Pakistan Army fired 120 missiles at terrorists dens inside Afghanistan: Afghan media

[django]

something needs to be done quick. I still standby what I said over a year ago. raise a death squad and hunt them down in afghanistan.

I suspect we have these assets already in place, remember the dude who got taken out whilst leaving NDS building, if we really wanted to we could do fire assaults all across Durand line and take out all their post (And it would not even be difficult) but from then on the Afghans would claim that they cannot stop incursions into Pak because we are responsible for decimating their forces on the border and the US would not be too happy either seeing their efforts to build up ANA going up in smoke , I believe we would see a rapid rise in terrorism emanating from across the Durand line, instead I say hit them in Kabul or Jalalabad were the ANA and NDS upper brass reside, make life hard for them personally and we may see results.Kudos bro

 

[Clutch]

Good job. About time.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Would it be possible at all to just bring all the big powers(US, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany) to the table and propose division and annexation of Afghanistan?

Tajikistan to the north can absorb the Tajik Afghan region...same goes for Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. Pakistan can get the predominantly Pukhtoon areas and the wakhan corridor. I'm not sure if they will allow Iran in this but it would be better if Iran got the areas that are somewhat culturally similar to Iranians.

Before anyone gets mad and chalks this up with colonialism and what not, do read the entire proposition. The solution is more geopolitical in nature rather than wanting territory. Hardly any country on earth would want to take the mess that is Afghanistan and sort it out.

One of the reasons why Afghanistan voted against Pakistan, doesn't want to recognize Durand line as IB, and tried to create a Pukhtoonistan movement in Pak is bcuz it wants access to the ocean. Afghanistan is landlocked and naturally it desires access to the ocean. Bcuz of this source of contention between Pak and Afghanistan, India has tried to use it to create a second front for Pak to worry about.

So if Afghanistan is split between the countries bordering it...the part going to Pak and Iran would get access to the ocean and the parts going to central Asian countries would also be fine bcuz Pak would have no problem with those countries using CPEC for trading.

Gains for Pak:
- Territory, Resources, and more manpower.
- Elimination of a possible enemy on the western front.
- Strategic depth
Challenges for Pak:
- The tribal system, gun culture, Taliban, lack of infrastructure, more mouths to feed.

Gains for Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Tajikistan/Iran:
- Territory, Resources, and more manpower.
Challenges for these countries:
- The tribal system, gun culture, Taliban, lack of infrastructure, more mouths to feed.

Gains for US/Britain/France/Germany:
- A way out of this expensive war
- With established governments able to assert control over territory taking over Afghanistan, it would restore order. It would no longer be a breeding ground for terrorist groups.
- These countries (Iran/Pak/Turkmenistan/Tajikistan/Uzbekistan) would have to guarantee and be responsible for making this region free of Taliban/ISIS/Al-Qaeda over a certain period of time.
Challenges for US/Britain/France/Germany: - Working with Pak/Iran/Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Tajikistan to see to it that the region is free of the groups that pose a threat to them.

Gains for Russia:
- An exit of US(and its allies) from Afghanistan.
- A possible opportunity to pull central Asian countries even more towards the Russian camp.
Challenges for Russia:
- As part of the group that agreed to this proposition it may have to play a role or assist the central Asian countries and possibly Iran/Pak in restoring peace and developing those Afghan regions.

Gains for China:
- An exit of US(and its allies) from Afghanistan.
- Having a second front eliminated for its key ally Pakistan so that Pakistan can play a bigger role in providing a counter balance against India.
- Opportunity to invest in the development of Afghanistan's infrastructure.
Challenges for China:
- As part of the group that agreed to this proposition it may have to play a role or assist the central Asian countries and possibly Iran/Pak in restoring peace to those Afghan regions.

Gains for Afghans:
- After decades of chaos, a chance to live peacefully.
- Better job opportunities, development of the region, better education and healthcare, a brighter future for their children, and prosperity in general compared to the current conditions.
Challenges for Afghans:
- Having to accept annexation of their country.
- Coping with a sort of new identity as a different country's citizen.
- Some initial difficulties in moving around bcuz different parts of Afghanistan would now be in different countries.

Any feedback from any member is welcome as long as it is geopolitical in nature. If u r going to write a response driven by passion of nationalism then don't bother.

@HAKIKAT @Mugwop @Joe Shearer @I.R.A @El Sidd @Signalian

 

[Imran Khan]

ye hoi na baaat great work guys

 

[I.R.A]

Would it be possible at all to just bring all the big powers(US, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany) to the table and propose division and annexation of Afghanistan?

Tajikistan to the north can absorb the Tajik Afghan region...same goes for Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. Pakistan can get the predominantly Pukhtoon areas and the wakhan corridor. I'm not sure if they will allow Iran in this but it would be better if Iran got the areas that are somewhat culturally similar to Iranians.

Before anyone gets mad and chalks this up with colonialism and what not, do read the entire proposition. The solution is more geopolitical in nature rather than wanting territory. Hardly any country on earth would want to take the mess that is Afghanistan and sort it out.

One of the reasons why Afghanistan voted against Pakistan, doesn't want to recognize Durand line as IB, and tried to create a Pukhtoonistan movement in Pak is bcuz it wants access to the ocean. Afghanistan is landlocked and naturally it desires access to the ocean. Bcuz of this source of contention between Pak and Afghanistan, India has tried to use it to create a second front for Pak to worry about.

So if Afghanistan is split between the countries bordering it...the part going to Pak and Iran would get access to the ocean and the parts going to central Asian countries would also be fine bcuz Pak would have no problem with those countries using CPEC for trading.

Gains for Pak:
- Territory, Resources, and more manpower.
- Elimination of a possible enemy on the western front.
- Strategic depth
Challenges for Pak:
- The tribal system, gun culture, Taliban, lack of infrastructure, more mouths to feed.

Gains for Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Tajikistan/Iran:
- Territory, Resources, and more manpower.
Challenges for these countries:
- The tribal system, gun culture, Taliban, lack of infrastructure, more mouths to feed.

Gains for US/Britain/France/Germany:
- A way out of this expensive war
- With established governments able to assert control over territory taking over Afghanistan, it would restore order. It would no longer be a breeding ground for terrorist groups.
- These countries (Iran/Pak/Turkmenistan/Tajikistan/Uzbekistan) would have to guarantee and be responsible for making this region free of Taliban/ISIS/Al-Qaeda over a certain period of time.
Challenges for US/Britain/France/Germany: - Working with Pak/Iran/Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Tajikistan to see to it that the region is free of the groups that pose a threat to them.

Gains for Russia:
- An exit of US(and its allies) from Afghanistan.
- A possible opportunity to pull central Asian countries even more towards the Russian camp.
Challenges for Russia:
- As part of the group that agreed to this proposition it may have to play a role or assist the central Asian countries and possibly Iran/Pak in restoring peace and developing those Afghan regions.

Gains for China:
- An exit of US(and its allies) from Afghanistan.
- Having a second front eliminated for its key ally Pakistan so that Pakistan can play a bigger role in providing a counter balance against India.
- Opportunity to invest in the development of Afghanistan's infrastructure.
Challenges for China:
- As part of the group that agreed to this proposition it may have to play a role or assist the central Asian countries and possibly Iran/Pak in restoring peace to those Afghan regions.

Gains for Afghans:
- After decades of chaos, a chance to live peacefully.
- Better job opportunities, development of the region, better education and healthcare, a brighter future for their children, and prosperity in general compared to the current conditions.
Challenges for Afghans:
- Having to accept annexation of their country.
- Coping with a sort of new identity as a different country's citizen.
- Some initial difficulties in moving around bcuz different parts of Afghanistan would now be in different countries.

Any feedback from any member is welcome as long as it is geopolitical in nature. If u r going to write a response driven by passion of nationalism then don't bother.

@HAKIKAT @Mugwop @Joe Shearer @I.R.A @El Sidd @Signalian

Your intention is noble, considering it would bring peace and prosperity to not only Afghans but the region, however your suggested solution is impractical. There are multiple reasons for that, some that I can gather based on my limited expertise in geopolitics are

• US spent more than a decade there, it chooses to remain there after elimination of the threat they came chasing in this part of the world. That points at an undisclosed motive, it can be purely economical in nature and it can be purely wish to control the region as super power, or it may very well be mix of the two.
• Afghan Taliban tend to be nationalists, there demand is no peace unless foreigners leave their country. They may for the time side with Pakistan, but come the question of division of Afghanistan they would resist it with force, and they may very well have the support of local population, which to some extent they have.
• Afghanistan remains destablised because it serves the hidden agenda(s), else I don't see any reason why nobody would wish to bring an end to the armed conflict.
• Amalgamation may also be resisted by local population of these countries, its not only acquiring new lands, its also acquiring people who didn't have access to any facility of the modern world for a very long time period.

 

[Vapnope]

Once the Yanks are out of Afghanistan the only thing Pakistan can do is to capture certain territory of Afghanistan and bargain with Afghanistan to end the Durand line mess once and for all.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Your intention is noble, considering it would bring peace and prosperity to not only Afghans but the region, however your suggested solution is impractical. There are multiple reasons for that, some that I can gather based on my limited expertise in geopolitics are

• US spent more than a decade there, it chooses to remain there after elimination of the threat they came chasing in this part of the world. That points at an undisclosed motive, it can be purely economical in nature and it can be purely wish to control the region as super power, or it may very well be mix of the two.

From what I've gathered as to why US is still there isn't bcuz US has achieved its objective and is there for some other hidden agenda...

US is still there bcuz it hasn't achieved what it set out to do. It surely did damage to the armed groups that are anti US but US hasn't really been able to dismantle these groups. If the US leaves now there is no face saving. They can't spin it in a positive light in the eyes of their citizens. Whichever president decides to pull out would have to answer "what has the US achieved from this costly war?"...

A second objective might be the resources...but in my opinion that era is long gone just like the era of colonialism. During those times foreign powers would colonize foreign lands to gain resources but nowadays it is more feasible to simply trade rather than costly invasion/occupation and having to deal with possible unrest/uprisings. The same applies to the current US situation. The last time US(or any country) was able to profit off of war like that was after WWII. With the reconstruction of Europe US companies landed huge contracts and became even bigger giants with global presence. Ever since then in all the other wars US has spent more than it has recouped. It would've been better for US to bribe Afghan officials and give them kickbacks to secure contracts for mining and whatever other resources Afghanistan has to offer. If resources is truly another goal then it's a fool's errand. There was no need to spend billions of dollars to wage this decade long war.

If US wishes to control the region then again I think it's better to court Pakistan...US can simply team up with Pak to install a pro Pak regime(that wouldn't dance to Indian tunes) in Afghanistan. In return for eliminating Indian meddling in Afghanistan, Pak can serve as a US ally in the region. This again is far cheaper than spending billions to maintain a presence there.

• Afghanistan remains destablised because it serves the hidden agenda(s), else I don't see any reason why nobody would wish to bring an end to the armed conflict.

Even if it stops serving that hidden agenda the problem would remain. No doubt relations would improve and stability would come to Afghanistan but the geostrategic problem of being landlocked remains the same...and then again the moment the political relations deteriorate between Afghan/Pak, it again would make Afghanistan insecure about having access to the ocean through Pak.

Even if the political relations between the two nations remain perfect, Afghanistan would always feel like it has to listen to Pak in everything bcuz it needs Pak to be able to trade. It would make Afghanistan feel as if Pak has some sort of power over them, which will fuel the desire of having their own access to the ocean.

So looking at it in a broader geopolitical/geostrategic manner it's not a permanent solution.

Think of the problem in reverse. Let's say Afghanistan didn't exist as a country. The territory that makes up Afghanistan today was part of Pak/Iran/Turkmenistan/Tajikistan/Uzbekistan...then some colonial power wanted to draw some arbitrary lines to create this new landlocked country called Afghanistan. Do u think it would be a good idea? Of course not...and hence this landlocked problem is the crux of the matter.

• Afghan Taliban tend to be nationalists, there demand is no peace unless foreigners leave their country. They may for the time side with Pakistan, but come the question of division of Afghanistan they would resist it with force, and they may very well have the support of local population, which to some extent they have.
• Amalgamation may also be resisted by local population of these countries, its not only acquiring new lands, its also acquiring people who didn't have access to any facility of the modern world for a very long time period.

I fully agree with this point. This would be one of the biggest challenges but I think if prosperity comes to this region the population would be ok with whatever nationality they become. Whether it's Afghans/Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis or anyone really, all of us don't mind becoming Americans/British/French/Australian citizens if it means a better future...and nothing is wrong with that it's human nature. So the only hardest part would be the first few decades. Once they become prosperous and educated(over a few generations) it should make things better.

In all honesty I don't think this "solution"(if we could call it that) would ever happen...but I think as long as Afghanistan remains landlocked, problems are bound to occur.

 

[Awan68]

Should be straight forward

• 50,000 Troops 1 General , and he picks his team air support provided to him by 4 Air-force squadrons (K-8 and F-7) and All Cobra Gunships are activated

Ground and Pound , and then confiscate Land / Cities

• Secure Kabul Airport
• Secure Afghanistan TV / Radio
• Hire 10,000 Local Troops (Fresh Units to be foot-soldiers to maintain peace)

The Pakistani General in region dictates what is to be done to the rouge groups in region once they are captured, looking at 1,000-5,000 people with rifles

• Rehabilitation program
• Prison / Rehabilitation program
• Death Sentence for Danger against Humanity

This whole Fence , sch-mence is not gona work , we need to Take over Afghan area and
Take LAND

O Bhai nato troops ka kya karen jo udhr posted hen.....

 

[I.R.A]

US is still there bcuz it hasn't achieved what it set out to do. It surely did damage to the armed groups that are anti US but US hasn't really been able to dismantle these groups. If the US leaves now there is no face saving. They can't spin it in a positive light in the eyes of their citizens. Whichever president decides to pull out would have to answer "what has the US achieved from this costly war?"...

OBL and AQ were their direct enemies, AT had no problems with them, however, what US did was support drug and war lords of Afghanistan against the AT and it still follows that strategy. OBL and AQ are gone and now there are reports of unidentified helis helping the new AQ aka ISIS ....... Which is more of a threat to Pakistan, Iran, Russia, and AT .......... so I don't accept your simple reasoning for presence of US in Afghanistan. Its turning out to be nefarious.

If US wishes to control the region then again I think it's better to court Pakistan...US can simply team up with Pak to install a pro Pak regime(that wouldn't dance to Indian tunes) in Afghanistan. In return for eliminating Indian meddling in Afghanistan, Pak can serve as a US ally in the region. This again is far cheaper than spending billions to maintain a presence there.

US at time of invading allied with anti Pakistan Northern alliance, what makes you think they will ally with Pakistan to resolve this? Keeping in view, how allied forces in Afghanistan failed to pay heed to Pakistani concerns. The alliances have changed ........ many neighboring countries feel threatened now.

Think of the problem in reverse. Let's say Afghanistan didn't exist as a country. The territory that makes up Afghanistan today was part of Pak/Iran/Turkmenistan/Tajikistan/Uzbekistan...then some colonial power wanted to draw some arbitrary lines to create this new landlocked country called Afghanistan. Do u think it would be a good idea? Of course not...and hence this landlocked problem is the crux of the matter.

Their problem is not being landlocked, if they wished they would have gained access to water courses peacefully. They are high on superiority ....... Punjabi dal khor vs them pure breed stuff.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

So they counted all 120 rockets.....
at least they can count.

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

If Pakistan has to safegurd CPEC (the only survival kit for Pakistan Economy) Pakistan has to device a strategy so that Its become "impossible" (GREEN CARD VISA = PAKISTANIs NOT ALLOWED) for Afghans to travel to Pakistan. India will not stop hating Pakistan, She will keep financing terrorist in Afghanistan against Pakistan, FITNA of D-Line that Afghans use now and then has to be sorted out and this EVIL from WEST Border has to be rooted out. Afghans are poor and India has money to buy them this equation not going to change much.

 

[Malik Usman]

120 missiles and only one wounded??? Bahut kachcha nishana lagta hai

Teach them (Afghanis) how to Lie on Media.....as you guys are expert in this.....

 

[Dazzler]

A-100 is not guided , collateral damage will be massive

A-100 is guided.

 

[Path-Finder]

I suspect we have these assets already in place, remember the dude who got taken out whilst leaving NDS building, if we really wanted to we could do fire assaults all across Durand line and take out all their post (And it would not even be difficult) but from then on the Afghans would claim that they cannot stop incursions into Pak because we are responsible for decimating their forces on the border and the US would not be too happy either seeing their efforts to build up ANA going up in smoke , I believe we would see a rapid rise in terrorism emanating from across the Durand line, instead I say hit them in Kabul or Jalalabad were the ANA and NDS upper brass reside, make life hard for them personally and we may see results.Kudos bro

What I mean to say is a actual force visible that is backed by the military. Just like Turkey has a Pro Turkey militia that is backed by their military securing a buffer inside Syria. There is no other option as our enemies are raising such terrorists against us and a mere fence will not stop them.

Regardless of who says what that includes all occupation forces who have failed to secure a inch of that country. Pakistan needs to take the initiative and start a push that secures Pakistani territory.

Relying on ANA is the biggest farce imaginable. They are a militant group of minorities(tajik,uzbek,hazara) armed and financed by US to take on a Majority ethnic group(pashtun). ANA is the enemy when they vacate areas to be handed to isis. When ANA members run and join the Taliban. Clearly when terrorists walk past their posts to attack Pakistan.

The US is desperate to talk to the Taliban they are even reaching out to anyone who can take a message to them but they are also raising isis there as a group to fight the taliban without getting their hands dirty. rapid rise of terrorism is here now!

Root of all this evil at present is the US. they are bringing isis into afghanistan which they never blabl about, yet they have the never to talk about haqqani network. still no answer about isis getting dropped by helicopters on Tora Bora.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Disagree With you Bro,
They are playing in the laps of R&AW, we need to teach them who is the boss and who is providing shelter to millions of yellow heart Afghans despite our own people sleep Hungry and murdered on daily basis by these scums on the behest on Baniya.

Direct military intervention is not the solution. Just play with them they way they are trying.