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Pakistan fighting war for existence: Petraeus

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Updated at: 1407 PST, Wednesday, June 17, 2009
TAMPA: US forces in Afghanistan can expect "tough fighting" with insurgents in coming months which will extend beyond this year, top US commander David Petraeus said on Wednesday.

As US troops in the war-torn country get on the offensive "to take back from the Taliban areas that they have been able to control, there will be tough fighting," Petraeus said at a meeting with French journalists at the US Central Command headquarters in Tampa, Florida.

"Certainly that tough fighting will not be concluded just this year. Certainly there will be tough periods beyond this year," he added.

Petraeus said he was always reluctant to attempt definite predictions on "how long various missions will take, because the enemy gets a vote."

The Taliban-led insurgency is now at its bloodiest level since 2001, when the hardliners were ousted in a US-led invasion, raising concern about new violence in the face of US troop reinforcements and ahead of presidential elections planned for August.

The United States' fresh strategy against the insurgents includes the ongoing deployment of 17,000 US troops, around 7,000 of whom are already in place.

Petraeus, who oversaw the troop "surge" in Iraq credited with significantly reducing violence there, said it was neither desirable or possible to replicate such a strategy in Afghanistan.

"You can't in Afghanistan live among the people the way we were able to live among the people in Iraq," he noted.

"They don't want you, in this culture, the way people would welcome us in Iraq."

As such, diplomatic efforts must continue alongside military operations, Petraeus said, stressing it was the only way to help contain the increasingly growing insurgency.

"You sit down with local leaders, drink many cups of tea, discuss the plans and what they might want you to do to help them," he said. "In most cases, it's done by finding a small hilltop and building a small base there."

Petraeus said he approved of Pakistan's offensive against Taliban insurgents on its side of the border with Afghanistan, but assured that the United States was not providing direct combat assistance to Islamabad.

"We are not the source of it, this is a Pakistani operation," Petraeus insisted, as he noted US financial and material assistance.

Some 100,000 rounds of ammunition and four MI-17 cargo helicopters have been delivered, while more than 400 million dollars in US aid was sent to help the hundreds of thousands of refugees displaced by the fighting in the Swat valley.

Some 447 million dollars in direct US military assistance has also been pledged to Islamabad. But, according to Petraeus, "none of this is direct support in combat."

The battle on Pakistani soil "is their fight against extremism that they assess poses a threat against their very existence," he said. "It's not them fighting our global war on terror."

On Iraq, the general said there has been "very substantial progress made" even as "sensational attacks" continue.

Noting that Al-Qaeda in Iraq and other militant groups still have an interest in waging chaos in the country, Petraeus admitted any progress "remains fragile and reversible."

Efforts to remove US combat forces from Iraqi cities by the end of June is "on track," he added.

By June 30 US troops must leave Iraq's cities, towns and villages as part of a landmark security accord between Washington and Baghdad that will see American forces leave Iraq by the end of 2011.

"Some coordinating elements are going to remain in large cities to ensure that if assistance of communication are needed, that can still be done," Petraeus said.
 
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Pakistan fighting war for existence: Petraeus

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Updated at: 1407 PST, Wednesday, June 17, 2009
TAMPA: US forces in Afghanistan can expect "tough fighting" with insurgents in coming months which will extend beyond this year, top US commander David Petraeus said on Wednesday.

As US troops in the war-torn country get on the offensive "to take back from the Taliban areas that they have been able to control, there will be tough fighting," Petraeus said at a meeting with French journalists at the US Central Command headquarters in Tampa, Florida.

"Certainly that tough fighting will not be concluded just this year. Certainly there will be tough periods beyond this year," he added.

Petraeus said he was always reluctant to attempt definite predictions on "how long various missions will take, because the enemy gets a vote."

The Taliban-led insurgency is now at its bloodiest level since 2001, when the hardliners were ousted in a US-led invasion, raising concern about new violence in the face of US troop reinforcements and ahead of presidential elections planned for August.

The United States' fresh strategy against the insurgents includes the ongoing deployment of 17,000 US troops, around 7,000 of whom are already in place.

Petraeus, who oversaw the troop "surge" in Iraq credited with significantly reducing violence there, said it was neither desirable or possible to replicate such a strategy in Afghanistan.

"You can't in Afghanistan live among the people the way we were able to live among the people in Iraq," he noted.

"They don't want you, in this culture, the way people would welcome us in Iraq."

As such, diplomatic efforts must continue alongside military operations, Petraeus said, stressing it was the only way to help contain the increasingly growing insurgency.

"You sit down with local leaders, drink many cups of tea, discuss the plans and what they might want you to do to help them," he said. "In most cases, it's done by finding a small hilltop and building a small base there."

Petraeus said he approved of Pakistan's offensive against Taliban insurgents on its side of the border with Afghanistan, but assured that the United States was not providing direct combat assistance to Islamabad.

"We are not the source of it, this is a Pakistani operation," Petraeus insisted, as he noted US financial and material assistance.

Some 100,000 rounds of ammunition and four MI-17 cargo helicopters have been delivered, while more than 400 million dollars in US aid was sent to help the hundreds of thousands of refugees displaced by the fighting in the Swat valley.

Some 447 million dollars in direct US military assistance has also been pledged to Islamabad. But, according to Petraeus, "none of this is direct support in combat."

The battle on Pakistani soil "is their fight against extremism that they assess poses a threat against their very existence," he said. "It's not them fighting our global war on terror."

On Iraq, the general said there has been "very substantial progress made" even as "sensational attacks" continue.

Noting that Al-Qaeda in Iraq and other militant groups still have an interest in waging chaos in the country, Petraeus admitted any progress "remains fragile and reversible."

Efforts to remove US combat forces from Iraqi cities by the end of June is "on track," he added.

By June 30 US troops must leave Iraq's cities, towns and villages as part of a landmark security accord between Washington and Baghdad that will see American forces leave Iraq by the end of 2011.

"Some coordinating elements are going to remain in large cities to ensure that if assistance of communication are needed, that can still be done," Petraeus said.

US Gen. had not spoken single word for IDP's ??????

Where is status of front line state gone --- ??????


Our Prime minister should throw this money back to US ,if it is our war then we dont need any US help or donation .

Pakistan has 180 mill population can generate 540 Mill USD in one day if all Pakistani's donate three dollars for IDP's and war.
 
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US Gen. had not spoken single word for IDP's ??????

Where is status of front line state gone --- ??????


Our Prime minister should through this money back to US ,if it is our war then we dont need any US help or donation .

Pakistan has 180 mill population can generate 540 Mill USD in one day if all Pakistani's donate three dollars for IDP's and war.

IDPs are destined to be 'conveniently' forgotten in due time.
Read a LETTERs to EDITOR in NEWS of 15th JULNE 2009. A person of LAKI MARWAT, BANNU lamented that how he has been displaced for MILITARY OPERATION and HIS CATTLE & PROPERTY worth Millions has been bombed by the airforce & now he has been compensated by only Rs.25000.
 
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IDPs are destined to be 'conveniently' forgotten in due time.
Read a LETTERs to EDITOR in NEWS of 15th JULNE 2009. A person of LAKI MARWAT, BANNU lamented that how he has been displaced for MILITARY OPERATION and HIS CATTLE & PROPERTY worth Millions has been bombed by the airforce & now he has been compensated by only Rs.25000.

Wow; so the airforce has nothing better to do than bomb cattle :rofl:
Could somebody confirm that the AF uses cattle as target practice :blah:

Im sick of taliban apologists. How about we disband our evil military who bomb muslims; rape their women; destroy their homes; are the cause of strife in the country; stop the operations; let the taliban take over Pakistan and apply nizam e adl for a few days; lets see where it goes :enjoy:
 
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US Gen. had not spoken single word for IDP's ??????

Where is status of front line state gone --- ??????


Our Prime minister should throw this money back to US ,if it is our war then we dont need any US help or donation .

Pakistan has 180 mill population can generate 540 Mill USD in one day if all Pakistani's donate three dollars for IDP's and war.

The US general will be more concerned with the military and stability side of things. The civilian leadership is working on the aid for IDP's.

Btw one thing we all should note here is that where did the supposed 'muslim brotherhood' go? Where are the arabs and palestinians and others that, we as pakistanis, think are with us? Nobody comes to help you when you are down. Every country is for itself. I hope this is clear now.
 
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Wow; so the airforce has nothing better to do than bomb cattle :rofl:
Could somebody confirm that the AF uses cattle as target practice :blah:

Im sick of taliban apologists. How about we disband our evil military who bomb muslims; rape their women; destroy their homes; are the cause of strife in the country; stop the operations; let the taliban take over Pakistan and apply nizam e adl for a few days; lets see where it goes :enjoy:

No remedy for your sickness.... try to live with it
 
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The US general will be more concerned with the military and stability side of things. The civilian leadership is working on the aid for IDP's.

Btw one thing we all should note here is that where did the supposed 'muslim brotherhood' go? Where are the arabs and palestinians and others that, we as pakistanis, think are with us? Nobody comes to help you when you are down. Every country is for itself. I hope this is clear now.

This is biggest delima of muslim world ,they were divided into small nations ,those who are rich(Saudi Arabia,Qatar,Kawait,Libya,Turkey) dont want to spend their money for needy and poor muslim countries like Sumalia,Afghanistan,Bangladesh and Pakistan.

One year of oil money of Saudia is enough for five years development plan for all poor muslim countries.
 
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IDPs are destined to be 'conveniently' forgotten in due time.
Read a LETTERs to EDITOR in NEWS of 15th JULNE 2009. A person of LAKI MARWAT, BANNU lamented that how he has been displaced for MILITARY OPERATION and HIS CATTLE & PROPERTY worth Millions has been bombed by the airforce & now he has been compensated by only Rs.25000.

25000 is wat is being given to everyone.
its not the compensation for any property losses etc which will be given once these ppl return back.

although im totally against aid but US has helped (with IDP crisis) us more than any muslim country.
 
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AID is not an answer. They are proud people & I, myself cannot imagine living in a camp on handouts

yes they are proud ppl. but it wont stay the same if they are left at the mercy of taliban who forcefully marry their daughters.
rit now we need to have faith in each other and obviously in Allah
 
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AID is not an answer. They are proud people & I, myself cannot imagine living in a camp on handouts

Nobody wanted this to happen to them; they brought the taliban in to apply nizam-e-adl; but the taliban wanted more territory to conceded to them. There is a limit to everything; once that limit was crossed then only the military came into action. Afterall; you cannot have a state within a state.
 
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Nobody wanted this to happen to them; they brought the taliban in to apply nizam-e-adl; but the taliban wanted more territory to conceded to them. There is a limit to everything; once that limit was crossed then only the military came into action. Afterall; you cannot have a state within a state.

GOP should give full provincial autonomy to all provinces , they can decide what they want to follow shariah law or not, it is very simple solution.GOP delayed provincial autonomy ,that is major factor that all four provices are not happy with federal government rule of law.The justice delayed is justice denied.
 
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yes they are proud ppl. but it wont stay the same if they are left at the mercy of taliban who forcefully marry their daughters.
rit now we need to have faith in each other and obviously in Allah

Well the point is if there suffering is going to extend for more time then they might opt for the way which seems less painful.
 
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