Pakistan asked US to provide 10 helis and 2 AC's

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AH-1W/AH-1Z SUPERCOBRA ATTACK HELICOPTER, USA

The AH-1W SuperCobra is the US Marines' attack helicopter. It is supplied by Bell Helicopter Textron, and entered service in 1985. As well as the US Marine Corps, the SuperCobra is operational with the Turkish Land Forces and the armed forces of Taiwan. The AH-1W was deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom in March 2003.
COCKPIT

Northrop Grumman has developed the Integrated Avionics Systems for the AH-1Z. The systems include two mission computers and an automatic flight control system with four-axis Stability Control Augmentation System. Each crew station has two 8in x 6in multifunction displays and one 4.2in x 4.2in dual function display, based on active matrix liquid crystal colour technology.
The communications suite combines the new US Navy RT-1824 integrated radio, UHF/VHF, COMSEC and modem in a single unit. The navigation suite includes an Embedded GPS Inertial (EGI), a low airspeed air data subsystem, which allows weapons delivery when hovering, and digital map.
In June 2002, Thales Avionics' TopOwl helmet-mounted display system was chosen for the USMC AH-1Z. The first system was delivered in January 2003. TopOwl, also fitted on Tiger, NH90 and Rooivalk helicopters, has integrated Gen IV image intensifier and FLIR capability and provides transition from day to night use at the push of a button.
WEAPONS

The Super Cobra can carry both TOW and Hellfire anti-armour missiles and is being qualified to carry the Maverick missile. The Raytheon BGM-71 TOW missile has a range of more than 3km and semi-automatic command-to-line- of-sight guidance. The AGM-114 Hellfire missile is manufactured by Lockheed Martin. It is equipped with a semi-active laser seeker and has a range of 7km. The Super Cobra has fire-and-forget capability when firing the Hellfire missile in co-operative mode with laser target illumination.
The Super Cobra was the first attack helicopter to qualify both the Sidewinder air-to-air missile and the Sidearm anti-radiation missile. Both missiles can use the same LAU-7 rail launcher. Sidearm has a range of more than 15km. AIM-9L Sidewinder is an all-aspect, short-range, air-to-air missile produced by Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. The missile has a range of 15km.
The Super Cobra can fire the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS), formerly known as Hydra, family of guided and unguided 70mm rockets or the larger 127mm Zuni rocket bombs.
The Super Cobra carries a three-barrel, 20mm Gatling gun for close range (up to 2km) engagement and 750 rounds of ammunition. With the gun in a fixed forward position, the pilot can aim by manoeuvring the helicopter. Either crew member can slave the turret to the helmet-mounted sight and aim the gun by looking at the target.
The AH-1Z for the USMC will be armed with: 16 Hellfire missiles, six AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, 70mm rocket pods (7- and 19-shot), and a 20mm gun.
SENSORS

Targeting for the AH-1W is provided by the Night Targeting System (NTS), jointly produced by Tamam Division of Israel Aircraft Industries Ltd and Kollsman. NTS integrates a Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) which provides automatic target tracking with a laser designator / rangefinder and video recorder.
Lockheed Martin is developing a longer range Target Sight System (TSS) for the AH-1Z to replace the NTS. TSS includes a third-generation four field-of-view FLIR based on a 3-5 micron staring array, CCD colour TV, eyesafe laser rangefinder / designator and multi-target autotracker.
Longbow International (a joint venture of Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman) is developing the Cobra Radar System for the AH-1Z, based on the Longbow millimetre wave radar on the AH-64D Apache. Cobra is a pod-based radar that can be mounted on a wingtip or in a stores position. Cobra can automatically search, detect, classify and prioritise multiple moving and stationary targets. It has a range of 8km against moving and 4km against stationary targets.
COUNTERMEASURES

The H1 SuperCobra upgrade includes provision of a new electronic warfare suite. A new radar warner, the AN/APR-39(XE2) from Lockheed Martin, replaces the Lockheed Martin AN/APR-39(V)2 pulse radar warner and the AEL Industries AN/APR-44 continuous-wave radar warner. The ATK AN/AAR-47 missile warning system has been included in the upgrade suite. AN/AAR-47 uses infrared detectors to detect the missile plume. The Goodrich (formerly Raytheon) AN/AVR-2A laser warning receiver has also been added. The infrared countermeasures system is the AN/ALQ-144A developed by BAE Systems IEWS (formerly Sanders, a Lockheed Martin company). The helicopter is equipped with the AN/ALE-39 chaff and infrared flare dispenser manufactured by BAE Systems Integrated Defense Solutions (formerly Tracor) and Lockheed Martin Tactical Defense Systems.
ENGINES

Twin General Electric T700-GE-401 turboshaft engines provide a total of 2,410kW or 3,380shp (shaft horsepower). In standard conditions, with an air-to-air ordnance load, the SuperCobra can take off and climb out at more than 4.1m/s on only one engine. It can hover out of ground effect (OGE) at 914m, with a load of four TOW and four Hellfire missiles, full turret ammunition and rockets.
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AH-64A/D APACHE ATTACK HELICOPTER, USA

The Apache is a twin-engined army attack helicopter developed by McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing). It entered service with the US Army in 1984 and has been exported to Egypt, Greece, Israel, the Netherlands, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and the United Kingdom. The US Army has more than 800 Apaches in service, and more than 1,000 have been exported. The Apache was first used in combat in 1989 in the US military action in Panama. It was used in Operation Desert Storm and has supported low intensity and peacekeeping operations worldwide including Turkey, Bosnia and Kosovo. The AH-64D Longbow has been deployed by the US Army in Afghanistan as part of Operation Anaconda, in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom and, from June 2003, in South Korea.
The AH-64D Longbow is fitted with the Longbow millimetre wave fire control radar and the Longbow Hellfire missile. 500 AH-64Ds have been delivered and 380 are in service with the US Army out of a total of 501 procured - 232 new build and 269 US Army AH-64A Apaches being upgraded to AH-64D standard. Deliveries are to complete in 2006. The Longbow has also been ordered by the Netherlands (30, deliveries complete), Singapore (20, first delivered in May 2002), Israel (designated "Seraph", nine new, nine remanufactured, first delivered April 2005) and Egypt (35). A number of AH-64A helicopters have been upgraded to AH-64D standard for South Korea. The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has requested the upgrade of 30 Apaches to AH-64D longbow standard.
In August 2001, the AH-64D was selected by the Japanese Ground Self-Defence Force with a requirement for 55 helicopters. The Apache for Japan is designated AH-64DJP and is armed with Stinger air-to-air missiles. Deliveries are scheduled to begin in March 2006. In September 2002, Kuwait ordered 16 AH-64D helicopters for delivery from 2005. The Kuwaiti Apaches will be equipped with BAE Systems HIDAS defensive aids system. In September 2003, Greece signed a contract for 12 (+four options) AH-64D Longbow, also to be fitted with HIDAS.
The first of the upgraded Block II Apaches was delivered to the US Army in February 2003. Block II includes upgrades to the digital communications systems to improve communications within the 'tactical internet'. Block III improvements, slated for 2008 on, include increasing digitisation, the Joint Tactical Radio System, enhanced engines and drive systems, capability to control UAVs and new composite rotor blade. The new blades, which successfully completed flight testing in May 2004, increase the Apache's cruise speed, climb rate and payload capability.

WEAPONS
A 30mm automatic Boeing M230 chain gun is located under the fuselage. It provides a rate of fire of 625 rounds per minute. The helicopter has capacity for up to 1,200 rounds of ammunition.
The AH-64D is armed with the Lockheed Martin/Boeing AGM-114D Longbow Hellfire air-to-surface missile which has a millimetre wave seeker which allows the missile to perform in full fire and forget mode. Range is 8km to 12km. The Apache can be equipped with air-to-air missiles (Stinger, AIM-9 Sidewinder, Mistral and Sidearm) and the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS), formerly known as Hydra, family of guided and unguided 70mm rockets.
British Army AH Mk 1 helicopters are armed with the CRV7 70mm rocket system from Bristol Aerospace of Winnipeg, Manitoba.
The Longbow Apache carries the combination of armaments chosen for the particular mission. In the close support role, the helicopter carries 16 Hellfire missiles on four four-rail launchers and four air-to-air missiles.
SENSORS
The AH-64D Longbow Apache is equipped with the Northrop Grumman millimetre-wave Longbow radar. The Longbow fire control radar incorporates an integrated radar frequency interferometer for passive location and identification of radar-emitting threats. An advantage of millimetre wave is that it performs under poor-visibility conditions and is less sensitive to ground clutter. The short wavelength allows a very narrow beamwidth, which is resistant to countermeasures.
The Longbow Apache can effect an attack in 30 seconds. The radar dome is unmasked for a single radar scan and then remasked. The processors determine the location, speed and direction of travel of a maximum of 256 targets.
The Target Acquisition Designation Sight, TADS (AN/ASQ-170), and the Pilot Night Vision Sensor, PNVS (AN/AAQ-11), were developed by Lockheed Martin. The turret-mounted TADS provides direct-view optics, television and three-fields-of-view forward-looking infrared (FLIR) to carry out search, detection and recognition, and Litton laser rangefinder/designator. PNVS consists of a FLIR in a rotating turret located on the nose above the TADS. The image from the PNVS is displayed in the monocular eyepiece of the Honeywell Integrated Helmet And Display Sighting System, IHADSS, worn by the pilot and copilot/gunner.
Lockheed Martin has developed a new targeting and night vision system for the Apache, using second-generation long-wave infrared sensors with improved range and resolution. The new system is called Arrowhead and has a targeting FLIR with three fields of view, a dual field-of-view pilotage FLIR, a CCD TV camera, electronic zoom, target tracker and auto-boresight. Arrowhead entered production in December 2003 and the first unit was delivered to the US Army in May 2005. 704 US Army Apaches are to be equipped with Arrowhead by 2011.
A contract to equip the UK AH Mk1 helicopters with Arrowhead was placed in May 2005. Deliveries are scheduled for between 2009 and 2010.
COUNTERMEASURES
The Apache is equipped with an electronic warfare suite consisting of: AN/APR-39A(V) radar warning receiver from Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) and Lockheed Martin; AN/AVR-2 laser warning receiver from Goodrich (formerly Hughes Danbury Optical Systems then Raytheon); AN/ALQ-136(V) radar jammer developed by ITT; and chaff dispensers. US Army Longbow Apaches were to be fitted with the ITT AN/ALQ-211 SIRCM (Suite of Integrated Radio Frequency Countermeasures) suite, however the availability of funding for this project is uncertain. UK AH Mk 1 Apaches are fitted with BAE Systems Helicopter Integrated Defensive Aids Suite (HIDAS), also chosen by Kuwait and Greece. HIDAS, which includes the Sky Guardian 2000 radar warning receiver, entered service on the AH Mk 1 in July 2003.
Israeli AH-64D helicopters are fitted with the Elisra Seraph self-protection system, including SPS-65 missile warner and SPJ-40 radar jammer.
ENGINES
The Apache is equipped with two turboshaft engines, each providing 1265kW. The American AH-64D has General Electric T700-GE-701 engines and the UK Apache is fitted with RTM322 engines from Rolls-Royce/Turbomeca.

 

[Neo]

They are intrested if it is for free. Who would be crazy to get 10 choppers (1 squadron) and pay a lot without security of getting more spares. Pakistan showed that the regular choppers were either not good enough (Cobra is nice but Apache has better long range missiles and IR... And better armour). US delivered more Cobra (only older F version and not W (double engine) version). Now they asked to get better weapons... They have the right to do so cause the battles is for the US so why get so many Pakistani soldiers killed while they could have 10 choppers which aren't the latest tech anyway...

Such an advanced and expansive gunship will never come FOC under the EDA programme.
I wonder if US has sidelined any Apachees anyway.

 

[MOO]

Munir,

Do you have any update about PA's interst in Longbow's reported in the media back in 2002?
Isn't is a much more expansive platform than the Super Cobra?

Yes, around 36 million for the latest varient. The PAF is better off buying a fresh F16 C/D instead for that kinda price lol.

 

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They are intrested if it is for free. Who would be crazy to get 10 choppers (1 squadron) and pay a lot without security of getting more spares. Pakistan showed that the regular choppers were either not good enough (Cobra is nice but Apache has better long range missiles and IR... And better armour). US delivered more Cobra (only older F version and not W (double engine) version). Now they asked to get better weapons... They have the right to do so cause the battles is for the US so why get so many Pakistani soldiers killed while they could have 10 choppers which aren't the latest tech anyway...

Munir, dont you think that Pakistan needs high tech equipment to fight the terrorists in waziristan. Pakistan should stop all cooperations and Waziristan and the WOT until it gets the proper survaillence equipment and arms for its 80,000 troops responsible for this operation. Maybe not the predators, but certainly more Cobras or Apaches and hellfire missiles and UAVs.

 

[A.Rahman]

can we ask US to give us Chinook?
I mean Iran has it too, we need it, considering what if we are struck with another natural disaster?

 

[melb4aust]

can we ask US to give us Chinook?
I mean Iran has it too, we need it, considering what if we are struck with another natural disaster?

A kind of good question that is, but i doubt US would provide us those without any reason (i mean apart from earth quake and US personal Interests and benefits) and for free of cost, i dont think so:cool2: .

 

[RAPTOR]

A kind of good question that is, but i doubt US would provide us those without any reason (i mean apart from earth quake and US personal Interests and benefits) and for free of cost, i dont think so:cool2: .

I think an easier option would be more Russian transport helicopters.Chinooks are extremely expensive to operate and maintain. Bush Senior is going to visit Pakistan again to make sure the pledges are released from Donor countries and made available to the Earthquake victims. May god bless him! I really admire him and prez Bush for helping Pakistan during this crisis.

 

[A.Rahman]

Bush Senior is going to visit Pakistan again to make sure the pledges are released from Donor countries and made available to the Earthquake victims. May god bless him! I really admire him and prez Bush for helping Pakistan during this crisis.

you are being sarcastic rite?

 

[RAPTOR]

you are being sarcastic rite?

:p ....well lets just say that Bush Senior was on CNN and even though hes old and doesnt have to go through all that effort...He still wants to help out and he has played a big role in getting the funds released. Even his son...the current president "Personally" asked the heads of the largest corporations in the US to raise funds for the Pakistan Earthquake . For a serving US president to "personally " help out...is a big step....dont you think?

And im praising him for the Earthquake help...not the problems in the WOT and the nuclear deal with dangerous india.

 

[Spring Onion]

can we ask US to give us Chinook?
I mean Iran has it too, we need it, considering what if we are struck with another natural disaster?

yes that what i wanted to say cuz i think we are in need of these helis as we all know that chinook had played a very vital role in vacting the earthquake victims and we all know that in such a big disaster we need these chinooks.

 

[Neo]

A kind of good question that is, but i doubt US would provide us those without any reason (i mean apart from earth quake and US personal Interests and benefits) and for free of cost, i dont think so:cool2: .

Chinooks are not gunships but heavy lift choppers. UK and The Netherlands have recently ordered new batches, Pakistan could get them too if asked.
But Russian choppers can deliver the same at lower price.

 

[A.Rahman]

Chinooks are not gunships but heavy lift choppers. UK and The Netherlands have recently ordered new batches, Pakistan could get them too if asked.
But Russian choppers can deliver the same at lower price.

Can we get something like Mi-26(HALO) ?
and is Russia willing to sell us helicopters?

 

[Kaiser]

10 helicopters for fighting terrorism= Cobra
2 AC's= Either c-130 for special forces or A-10 warthhog

Pakistan should go for the russia MI-26 helicopters which is one of the best in the world and I think russia's willing to sell it. We seriously need to make a natural dizaster force where we can deploy large amounts of choppers and heavy lift aircrafts within minutes of the dizaster.

 

[melb4aust]

10 helicopters for fighting terrorism= Cobra
2 AC's= Either c-130 for special forces or A-10 warthhog

A-10 Warthog. nah man again i doubt US will provide these AC's to us. I would love to see them in our inventory but i think we are asking a bit more in terms of US cooperation in past.