorry for lengthy post, trust me I tried to restrain myself to keep it short :lol:
 
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There should be a ban on Generators as they eat up oil / gassoline / petrol which ever commodity that fits the model
Generators should only be allowed perhap in Hospitals

Talking rubbish like PPP jiala!
Power is essential need...and if there is power crisis..creating huge demand for gensets..government needs to capitalize on this opportunity to create jobs and even export sector...

Saudi has no crisis of power yet it is a huge importer and local assembler of gen sets..when development is taken to remove areas, genset are the only source of power for camps, remote sites, power tools etc...
 
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There should be a ban on Generators as they eat up oil / gassoline / petrol which ever commodity that fits the model
Generators should only be allowed perhap in Hospitals
Sir one good thing happening in the household sector is increased awareness of solar panels. They are becoming really cheap by every passing day and the price of solar panels in China fell to 1.5 million usd for 1mw of electricity. The point is, 10 years ago the generator market was booming and every 2 out of 10 household who could afford UPS were considering to upgrade to generators.

Now every 2 out of 10 households who can afford generators are considering solar panels. You can have a very good solar panel kit for 200,000 to 300,000 rupees and the branded generator also costs 200,000 rupees with plenty of running costs. So it makes a lot of sense for those who can afford to switch to solar panels. That is one of the reason why 30 billion rupees of solar panels were imported last year and the number is rising sharply. The government must also be appreciated as they reduced the import duty to 0% in order to encourage solar panels over generators where the petrol generators up to certain kw are technically banned and only diesel generators are allowed with really high import duty.

The trend of solar panel is likely to increase in household sector but generators are there to stay for industries and commercial sector
 
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Within 2-3 years loadshedding problem will be largely gone. By then this import should go down substantially.
 
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The price difference is the cost of warehouse, taxes, net profit of importer, distributor and point of sale etc. Then I also came to know that the government of Pakistan had their own way of calculating the price of generators and the generator I was going to buy for 175 USD for example will be determined the value of 300 USD in Pakistan. Which will effectively make me noncompetitive compared to others unless I have my ways to please the officials. Later I discovered from one of my relative who import goods from China that most of the trade that comes to Pakistan is not legal as it enters Tajikistan-Afghanistan and back to Pakistan instead of using Korakoram highways and the agents are responsible for determining the price of goods alongside custom officials on Pak-Afghan border so I spoke with one of the agent who told me that it doesn't matter about the value of price you bought. I will fix the price of 80 rupees per kg if less than 16,000 kilograms and 70 rupees per kg if more than that and you will get the product in your warehouse in Rawalpindi or Lahore. With that calculation it was possible to get the same generator from 293 USD to 340 USDSAR 1,275
Exchange Rate: USD 1 = SAR 3.75 at my warehouse in Lahore which literally means plenty of money to make but I gave up with such idea as its not in my blood to cheat like that but I did get the understanding that the import figure shown in the government record is just a fraction of the actual imports to Pakistan. The point I am trying to make is, with 280 billion rupees of legal import it is safe to assume that

Pakistani customs and FBR are the biggest thieves in the country along with NAB...customs is deliberately complicated to the point that it promotes all kind of smuggling at the hands of influential while honest traders are tired down with regulations...my German supplier did not believe much of the laws I told them about Pakistan..especially FBR...valuation rulings so he had pass the info to their legal department full of lawyers and guess what they said...it was not possible to export honestly to Pakistan and they cannot be part of any documents manipulation..so the idea flopped...as whole..

Chinese generators are totally crap...

What some people are doing in Karachi is importing Honda clone CKD from Taiwan and assemble locally..I will say their product is 90% Honda quality..
 
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Well mind it or not..but here in india there is also problem of electricty in villages..but here in my village many have already switched to solar panels and inverters ..and so do other villages as these things spread fast..when light is there they switch it else solar is already there..:)
 
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