Pakistan: Christian women are considered the booty of war

[POKEMON12]

Firstly,Just because of some hadiths being unreliable, you have no right to say that all hadith and sunnah are not perfect..... This Fitna was created by non muslims just to destroy the Wonderful Sunnah of our Holy Prophet (SA) . Please don't be a part of it...

Secondly Brother you should be clear that we have two sources of Law, not one.. they are Quran and Sunnah... Sunnah is also a law because Holy Prophet (SA) did only what was told to him by Allah.. there is a famous Ayat in Quran. i don't exactly know its source. if any one knows then please contribute here. that Ayat says:

"He (Muhammad SA) Doesn't speaks in vain. He speaks in Revelations"​

Every conduct and every saying of Holy Prophet (SA) is the Law of Islam as it was ordered by Allah to Holy Prophet (SA) to be done... Holy Prophet (SA) NEVER did anything that was against the Orders of Allah .. So if He ordered to kill the non Muslims who did such Blasphemy to Our Holy Prophet (SA) , it was according to the Will of Allah and so it is a Law of Islam...

Once Hazrat Maaz (RA) was declared Governor of Yemen by Holy Prophet (SA). Holy Prophet (SA) asked him "How will you govern Yemen?" He replied "By Quran."..... Holy Prophet (SA) further said; "what will you do if you are not able to find the guidance in Quran?" he Replied "I will consult Sunnah", Holy Prophet (SA) further enquired "What will you do if you are not able to find the solution in Sunnah" Hazrat Maaz (RA) replied "I will do Ijtihaad".. Holy Prophet (SA) was very Pleased with his reply and sent him to Yemen...

So the above Hadith proves that if we can't find any solution to the issue in Quran, then Shariah says us to Obey Hadith and Sunnah..

Thirdly, you enquired about Ahmedis in Quran..

By name, Ahmedis are not mentioned in Quran, because this Fitna didn't existed at the time of Prophet (SA)....

But when Quran and Holy Prophet (SA) declares, that Prophet Muhammad (SA) is the last Prophet of Allah and their will be no Prophet after him, then those who claims Prophethood after Prophet (SA) are all Kafir and their followers are also Kafir , because they destroyed their believe in the Finality of Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (SA).....

If they claim themselves to be Muslims and calls their places of Worship as Masjid, it will Damage Islam Severely because it will create another false Sect in Islam that will have A highly Significant difference in Belief...

Sunni-Shia mainly have differences about the Companions of Prophet (SA). But this Kafir sect have a difference in one of the Most Important Belief of Islam i.e Finality of Prophethood...

If this Sect is declared as Muslims, then We will be considering Holy Prophet (SA) as the Last Prophet , and these people will be considering the maniac Qadyani to be their Prophet, and still they will be calling themsleves Muslims .. ... And we should recognise that "This is not small issue. this Fitna is one of the Biggest Fitnahs of Islam"

And still if we allow them to say that they are Muslims , Then really SHAME ON US, that we were not able to stop them from calling themselves muslims...

As far as your last question is concerned, The Holy Quran may contain such ayat, but I have no Ayat of Quran in my knowledge that defines Blasphemy... .... If any one can contribute here it will be really beneficial.

Is it Islam all about? Killing humans for not following it!!!!
I dont know much about Islam but my soul says you corrupt the whole idea of Islam.

 

[Karachiite]

But there are certain things about the thread which I want to mention is that Pakistan our country is way better in giving rights to the minorities than those who claimed it is not.Those who claimed must first look how womens are treated in their own homes.We have never burn a mandir or a temple in Pakistan.Not even a single event in the history of Pakistan that shows that we have burn the scriptures of other religions.

I agree the Pakistani Government supports the minorities to some extent especially Musharraf's govt did but the extremist people you find in rural areas are bastards towards the minority religions.
My mother and her family are Christians and they have never had any problems living in Pakistan.

 

[Vimana1]

Is it Islam all about? Killing humans for not following it!!!!
I dont know much about Islam but my soul says you corrupt the whole idea of Islam.

No religion teaches to kill im not muslim but I read that in Quran it says if one kills a innocent person it is like they have killed the whole of humanity itself, but people use the holy books as a tool and corrupt and manipulate the message for personal gain like the taliban.

 

[Awesome]

Sorry for that.. I wrote it by mistake.....

This was said by Agonistic Muslim who is Moderator.... Really Sorry for that once again..

Count me in. The state has no business making judgments on blasphemy. Quaid-e-Azam stated anyone's "religion caste or creed has not thing to do with the business of the state". It is an unpatriotic law.

 

[unicorn]

I agree the Pakistani Government supports the minorities to some extent especially Musharraf's govt did but the extremist people you find in rural areas are bastards towards the minority religions.
My mother and her family are Christians and they have never had any problems living in Pakistan.

Your mother and your family is very lucky to be living in Pakistan.Just think about the christian people that were living in our neighbours.They were slaughtered recently.If you were there you would probably not talking like this on a defense forum.You should also think about them.It is your duty.

 

[unicorn]

What is the current situation of Christians in Pakistan?

The suffering continues. Recently, there has been a troubling escalation of discrimination and persecution against Christians in the country, especially against Christian women and girls. Abductions, rapes, forced marriages, forced conversions to Islam, accusations of blasphemy are all part of our daily agenda. This prolonged suffering is spreading a sense of injustice and neglect, especially among the youth and the poor. We to raise our voices to offer them a better position in seeking justice.

My Apologies the topic is only about Pakistan and all the sad and vile things happen to christian in Pakistan.I was off topic there.

you find in rural areas are bastards towards the minority religions.

Did I cross the threshold there?I think I just replied by quoting video of their official channel news.And if you think by not replying a quote above is good than OK!

Please guide me whether I start talking about Islamic terrorism towards christian in Pakistan or about the extrimists Bastards living in the rural areas of Pakistan.Both satisfy the topic of this thread.Please guide me in this.

 

[unicorn]

I agree the Pakistani Government supports the minorities to some extent especially Musharraf's govt did but the

extremist

people you find in rural areas are bastards towards the minority religions.
My mother and her family are Christians and they have never had any problems living in Pakistan.

Bhai yehan per aashiq ka matlab tha islamic extrimists aur usi ki bunyad per hi wo dihati logoun ko gali de rahi thein.Ab un ke zehan main ye jo baat hai ke sirf aur sirf Islam ki waja se baithi hui hai.Kya main ne ghalat kiya un ko ye bta ke aap jo sochti ho ghalat hai.Kyunke aur mazhaib ke log is se ziada bura karte hain.
Kya main ne ghalat kiya un ko bta ke Islam ke bare main un ka jo misconception hai wo ghalat hai.ye baat btana mera farz hai.

Asim Bhai ne apni peechli sari post main Freedom ki baat ki hai.Konse Freedom ki baat kar rahe hain wo.Jab sawal khud per utha to aap ke pas jawab nahi hai.Ya phir aap main se kisi main bhi himmat nahi hai.Sub seniors ne is thread main post kiya hai.
Aap Seniors hone ke nate phir mujhe btao ke kya baat karain jab bhi koi Pakistan par sawal uthay aur bilkul ghalat uthai.Chup rahe jis ko aap freedom bolte ho.

 

[Awesome]

Bhai yehan per aashiq ka matlab tha islamic extrimists aur usi ki bunyad per hi wo dihati logoun ko gali de rahi thein.Ab un ke zehan main ye jo baat hai ke sirf aur sirf Islam ki waja se baithi hui hai.Kya main ne ghalat kiya un ko ye bta ke aap jo sochti ho ghalat hai.Kyunke aur mazhaib ke log is se ziada bura karte hain.
Kya main ne ghalat kiya un ko bta ke Islam ke bare main un ka jo misconception hai wo ghalat hai.ye baat btana mera farz hai.

Asim Bhai ne apni peechli sari post main Freedom ki baat ki hai.Konse Freedom ki baat kar rahe hain wo.Jab sawal khud per utha to aap ke pas jawab nahi hai.Ya phir aap main se kisi main bhi himmat nahi hai.Sub seniors ne is thread main post kiya hai.
Aap Seniors hone ke nate phir mujhe btao ke kya baat karain jab bhi koi Pakistan par sawal uthay aur bilkul ghalat uthai.Chup rahe jis ko aap freedom bolte ho.

Please stick to English.

Btw, please revert back to Ashiq's post and he did qualify his statement with the word "extremist" people in rural areas.

How do you think Christians would view the people who hang them, jail them, kill them ridicule them? That is what everyone is trying to say here, you're dividing up Pakistan, you're a force against Pakistan's unity. Technically Mullahs should be charged for treason!

Bring about laws where everyone is equal and judge people based on their actions. Keep everyone united.

 

[Infinite Sapience]

Amnesty urges release of Pakistani Christian woman


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ISLAMABAD: International human rights advocate Amnesty International has joined calls for the release of Pakistani Christian woman Asia Bibi who has been sentenced to death under the country’s blasphemy laws.

Amnesty International on Friday also called on Pakistan to revise the law under which mother of five Asia Bibi was convicted this month.

The case stems from a dispute between Bibi and a group of Muslim women over the use of a water bowl. The other women accused her of making derogatory remarks against the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). She has been in prison for one-and-a-half years and her case has been appealed.

Pope Benedict XVI on Wednesday urged Pakistan to release Asia.

The case has drawn attention to blasphemy laws, which critics say are used to persecute religious minorities.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

What a nonsensical topic...

Women are to honor not to be made into slaves...

Unless the Caliph orders to make prisoners of em all GI Janes!!!!

 

[dabong1]

He was a hardliner before but then he softened his stance to reach an audience in the west and higher classes too.

As far back as i call recall the has never had a hardline stance on anything

All to increase funds for his foundation.
Guess who benefits from the increased revenue?

The normal person.



Tahir-ul-Qadri
Qadri started his education from the Sacred Heart School in Jhang, a Catholic mission school.

He studied law at the University of the Punjab, Lahore where he graduated with an LLB in 1974, gaining a Gold Medal for his academic performances. Following a period of legal practice as an advocate, he taught law at the University of the Punjab from 1978 to 1983 and then gained his PhD in Law from the same university in 1986. He was appointed as a professor of Law at the University of Punjab, where he taught British, US and Islamic constitutional law.

He was appointed as a jurist consultant (legal adviser) on Islamic law for the Supreme Court and the Federal Shariat Court of Pakistan and also worked as a specialist adviser on Islamic curricula for the Federal Ministry of Education (Pakistan). At various times between 1983–1987, he was offered various high level posts, which he refused and continued to expand his organisation.

He has delivered more than 6,000 lectures on economy and political studies, religious philosophy, law, spirituality Sufism, medical sciences, material sciences and astronomy.

Going off the above if the guy wanted to make money am sure he would have taken the above route of high paid jobs rather then set up his own education movement.

 

[Mughal1]

Dear friends, islam does not allow terrorism and trouble making by anyone let alone a muslim in any country and more so in the name of god. The quran uses word FASAAD FIL ARD.

As for JIHAD, it is all about fairness and social justice in the land for all, muslims and nonmuslims alike. Islam wants people to live like a single family.

I would love for any muslim terrorist to prove in quranic context of islam that what he is doing is true islam. Terrorists in the name of islam are simply put people without sense.

The prophet of islam never did even a single act of terrorism despite having around 200 followers in makkah and despite being threatened with death. He could have made their life hell if that was what islam wanted. So people who think terrorism is taught by islam must think again. Islam is all about peaceful, progressive and prosperous human society.

As for persecution in the name of islam in paksitan, this is either politically or crime motivated and has nothing to do with islam. There is no blasphemy law in islam. Islam wants people to be free so that they can have meaningful dialogues between themselves over all issues of their concern. It is rulers who want to control poeple so they use religion to do that. So one should be careful about corrupt religious leaders as well as political leaders. They give support to each other to abuse ordinary poeple like whom the prophet of islam tried to protect against chiefs of makkah. These poeple were not muslims for whom the prophet spoke and he bore the brunt of wrath of chiefs of makkah for doing that.

The lesson here is that true muslims stand up for all weak and powerless people not go around creating trouble and terrorism.

Terrorist have no support of ordinary poeple that is why they are forced to take up arms to make people do as they want them to do. All this because they do not have reason on their side that could convince poeple for their support. If your reason is strong enough, you do not need guns to convince people that what you say is true or what you want is reasonable and right.

regards and all the best.

 

[Ahmad]

What a nonsensical topic...

Women are to honor not to be made into slaves...

Unless the Caliph orders to make prisoners of em all GI Janes!!!!

what khalia my friend, do you think khilafat is still applicable in today's world.

 

[Solomon2]

Dear friends, islam does not allow terrorism...JIHAD, it is all about fairness and social justice...persecution in the name of islam in paksitan, this is either politically or crime motivated and has nothing to do with islam...The lesson here is that true muslims stand up for all weak and powerless people not go around creating trouble and terrorism...

The only lesson I'm drawing from this thread is that the Pakistanis here talk a lot about everything except what they, individually and collectively, should do!

C'mon, Mughal1. What ACTION will you vow to take to right this wrong in your community? If you don't act and let it ride, then you are condoning it - tacitly accepting its validity.

 

[pak-marine]

blasphemy laws should be abolished its nothing more than a tool for mullahs and stupid fundos to discriminate minorities, wonder how would muslims feel if western or other muslim minority countries implement such laws wouldnt that be discriminating muslims .... ??