Pakistan Behind May Attack on Indian Consulate in Herat, says Afghan Minister

[Bratva]

@Bratva @Jungibaaz Bara waqt hey aap key paas in key moonh lagney ka. Have they EVER employed logic that they will use it this time?

A propaganda left unchecked affects the minds of gullibles and was passing through insomnia so...

 

[halfilhal]

Well, since I know already that you're not sure, I knew before I asked you, I'll tell you now.

We in Pakistan seek a friendly and stable neighbour in Afghanistan and naturally we want to see a friendly or neutral government, if it's a hostile government, then they are enemies and the entire debate ends there.

Since our independence, Afghanistan was the only nation not to recognize us as a legitimate state. Since the 1950's is actively pursued anti-Pakistan policies and fuelled anti-Pakistan elements from Balochistan to NWFP. In the 1960's Daoud Khan's Pashtunistan policy led him to push Afghan military and militia into our tribal regions and Bajaur, and for the first time in our history, the army set foot in that region and together with Pakistani tribesman, their hordes became target practise, Ayub Khan punished them for this. Their support of this policy and support of Baloch militants continued into the 70's, Afghanistan was often accused of having separatist training camps inside their territory.

And then came the Soviet invasion, we became involved to protect our own interests and support those elements friendly to us, because again, the Afghans left there were causing us trouble, and whether we chose to or not, we took on millions of refugees and fighters throughout our country. The BLA rose from help in Afghanistan, in fact back then, it called itself communist so that it could receive more support form Afghan communists and Soviet invaders. Then came two civil wars which brought even more refugees and fighting in our own territory and at our doorstep, how could we not get involved? And then came another superpower pushing it's interests before the rest in Afghanistan and causing us irreparable damage the likes of which Pakistan has never seen in it's existence.

And people expect us to give up our own interests!?!? After all we've done?

'Strategic depth' is a fancy name for an old idea, we're just saving our asses, that's all strategic depth is.

Here, have a listen to this man:

Expecting us to jump off a cliff for the sake of falsely perceived morality? No thanks.

Blasphemy!!! Did you just portray Pakistan as a maiden in constant peril?

I will go with a more rational assumption as above.

 

[Omega007]

no i cant wait man , i want another meteor to strike land ...
Taliban Extinction, or maybe T-Virus out break , every Taliban become Zombies

Zombies are supposedly harder to kill you know??

 

[Kinetic]

no i cant wait man , i want another meteor to strike land ...
Taliban Extinction, or maybe T-Virus out break , every Taliban become Zombies

Yaar... every Taliban is a zombie... you know that.

Tell me where is the difference? lol

 

[Omega007]

You broke our Eastern wing the same way and have done exactly that too since.

Get off your moral high ground, you have none.

Um......but sir,your country did the same thing before 71 happened.In fact they did it twice!!Once in 47 and then in 65 - Operation Gibraltar!!Ring any bells??

Afghanistan's Karzai slams U.S., Pakistan in farewell speech | Daily Mail Online

their last corrupt president even blamed Americans as well the ones who put him in power and fed him for over a decade
he has a habit of biting the hand that feeds him
Pakistan fed this scoundrel and his family for years as well until he became a president

regardless of the worthless rants of soon to be deposed Northern alliance scum regime in Kabul
if these reports are true then its great news, Indians should get the taste of their own medicine for instigating and funding terrorism in Pakistan and Karachi via their conciliates and cultural centers in Afghanistan. they did the same thing during the insurgency in East Pakistan and they have been at it for decades in Afghanistan.

Is their any proof for your allegations of supposed Indian hand behind the terror attacks in your country??If there is,then don't you think it would be best course of action for any GoP to produce those evidences in front of everyone and bring the perpetrators to justice,like what India did after 26/11 Mumbai attacks??Do you seriously think that if GoP had any worthwhile evidences of Indian involvement,they would have just left the opportunity to embarrass India to go just like that??!!

 

[HariPrasad]

Yes i accept responsibility for this attack. Proudly

After all one truth speaking Pakistani. All others are liar.

 

[Bang Galore]

What would Pak gain after this attack?

Nuclear Pakistan's Spies Target India—and Their Own Prime Minister
By: Bruce Riedel

Just when you thought the world was dangerous enough, another crisis between nuclear weapons-armed India and Pakistan is brewing, and now al Qaeda is adding fuel to the fire by calling for jihad in the subcontinent.

Tensions have been growing all summer long, even though, ironically, things began on a positive high note: In June, newly elected Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who swept into power on a landslide, invited his Pakistan counterpart, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, to his inauguration.

Behind this unprecedented gesture, however, darker forces were planning a different sort of event. A squad of heavily armed terrorists attacked the Indian consulate in Herat, Afghanistan, right on the eve of the inauguration. They planned to take Indian diplomats hostage and then execute them as Modi was taking office. Fortunately the Indian security guards at the consulate killed all the attackers.

The U.S. State Department publicly blamed Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, the group which attacked Mumbai in 2008. LeT is very close to the Pakistani military’s Inter Services Intelligence Directorate, or ISI. LeT would not have taken such a highly provocative action without at least some advance nod from the Pakistani spies in the ISI and the generals who command them. LeT’s leader, Hafeez Saeed, lives openly in Pakistan, frequently appears on television denouncing the United States, and is the darling of the ISI.

If there is another LeT attack like the one in Mumbai or the one in Herat, it will provoke the most serious crisis in years between India and Pakistan, and the more that can be done by the United States and others to prevent such a disaster the better. But it won’t be easy.

On Wednesday, to complicate the situation further, al Qaeda released a new videotape of its leader, Ayman Zawahiri, announcing the creation of an al Qaeda franchise in India. Zawahiri made the tape in his hideout in Pakistan, no doubt, and many Indians suspect the ISI is helping to protect him. Zawahiri has longstanding links to LeT and to Saeed. The 55-minute video is Zawahiri’s first this year and threatens jihadist attacks across India.

The domestic politics of Pakistan are central to this drama, and to this threat.

One of the goals of the Herat operation was to discredit Sharif, who has no control over the ISI or the Pakistani army. Since he was elected in his own landslide victory last year, the army has become increasingly unhappy with Sharif. They are very upset that he has put the former army dictator Pervez Musharraf on trial for treason and did not just let him leave the country quietly. Musharraf ousted Sharif in a coup in 1999, and while the army doesn’t care that much for Musharraf, it does not like the judicial system holding a general accountable for coups. For them that sets a bad precedent.

The army also was unhappy with Sharif’s reluctance to take on Pakistan’s own militant extremists, the Pakistan Taliban. Sharif wanted to talk to the Taliban; the army, for once, wanted to fight. Sharif ultimately gave in.

Meanwhile, violence has surged along the line of control in Kashmir, the province disputed by India and Pakistan since 1947 and the cause of several wars. This week the Indian army discovered a tunnel built under the line to infiltrate terrorists into Kashmir. Routine diplomatic talks between India and Pakistan have been suspended because Modi called them off when Pakistani diplomats met with Kashmiri leaders, a practice previously tolerated by New Delhi. Sharif had been urging deescalating the Indo-Pakistan rivalry and cutting back on the arms race, positions the army hardliners find threatening.

Sharif has been under siege—literally—in his office in Islamabad for the last couple of weeks, surrounded by an angry mob led by Pakistan’s famous photogenic cricket star and politician Imran Khan. Allied with a Canadian-Pakistani Islamic preacher, Khan has called for Sharif to resign. His movement has little nationwide popular support and there have been no demonstrations in other Pakistani cities backing his call, but it has kept Sharif preoccupied for weeks. Khan’s critics say he is being manipulated by the ISI to try to bring down Sharif or at least to neuter him. The army and the ISI were effective in neutering Sharif’s predecessor, Asif Zardari. In fact, that was a key goal achieved by the Mumbai attack in 2008. They want to neutralize Sharif by any means possible.

In short, the Pakistani army and its ISI spies are once again playing with fire—with India, the LeT and Kashmir—in order to secure domestic gains against their civilian leaders. Sharif is a weak prime minister today, just as he was the last two times he held that position in the 1990s, but he is the elected leader of the country. He should be allowed to finish his time in office.

The U.S. should step up intelligence cooperation with India to prevent and deter attacks such as the ones in Mumbai and Herat. Even if a terrorist action cannot be foiled, the more information exchanged about Pakistani ISI involvement with LeT, the more likely the U.S. will have credibility with New Delhi if a crisis does occur.

The United States should also consider a unilateral step if another attack occurs, threatening to place Pakistan on the State Department list of states sponsoring terrorism. America would treat Pakistan as a pariah like North Korea. It certainly meets the criteria and has for decades. The first Bush administration seriously considered this measure in 1992, although such a step obviously would have immense consequences for U.S.-Pakistan relations.

A more limited option would be to target specific sanctions against individual Pakistani officials involved in supporting terrorism, like members of ISI’s “S” branch that handles liaison with LeT, the Haqqani network and others. A targeted sanctions move against specific Pakistani military officials would send a strong deterrent message to the Pakistani army and could be a warning shot before putting Pakistan on the list of terror patrons.

Finally there should be contingency planning between Washington and New Delhi about managing a future Indo-Pakistan crisis like the Mumbai crisis. This would be intended to create dialogue, not create a platform to gang up on Pakistan. But in any case it would be prudent to plan for the worst.

Nuclear Pakistan's Spies Target India—and Their Own Prime Minister | Brookings Institution

 

[bloo]

Is it me or the Pakistanis deny everything that comes their way.
Anything anti-India relating to terrorism beyond India or Pakistan is usually Pakistan's doing, rest of the non state elements are too centralized to hit India in a foreign land. Richer and more influential groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS haven't done something so bold in a foreign land without proper resources, so the obvious answer is Pakistan.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Um......but sir,your country did the same thing before 71 happened.In fact they did it twice!!Once in 47 and then in 65 - Operation Gibraltar!!Ring any bells??

absolutely correct

I am not debating the rights and wrongs here. just stating the obvious
we both , unfortunately dont get along well. we do show a little spark of love but that goes away very quickly on a slightest of provocation or an event

both countries have well documented and undocumented black ops against each other Kashmir, East Pakistan, Balochistan, Eastern Punjab to name a few. as long as we have issues, the proxy wars will continue. whether or not we like it.

few years ago BLA got so ruthless and blatant that they were openly barging and boasting the Indian help and how and where they were getting training in Afghanistan. our forces hit them inside Balochsitan and Afghanistan repeatedly which reduced their activities and now they are only able to kidnap and kill the poor laborers.

 

[Omega007]

absolutely correct

I am not debating the rights and wrongs here. just stating the obvious
we both , unfortunately dont get along well. we do show a little spark of love but that goes away very quickly on a slightest of provocation or an event

both countries have well documented and undocumented black ops against each other Kashmir, East Pakistan, Balochistan, Eastern Punjab to name a few. as long as we have issues, the proxy wars will continue. whether or not we like it.

few years ago BLA got so ruthless and blatant that they were openly barging and boasting the Indian help and how and where they were getting training in Afghanistan. our forces hit them inside Balochsitan and Afghanistan repeatedly which reduced their activities and now they are only able to kidnap and kill the poor laborers.

Guess none of the two has any moral high grounds over the other.Unfortunate,but have to live with it.

 

[Kompromat]

The terrorists behind the attack on Indian Consulate in Herat this May had links with Pakistan, Afghanistan has said.

Talking to reporters on the sidelines of a security conference in New Delhi regarding the investigations into the attack, Afghan Interior Minister Mohammed Umer Daudzai said, "Afghanistan is at the crossroads of terrorists. Any investigation into incidents of this sort will lead across the Durand Line".

Afghanistan, he also said, will renew its request for arms and military hardware from India as the US drawdown reaches its final phase over the next three months. Senior Indian security officials are scheduled to visit Kabul this month.

"India is our all-weather friend. Changes in government will not have any ill effect, rather it will have a positive impact. We have requested India for assistance in the security sector, in training, and with some equipment that we may need," he told reporters.

In April 2014, then Afghan President Hamid Karzai had requested India for over 230 types of military equipment, including helicopters and field guns. Mr Daudzai said he expected the request will be acted upon.

The 40,000 US and International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) who are still in Afghanistan, will leave between now and December. Afghanistan will continue to depend on air support from NATO and USA, the Afghanistan National Army will be the only force on the ground.

The Afghan army is expanding from 1,92,000 troops to about 2,20,000 troops and needs arms and ammunition to in the fight against the Taliban.

Afghanistan is also considering using China's leverage with Pakistan to rein in the Taliban, Mr Daudzai said.

China is interested in a stable Afghanistan because of the suspected movements of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) through Afghanistan to other central Asian Countries and China, he said. China views the ETIM as a terrorist outfit formed by Uighur militants in Western China who are attempting to secede.

Pakistan Behind May Attack on Indian Consulate in Herat, says Afghan Minister

Afghanistan is a homeless hobo who needs to come to us to eat then come back to us for dumping his load. We Don't take these hashishis seriously.