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Pakistan army knew about operation against Osama bin Laden

At the end of the day you Pakistani and Indian Nationalists will continue to debate......
May Allah accept Osama bin Laden (rahihamullah) and grant him the highest level of paradise Ameen
The Mujahideen have confirmed it and Allah knows best
One may disagree with what he has done, but we can see that maybe he wanted to do good for the Ummah and Allah knows best

And there is still a Jihad in India, the Mujahideen are still active and Insha'Allah the indian polytheists will be removed from their control over Kashmir
First the priority lies on establishing Sharia in Pakistan, removing those secularists.


The most disastrous damage that OBL created was for Islam as a fate and for Muslim all around the world. This barbaric butcher and primitive terrorist indeed was responsible for the murderer of thousands of innocent people. However he wanted to pull the entire Muslim Ummah back to the dark age with no modernity and to live impoverished life, with loads of hatred against the success of the West. That was OBL's destructive legacy for Muslims: Blow yourself and kill innocent people or live miserable life with hate against non-Muslims.

You blindness to his agenda is a reflection of a very sick society. You should praise Allah for finally getting rid of this mass murderer, I personally hope he will rot in hell.
 
Hmmm..you have deep hate
He spent a vary large portion fighting for the sake of Allah, something i think you couldn't do

And he killed 3000 in WTC for the sake of Allah and thanks to him Iraq and Afghanistan got bombed while Pakistan is fighting his children who have killed 40000 innocent people!
 
Hmmm..you have deep hate
He spent a vary large portion fighting for the sake of Allah, something i think you couldn't do

I have deep hate for cursed creatures like OBL who had blood on his hands. BTW most of his victims were Muslims!

OBL's interpretation of Islam was deceitful and evil. Islam suppose to be a religions of peace and not a fate who advocates mass genocide!

Your admiration for this cruel man is beyond contempt. Your opinion is a shame and should deeply embarrass all the Muslims.
 
Provide proof that Tehreek e Taliban attack innocent civilians
And not from western sources , but from the mujahideen

OBL and Al Qaeda were proud in their barbaric terror attacks of 9/11, what more proof do you need?
 
Provide proof that Tehreek e Taliban attack innocent civilians
And not from western sources , but from the mujahideen

Ur pathetic....... those bastards caught with explosives are they mujahideen?

I hope u die in a bloody bomb attack u terrorist scum.
 
Read my posts carefully. I don't agree with Osama bin Laden on certain issues but i do have admiration for this man ( may Allah have mercy of him ) and what is apparent to us is that he died as a muslim and Allah knows best

Lol u dont agree with 9/11 and still u admire a mass murderer.......
 
I'm not talking about 9/11, im talking about attacks on Pakistani civilians
If Al Qaida did 9/11 then they did it, but if not Allah knows best, it does not concern me

Your double standard is so blatant. You do not care less for a mass murder by this OBL of innocent people because their were non-Muslims?
Why Muslim's lives are more important that others? The life of every human being should be sacred. Muslims are no better than the rest of humanity.
 
It seems your putting words in my mouth, but ive come across people like you before me

Did I tell you to admire the one who is responsible for 9/11? You do not deny it. How would you say it?

You said that you do not agree with OBL on 9/11 but you still admire him. It is like admiring Hitler although you do not agree with what he did in the Holocaust, but because he was kind to his dog!
 
Just Imagine what kind of army and what kind of army leadership engages in making fools of their own population - Kiyani's army does, every two weeks Kiyani says his army has broken the back of militants, this lie is followed by Pakistanis being blown to bits in "martyrdom operations" -- Which one of you actually believes that if Kiyanbi's army was fighting the enemies of Pakistan, that this struggle would be where it is now??

Kiyani's army lies to the people of Pakistan, it lies to it's own rank and file, it lies to the government of Pakistan, it lies to the world - fact of the matter is that Kiyani's army is very very close indeed to the extremists who every day butcher innocent Pakistanis, because to Kiyani's army, this is just politics.
 
Breaking news: As published today in the NYTimes an Army Major was one of the informants who deliver information to CIA about OBL hideout.

Hence, the Army probably knew where OBL hide and cooperated with him. Regarding the operation to kill OBL, I am quite sure, in light of the deterioration of the realtions between US and Pakistan since the operation that the latter knew nothing about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/world/asia/15policy.html?pagewanted=2&tntemail0=y&_r=1&emc=tnt
 
Pakistan army knew about operation against Osama bin Laden

Fearing a public backlash for supporting US, Pakistan has downplayed its role.

May 5, 2011 14:08

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistani officials have told GlobalPost that the Pakistani army had full knowledge of the U.S. raid that led to the death of Osama bin Laden and that it played a larger role in the operation than previously acknowledged.

The statements run counter to the public position taken by officials in both Pakistan and the United States who have so far downplayed the role Pakistan’s military and intelligence community had in the attack, saying that it was limited to a small amount of information sharing.

One senior military official, who asked not to be named because he is not permitted to speak to the press, said that Pakistani army troops were in fact providing backup support when the United States began its operations inside the compound where bin Laden had been staying, including sealing off the neighborhood where the compound was located.

Officials interviewed scoffed at the idea that Pakistan could have been unaware of the American operation.

“It’s a no-fly zone,” said a Pakistani intelligence official, referring to the area around bin Laden’s mansion and the nearby military compound. “It is impossible for U.S. helicopters to fly over there without our knowledge and permission.”

A Pakistan Air Force official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, rejected reports that U.S. special forces had jammed Pakistan’s radar system in order to circumvent the no-fly zone.

“This is totally untrue. Neither our radars were jammed nor was any scrambling of any air force plane recorded,” the official said, referring to the practice of launching aircraft in the event that the airspace has been breached. Some observers said the helicopters may have been equipped with stealth technology, but that has not been confirmed.

Residents in the area confirmed that the Pakistan army appeared to have at least some knowledge of the operation well before it began. Several residents said that two hours before the United States launched its attack, Pakistani army personnel ordered them to switch off their lights inside and outside their homes and remain indoors until further notice.

“The army personnel cordoned off the entire area long before we heard the sounds of helicopters hovering over the area,” said Zulfikar Ahmed, who lives in the Abbottabad neighborhood of Bilal Town, where bin Laden’s compound is located. Locals interviewed by the BBC and several other local and international media outlets made similar statements.

Several meetings leading up to the attack, when viewed in sum, also indicate that Pakistan might have known of the operation beforehand.

“Gen. David Petraeus paid an extraordinary visit to Islamabad on April 25,” said a senior military official said. The official said Petraeus held a one-on-one meeting with Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan’s army chief of staff, in which they discussed the details of the operation.

The next day, Pakistan’s top military body — the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee — held its quarterly session, which was attended by Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the country's intelligence chief, who is not a regular member of the body. Pasha had visited the United States to meet with the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon Panetta, on April 11.

Analysts in Pakistan said that the Pakistani government likely wanted to hide its role in the operation to avoid a backlash from the public, which has grown increasingly impatient with the United States and the growing presence of the Central Intelligence Agency inside their country.

But now international pressure is growing on the military to answer not only for its lack of support in the raid but also for not knowing about bin Laden’s hideout, which was located close to the Pakistan Military Academy. Some in the military — which has long been one of the more respected institutions in the country — are looking to correct the record.

U.S. President Barack Obama has sought to diffuse the tension since the raid took place, calling Pakistan an important ally and highlighting the intelligence sharing between the two countries that helped lead the United States to bin Laden’s compound.

In his speech on Sunday announcing bin Laden’s death, Obama recognized Pakistan’s cooperation.

"It’s important to note that our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding," the president said.

When contacted by GlobalPost about this latest information, the White House press office said all details about the operation have already been released.

White House spokesman Jay Carney on Wednesday said the United States’ relationship with Pakistan was “complicated,” but that it was important to maintain.

“The fight is not done, and we look forward to cooperating with Pakistan in the future,” he said at a White House press briefing. “As others have said, more terrorists have been killed on Pakistani soil than probably any other country. And the cooperation we’ve received from Pakistan has been very useful in that regard.”

The European Union on Thursday also came to the defense of Pakistan, calling the country an “important partner,” echoing similar statements from officials at NATO that were made on Wednesday.

Experts and analysts here in Islamabad said that the Pakistani government itself, which is concerned about appearing overly friendly with the United States and angering its citizens, is likely encouraging the United States to downplay Pakistan’s involvement in finding bin Laden and the eventual operation against him.

In fact, analysts said, the Pakistani government has long been trying to compose a storyline that it is actively working against the United States — an effort that is aimed at keeping the country’s population from rising up against the political leadership. Pakistanis have grown tired of U.S. involvement in its affairs in the last decade and ongoing drone attacks in its northern tribal belt that have killed numerous civilians.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Salman Bashir, for example, told reporters Thursday that the Pakistani military first learned about the operation when a U.S. helicopter crashed at the start of the attack.

“Pakistan’s civilian and military leadership does not want to be the center of hatred, not only within Pakistan … but also in the Arab world,” where it believes elements of the population still support bin Laden, said Najam Sethi, a political analyst in Pakistan.

But many here said this strategy could, in the end, hurt the country by making it appear more culpable than it actually is — a reality that is already beginning to take shape as the American media, and some members of Congress, asks why Pakistan hasn’t been more helpful.

In the wake of all of the criticism, some here are now calling on Pakistan’s leaders to be more forthcoming about their cooperation with the United States, especially in regard to Sunday’s raid.

“If Pakistan or U.S. officials do not publicize the cooperation between the two sides in the operation against bin Laden, Pakistan will be in serious trouble on the diplomatic front,” Sethi said.

Salim Safi, a security analyst based in Peshawar, said it seemed clear that there had been a significant amount of cooperation between the two sides — a reality that should be made public, even if Pakistani officials think it might hurt them politically in the short-term.

“The Pakistani government and the military establishment must not hide the facts from their own people,” he said. “They must come forward with the truth.”

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This is most probably true
 
Just Imagine what kind of army and what kind of army leadership engages in making fools of their own population - Kiyani's army does, every two weeks Kiyani says his army has broken the back of militants, this lie is followed by Pakistanis being blown to bits in "martyrdom operations" -- Which one of you actually believes that if Kiyanbi's army was fighting the enemies of Pakistan, that this struggle would be where it is now??

Kiyani's army lies to the people of Pakistan, it lies to it's own rank and file, it lies to the government of Pakistan, it lies to the world - fact of the matter is that Kiyani's army is very very close indeed to the extremists who every day butcher innocent Pakistanis, because to Kiyani's army, this is just politics.


Don't understand the point. What interests does Kiyani seeks in blowing up his own people??
 
Breaking news: As published today in the NYTimes an Army Major was one of the informants who deliver information to CIA about OBL hideout.

Hence, the Army probably knew where OBL hide and cooperated with him. Regarding the operation to kill OBL, I am quite sure, in light of the deterioration of the realtions between US and Pakistan since the operation that the latter knew nothing about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/world/asia/15policy.html?pagewanted=2&tntemail0=y&_r=1&emc=tnt


Then I think the army did not accepted its role because they did not wanted to be a victim of Al-Qaeda terrorism. .
 

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