Pakistan beats India in research, not in innovation

[r3alist]

In India Out 1000 undergraduate students only 4 opt for higher studies for R&D, and rest go either to MBA,IAS or job.Doing Bsc,Msc
is seen as a faliure by many peoples including by their parents also.

Really, thats surprising, why?

 

[A1Kaid]

Number of researchers don't matter, its the quality of research that matters. If we go by scimago country ranking, India's research output is 11 times more than Pakistan

Needless to say, both countries have a long way to go

Actually the chart shows India's quantity of document output is 9 times more than Pakistan's (2011 latest year chart provides). The chart nor any of it's categories directly take into account "quality", however international cites per document can be an indicator of quality. The higher the international cites per document suggests your research paper is more circulated, read, cited, now that doesn't always mean the author citing your research paper is always agreeing with you, but it does indirectly tell us about the research paper's level prominence.

A true measure of research quality is the technological and scientific yields made the peer-reviews about the research, and the career of the researcher.

 

[Roybot]

Actually the chart shows India's quantity of document output is 9 times more than Pakistan's (2011 latest year chart provides). The chart nor any of it's categories directly take into account "quality", however international cites per document can be an indicator of quality. The higher the international cites per document suggests your research paper is more circulated, read, cited, now that doesn't always mean the author citing your research paper is always agreeing with you, but it does indirectly tell us about the research paper's level prominence.

A true measure of research quality is the technological and scientific yields made the peer-reviews about the research, and the career of the researcher.

Its 10.6 actually. For year 2011, 88,437 for India and 8,294 for Pakistan. Just getting your paper published in a peer reviewed journal is a great achievement in itself and an indicator of quality.

Cites per document for Indian papers are higher than Pakistan and even China. And then you have the H index, which is 281 for India and 101 for Pakistan, 2.8 times higher. h-index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So yeah Pakistan might have more researchers per million, but whats the point of a researcher if he just sits there and produces nothing?

 

[A1Kaid]

Its 10.6 actually. For year 2011, 88,437 for India and 8,294 for Pakistan. Just getting your paper published in a peer reviewed journal is a great achievement in itself and an indicator of quality.

Cites per document for Indian papers are higher than Pakistan and even China. And then you have the H index, which is 281 for India and 101 for Pakistan, 2.8 times higher. h-index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So yeah Pakistan might have more researchers per million, but whats the point of a researcher if he just sits there and produces nothing?

]Its 10.6 actually. For year 2011, 88,437 for India and 8,294 for Pakistan. Just getting your paper published in a peer reviewed journal is a great achievement in itself and an indicator of quality.

The chart shows the "cites per document" in 2011 for Pakistan, India, China are all sub 2, not 10.6. You claimed India's research output is 11 times that of Pakistan, when the chart you originally used showed in the category of "Documents" as in (quantity of documents), which showed India at 90,000 and Pakistan at 10,000 for 2011, that's 9 times larger not 11. Also not all research is "output" research, much of it can be private research that goes unpublished for x,y,z reasons; but that is a different aspect.

Though according to the chart, you're right in how you interpreted the H-Index, but wrong about how you were interpreting the "research output is 11 times" that of Pakistan, it would have been correct to the the quantity of documents output of India is 9 times that of Pakistan.

 

[Roybot]

The chart shows the "cites per document" in 2011 for Pakistan, India, China are all sub 2, not 10.6. You claimed India's research output is 11 times that of Pakistan, when the chart you originally used showed in the category of "Documents" as in (quantity of documents), which showed India at 90,000 and Pakistan at 10,000 for 2011, that's 9 times larger not 11. Also not all research is "output" research, much of it can be private research that goes unpublished for x,y,z reasons; but that is a different aspect.

Though according to the chart, you're right in how you interpreted the H-Index, but wrong about how you were interpreting the "research output is 11 times" that of Pakistan, it would have been correct to the the quantity of documents output of India is 9 times that of Pakistan.

Oh God, cites per document for the latest year(2011) will obviously be less. As time passes, more and more people will read the articles and cite them in their own research. I never said Indian cites per document was 10.6.

From 1996-2011, average citation per document is 7.7 for India, 6 for China, and 5.9 for Pakistan. SJR - International Science Ranking

90,000 and 10,000 for 2011 is what you are estimating by looking at the graph. Its 88,437 and 8,294 For India and Pakistan respectively. 88,437/8,294= 10.663

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Very far behind , let me know when we invent a engine for car or plane

 

[A1Kaid]

Oh God, cites per document for the latest year(2011) will obviously be less. As time passes, more and more people will read the articles and cite them in their own research. I never said Indian cites per document was 10.6.

From 1996-2011, average citation per document is 7.7 for India, 6 for China, and 5.9 for Pakistan. SJR - International Science Ranking

90,000 and 10,000 for 2011 is what you are estimating by looking at the graph. Its 88,437 and 8,294 For India and Pakistan respectively. 88,437/8,294= 10.663

90,000 and 10,000 for 2011 is what you are estimating by looking at the graph. Its 88,437 and 8,294 For India and Pakistan respectively. 88,437/8,294= 10.663

That's why I said according to the chart, you never posted the data table before when you made the 11 times more claim, nor did you provide a link in that post just the screen shot of the chart.

 

[S-DUCT]

Really, thats surprising, why?

Most of our guardian think that as soon as after boy has passed 10/10+2 grade,he should get a Job ASAP.Generally students of lower income group opt for polytechnic/ITI/diploma after 10th exam.Middle or Higher income group students would go 10+2,and after that most of them will either go for engineering/medical/CA.To get fat package,most students prefer MBA after B-TECH.

I'll tell you my story.During my IIT-JEE preparations ,I had developed a huge interest in Theoretical physics(quantum gravity,strings,black hole and all that).Keeping my Aim in my mind i cracked IIT-JEE but ,I could'nt choose my favourite subject(doing Bsc in physics) because of Parents pressure that "you'll not get a good job and if you want to Bsc in physics then why the hell you prepared for IIT-JEE!).

You see there can be a lot reasons why many students in india do not opt for higher studies,and the most important reason is that every body wants to see his/her child settle ASAP.

In my locality many students that are doing Bsc are those who did'nt qualify engineerinf entrance examinations and are poor also,so there is not much option left for them than to join Bsc and continue their education.

 

[IND151]

Number of researchers don't matter, its the quality of research that matters. If we go by scimago country ranking, India's research output is 11 times more than Pakistan

Needless to say, both countries have a long way to go

agreed...............................

It would be interesting to compare India and Pakistan in the world of science and innovation. Everybody would think that India with its high economic growth rate and world class information technology industry is miles ahead. That may not be completely true.

A recent United Nations study finds that Pakistan has more researchers for a million people than India. Pakistan has 162 researchers for a million people as compared to 135 in India.

But, when it comes to taking research to a logical and innovative end through patent registration, Pakistan is not even close to the south-Asian economic power. India has five patents for a million people, five times more than the Pakistanis.

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The reason, as indicated by data in the UN report, could be Pakistan’s poor technological infrastructure as compared to India despite the youth there showing more interest than Indians in science and technology.

That is the only saving grace for Indians in the world of science and technology.

Otherwise, the so-called emerging economic power is not even close to several nations with slower economic growth rate. Sri Lanka registers three times more patents for a million people as compared to its northern neighbour India. Even Thailand has more patents and researchers per million people than India.

Comparison of India with China or United States would be shameful. China registers over a 100 patents for a million people as compared to five for India. US, with 707 patents for a million people, is among top scientific countries in the world after two Asian research giants Japan and South Korea with over 1,000 patents for a million people.

A senior government official was hopeful of dramatic change in India’s dismal record saying recent efforts to incentivise research would show results in the coming few years.

Pakistan beats India in research, not in innovation - Hindustan Times

Thanks for info

still 5 patents is less, is should be at least 25-30

 

[Thirdfront]

Interesting. Any idea how the patents per country obtained? Is only patents filed in India counted for calculating India's output? I work in India as a consultant and filed for patents in US and Europe but not in India, will it be considered part of US or India? I know a lot of patents generated in India are filed only with US and/or Europe primarily due to lack of patent enforcement in India and majority of research is taking place with MNCs or MNC affiliated consulting firms...