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Pakistan continue to use Taliban as hedge against India, says top American commander

Afghan govt will never lose sponsorship.

Keep dreaming, unless the US is committed to providing advisers and other personnel, ammunition, intelligence, airlift supplies, and spend at the very least $40 billion per year, the current situation is not sustainable.

Eventually the Taliban will win, either that or they are brought into a political process.
 
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Keep dreaming, unless the US is committed to providing advisers and other personnel, ammunition, intelligence, airlift supplies, and spend at the very least $40 billion per year, the current situation is not sustainable.

Eventually the Taliban will win, either that or they are brought into a political process.
When was the last time the world has let an Islamic militia who is known to use terrorism as a tool, was given a whole country and it's resources? What good has the Taliban ever did to Pakistan? Drowning your citizen in opium? You know who is the biggest producer and who is the biggest consumer of Opium. Also, they do good by Pushing people out of Afghanistan to Pakistan as refugees?

Go ahead, Cheer for the Taliban. We all know how that's gonna end when NATO Coalition leaves. At least we're glad that we don't share a border when that happens.
 
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This is a very strange statement what he wants to say?? Are taliban fighting against the indians?? What does he mean??what does he mean by this hedge thing ..

Secondly Pakistan does not need to do a jackshit to stop people moving across afghan border... If USA has problem why don't they send general and his esteemed core to check the movement??
 
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Keep dreaming, unless the US is committed to providing advisers and other personnel, ammunition, intelligence, airlift supplies, and spend at the very least $40 billion per year, the current situation is not sustainable.

Eventually the Taliban will win, either that or they are brought into a political process.

Pakistanis are so afraid of Taliban that they will always want them in power in return of some favor while these savages destroy a civilization. Anyway I dont blame you. Your governments are to be blamed.
 
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Both of you ought to read up on the history of Afghanistan before you (and countless other Indians) come at me with these ill-informed opinions based on preconceived feelings against Pakistan with little prior knowledge of Afghan history, conflicts and politics.

When was the last time the world has let an Islamic militia who is known to use terrorism as a tool, was given a whole country and it's resources?

1996.

What good has the Taliban ever did to Pakistan? Drowning your citizen in opium? You know who is the biggest producer and who is the biggest consumer of Opium. Also, they do good by Pushing people out of Afghanistan to Pakistan as refugees?

Last I remember, opium production plummeted under the Taliban, and since the state of war has returned, it has skyrocketed since.


Go ahead, Cheer for the Taliban. We all know how that's gonna end when NATO Coalition leaves. At least we're glad that we don't share a border when that happens.
Pakistanis are so afraid of Taliban that they will always want them in power in return of some favor while these savages destroy a civilization. Anyway I dont blame you. Your governments are to be blamed.

Neither of you truly understand the things which you're passing a judgement on.

We had interests in Afghanistan well before the Taliban were created, we were backing the anti-Soviet militias in the 80s, and we backed other militias to overthrow the Najibullah's DRA post-Soviet withdrawal, a regime which bears striking resemblance to the Kabul government, it fell in 1991/2. The Taliban came about in 1994 after the Kandahar student movement. In the interim, there was a civil war. With proxies by regional powers, including our own. The Taliban came in 1994 and won Kabul by 1996, then there was another second civil war between them and the Northern Alliance, the US intervened against the Taliban and placed the NA goons in power by 2001-2002. Essentially, it involved itself in a much longer history of civil war and politics. That's why I said that the Taliban already won 15 years ago, Bonn Agreement and the Loya Jirga(s) of 2001-2003.

Now that the history lesson is over. I will tell you that Pakistan's establishment has believed from the start that the US was making a mistake. We were dragged into the war, by the situation in the North West, and by US pressure. Now that we've expelled militants, it seems Afghanistan is in much worse shape than in 2011.

Pakistanis simply want a few things from Afghanistan. The first is a unity government that reconciles the disaffected Taliban and the related political factions which could be legitimised, but of course neither the US or the Kabul regime wants to share power. We want this so that Afghanistan can be at peace. That means no militancy crossing over to Pakistan, less space for opium trade (this would also depend on other factors), less refugees etc. The second thing we'd like is some sort of understanding and role in Afghanistan, we don't want or could afford Afghanistan to be used by hostile elements to target Pakistan, as has happened long before modern times. As a part of that, we don't want foreign interests such as Indian being given the space to target us via Afghanistan.

These are completely reasonable conditions.

As I've said before, there's only one endgame in Afghanistan. Peace, with all relevant parties forming a government and power sharing. Or perpetual civil war, which will sooner or later see the Kabul government overthrown.

These are the facts, I suggest you don't reply because you feel you have to, or waste any more of my time. Most of this post is just going over history and context which 99% of Indians I've come across aren't aware of, please reserve judgement until you know what you're talking about.
 
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Pakistanis simply want a few things from Afghanistan. The first is a unity government that reconciles the disaffected Taliban and the related political factions which could be legitimised, but of course neither the US or the Kabul regime wants to share power. We want this so that Afghanistan can be peaceful. That means no militancy crossing over to Pakistan, less space for opium trade (this would also depend on other factors), less refugees etc. The second thing we'd like is some sort of understanding and role in Afghanistan, we don't want or could afford Afghanistan to be used by hostile elements to target Pakistan, as has happened long before modern times. As a part of that, we don't want foreign interests such as Indian being given the space to target us via Afghanistan.

So let me ask you this, given the above list: What can Pakistan do to help USA make these concessions? Surely, there has to be more than just the expectation of keeping USA mired unless Pakistan gets its way, as a strategy (or is that really all that Pakistan is banking on?). Given the last sentence, the same applies to India: what could it offer USA in return for that space in Afghanistan that Pakistan can and should counter?
 
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So let me ask you this, given the above list: What can Pakistan do to help USA make these concessions? Surely, there has to be more than just the expectation of keeping USA mired unless Pakistan gets its way, as a strategy (or is that really all that Pakistan is banking on?). Given the last sentence, the same applies to India: what could it offer USA in return for that space in Afghanistan that Pakistan can and should counter?

Part in bold, you're misunderstanding what I've meant by that list, they aren't so much demands as they are reasonable objectives, most of which would naturally occur in any normal peaceful Afghanistan. The US needs to understand that the war, as it is, is lost, and was unwinnable. You can't shut out what is probably large segment of Afghan society and polity, or brand them as militants while you fund and arm their historic enemies to wage war against them, it's a stupid idea and it's bound to fail.

Even if you take Pakistan out of the picture, the above paragraph still holds true imo. Lots of relevant people believe this now in the US, the executive and some politicians aside, and now the US is looking to negotiate with the taliban (again). The one thing the US has time and again relied upon Pakistan for is to open talks with the Taliban.

I'm not adding much of my own insight here by the way, while I believe everything I've said here, it is basically the view of the whole Pakistani establishment, including higher ups in the army and the ISI. It's what they've stayed consistent on for years, even if publicly they haven't proclaimed it. In the end, they want an Afghan political reconciliation, an end to excessive foreign presence (war), and then the demand of not allowing anti-Pakistan activity space is something that you can deal with.
 
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This is a very strange statement what he wants to say?? Are taliban fighting against the indians?? What does he mean??what does he mean by this hedge thing ..

Secondly Pakistan does not need to do a jackshit to stop people moving across afghan border... If USA has problem why don't they send general and his esteemed core to check the movement??
He is a big mouthed idiot..
 
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Part in bold, you're misunderstanding what I've meant by that list, they aren't so much demands as they are reasonable objectives, most of which would naturally occur in any normal peaceful Afghanistan. The US needs to understand that the war, as it is, is lost, and was unwinnable. You can't shut out what is probably large segment of Afghan society and polity, or brand them as militants while you fund and arm their historic enemies to wage war against them, it's a stupid idea and it's bound to fail.

Even if you take Pakistan out of the picture, the above paragraph still holds true imo. Lots of relevant people believe this now in the US, the executive and some politicians aside, and now the US is looking to negotiate with the taliban (again). The one thing the US has time and again relied upon Pakistan for is to open talks with the Taliban.

I'm not adding much of my own insight here by the way, while I believe everything I've said here, it is basically the view of the whole Pakistani establishment, including higher ups in the army and the ISI. It's what they've stayed consistent on for years, even if publicly they haven't proclaimed it. In the end, they want an Afghan political reconciliation, an end to excessive foreign presence (war), and then the demand of not allowing anti-Pakistan activity space is something that you can deal with.

I agree that from the Pakistani establishment's point of view, these are indeed desirable goals to achieve in what it has long regarded as its backyard. My comments were meant see what could be done to reinforce Pakistan's bargaining position as to what can be done to realize these objectives, given that India is, and will be, making its own case to align US national interests with its own in Afghanistan.

From what you have said in the concluding paragraph, it seems to me that the Pakistani bet is just to tire the Americans out of Afghanistan. I fear that may not be enough to prevent India from making its own space there, with or without US help.

This will not be over anytime soon, it seems.
 
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I agree that from the Pakistani establishment's point of view, these are indeed desirable goals to achieve in what it has long regarded as its backyard. My comments were meant see what could be done to reinforce Pakistan's bargaining position as to what can be done to realize these objectives, given that India is, and will be, making its own case to align US national interests with its own in Afghanistan.

From what you have said in the concluding paragraph, it seems to me that the Pakistani bet is just to tire the Americans out of Afghanistan. I fear that may not be enough to prevent India from making its own space there, with or without US help.

This will not be over anytime soon, it seems.

I agree with you, and in terms of bargaining position, we don't have much at this time. And unfortunately, the best we've been able to think of, partially due to inept statecraft, is the hope that the US quits sometime in the future, opening up more space for us.

We need to do a lot more to see this vision through, and we need a much better approach to the Kabul government too.
 
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I agree with you, and in terms of bargaining position, we don't have much at this time. And unfortunately, the best we've been able to think of, partially due to inept statecraft, is the hope that the US quits sometime in the future, opening up more space for us.

We need to do a lot more to see this vision through, and we need a much better approach to the Kabul government too.

Exactly my point, that Pakistan should be figuring out ways to improve its position rather than just relying on war fatigue to set in to the point that USA walks away. After all, all other players will be doing the same.
 
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Someone ask these d|ckheads, why did you brought in India on Afghan soil, a completely irrelevant entity in Afghan affairs, knowing fully well that India will waste no time to use Afghan soil spreading terrorism in Pakistan. Despite Pakistan warning them from day one after 9/11, not to bring in India into Afghansitan.

These fkers think rest of the world can be made fool. They were/are the force behind Indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan via Afghan soil.

Why act smarty pants now? Now deal with the consequences of the choices you made. You cannot say that you were not warned!
 
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Keep dreaming, unless the US is committed to providing advisers and other personnel, ammunition, intelligence, airlift supplies, and spend at the very least $40 billion per year, the current situation is not sustainable.

Eventually the Taliban will win, either that or they are brought into a political process.
Last week mattis made it clear US will never pullout
 
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Good for India because as long as Pakistan supports Taliban, Afghanistan will remain unstable and thus will remain a security headache for Pakistan.
As if Afghanistan, the US and India don't support their own proxies?
You expect us to give up while keeping yours? This isn't how it goes darling.
 
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