Pakistan army chief advocates dialogue on Kashmir issue

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Restoration of peace and order

“1. The Government of Pakistan should under- take to use its best endeavours:

“(a) To securethe withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have en-

tered the State for the purposes of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such ele- ments and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State;

“(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following para- graphs provide full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their views and to vote on the question of the acces-

sion of the Stat:, and that therefore they should co-operate in the maintenance of peace and order.

“2. The Government of India should:

“(a) When it is establishedto the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the Coun- cil’s Resolution of 20 January that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arangements for the cessa- tion of the fighting have becomeeffective, put into operation in consultation with the Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu

and Kashmir and reducing them progressively to tne minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the maintenance of law and order;

“(b) Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stagesand announce the completion of each stage;

“(c) When the Indian forces shall have been re- duced to the minimum strength mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following prin- ciples :

“(i) That the presence of troops should not af- ford any intimidation or appearance of intimidation to the inhabitants of the State;

“(ii) That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;

“(iii) That any reserve of troops which may be included in t1.e total strength should be located with- in their present basearea.

 

[Sankpal]

Well kashmir is muslim area isnt it?

What dialogue does india need?

Does saudi arabia go around to India whether their arabian holy cities belong to india?

Just use the nukes already

The british already made it clear.

Hindustan is India.

Hindu means hinduism.

The areas with no hindus means belong to pakistan.

India people have Problem understanding simple english much?

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More than pakistan Muslims live in India. By the way.

Also we seen two nations theory with Bangladesh.

India should get all part of j & k and if people talk about UN resolution then 1st they have to leave occupied Kashmir and then ask to India for anything.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well kashmir is muslim area isnt it?

What dialogue does india need?

Does saudi arabia go around to India whether their arabian holy cities belong to india?

Just use the nukes already

The british already made it clear.

Hindustan is India.

Hindu means hinduism.

The areas with no hindus means belong to pakistan.

India people have Problem understanding simple english much?

The problem is with your understanding. Try to follow this, if you can:

1. The British Crown Colony was given independence, except for those portions that were separated out to form the Dominion of Pakistan;
2. This was the Crown Colony, NOT the 561 princely states.
3. The 561 princely states became technically independent on the 15th August; their sovereign princes became independent rulers;
4. They were encouraged to join one or the other Dominion, ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF THE PRINCE RULING.
5. There were qualifications for this; contiguity was one.
6. The decision of the rulers had NOTHING to do with the religious beliefs of their population.

Does this help you? Please do not comment with such limitless ignorance on complicated matters of which you so obviously understand nothing. Stupid I can handle. Stupid and aggressive is a category that irritates me. You are irritating me.

@proud_indian @fsayed @Alphacharlie
@SorryNotSorry @Star Wars
@#hydra#
@navtrek @doe33

@gslv mk3 @Stephen Cohen
@SOUTHie
@AUSTERLITZ
@Jackdaws @Gurjot.S
@MandarK
@hellfire @nair @Majet Raha
@Chellam
@Navin A @MULUBJA
@AnnoyingOrange @Dem!god
@Rollno21 @wiseone2 @third eye @Guynextdoor2
@Rajaraja Chola @Abingdonboy
@gulli @The_Sidewinder
@Robinhood Pandey
@neem456

@ito @Vishwabalas @Nalini

@Tshering22 @Kal Muah

@anant_s @pothead

@Sam Vaish @deep.ocean

@Ajaxpaul @Kinetic

@Omega007 @jetray

@Dash @WhyCry

All that some Indian members have said is right, but there are major factors that the Pakistani side can quote as well. Their views are represented very well by Azlan Haidar, who has a masterly grasp of the subject (it is another thing that I do not agree with him in some important ways). Please read his views in other threads to broaden your thinking; it is worthwhile.

 

[SingaporeGuy]

The problem is with your understanding. Try to follow this, if you can:

1. The British Crown Colony was given independence, except for those portions that were separated out to form the Dominion of Pakistan;
2. This was the Crown Colony, NOT the 561 princely states.
3. The 561 princely states became technically independent on the 15th August; their sovereign princes became independent rulers;
4. They were encouraged to join one or the other Dominion, ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF THE PRINCE RULING.
5. There were qualifications for this; contiguity was one.
6. The decision of the rulers had NOTHING to do with the religious beliefs of their population.

Does this help you? Please do not comment with such limitless ignorance on complicated matters of which you so obviously understand nothing. Stupid I can handle. Stupid and aggressive is a category that irritates me. You are irritating me.



All that some Indian members have said is right, but there are major factors that the Pakistani side can quote as well. Their views are represented very well by Azlan Haidar, who has a masterly grasp of the subject (it is another thing that I do not agree with him in some important ways). Please read his views in other threads to broaden your thinking; it is worthwhile.

Thats why this problem will plague india.

Give caesar what is caesar's.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Thats why this problem will plague india.

Give caesar what is caesar's.

Right. Sure. Most of his possessions are currently now Azad Kashmir, Baltistan and Gilgit respectively.

While I admire your gymnastic dexterity in changing attitudes in mid-air, others may not be able to interpret your changed position on this matter. But then it's not your problem, is it, that you speak to the classes, and unhappily the masses do not understand you.

 

[Levina]

We have paid the price for the wars started by super powers, in the form of terrorism, extremism and economic loss.

I want to believe him.
But "dialogue" on Kashmir issue is a jaded charade.
There is no kashmir issue as such, atleast not from India's perspective, other than the cross border terrorism....which is being effectively tackled by IA.
So as I said earlier dialogue or not, Kashmir will be peaceful valley soon.

 

[jetray]

I want to believe him.

huh, seriously?

There is no kashmir issue as such, atleast not from India's perspective, other than the cross border terrorism....which is being effectively tackled by IASo as I said earlier dialogue or not, Kashmir will be peaceful valley soon.

Exactly, there is no problem. we are simply being too naive and good. It is like a robber suing you for getting injured in your house during robbery attempt. I like the current govts way of just not giving any statements but only actions.