Pakistan Army APC Inventory

[Sifar zero]

Propaganda plus captured weapons, dunno which one it was, BRAS I think.

Which gun was it?

 

[Moon]

Which gun was it?

Don't know, but it was much bigger than a Dragunov.
Plus that really doesn't matter when they have RPGs as well.

 

[Sifar zero]

Don't know, but it was much bigger than a Dragunov.
Plus that really doesn't matter when they have RPGs as well.

Can you send the pic?

 

[Zarvan]

As usual.. Pakistani do numbri was visible.... Low quality materials, less protection than claimed....

Sir why we always test APC. Why not go for MRAP like these in pictures. I mean not exactly these but of this shape and category.

 

[Moon]

Can you send the pic?

It's a QJZ-89 HMG

There are other weapons as well, including a DShK and what not.
Also loads of recoilless rifles and RPGs. The way they're getting their hands on equipments like NVGs and thermal optics, I'm afraid they might get MANPADS as well. Hence we need faster moving CAS platforms, hence why I advocate for Super Tucanos over Mi-35s...

 

[Zarvan]

Don't know, but it was much bigger than a Dragunov.
Plus that really doesn't matter when they have RPGs as well.

The real issue is IED plus suicide bombers and also RPG and Anti Air Craft Machine guns which are used in attacks. For those we need level 4 protection MRAP.

 

[iLION12345_1]

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Sir why we always test APC. Why not go for MRAP like these in pictures. I mean not exactly these but of this shape and category.

Have to justify the purchase for conventional ops too, PA doesn’t have unlimited money sadly, otherwise turkish and South African MRAPs are easy options, the latter of which we already operate.
Anything is better than a hilux so we should be happy with any such purchase.

 

[Sifar zero]

The real issue is IED plus suicide bombers and also RPG and Anti Air Craft Machine guns which are used in attacks. For those we need level 4 protection MRAP.

Use of suicide bombers by Baloch militant groups is very rare.The only case I know of is the attack on a bus carrying Chinese engineers.Aslam Achu's son was the bomber.
These guys once attacked a P3C orion with a AA gun.

 

[Moon]

Use of suicide bombers by Baloch militant groups is very rare.The only case I know of is the attack on a bus carrying Chinese engineers.Aslam Achu's son was the bomber.
These guys once attacked a P3C orion with a AA gun.

When was the Orion attacked? I didn't hear of any such incident, was it damaged? This is scary if true.

The real issue is IED plus suicide bombers and also RPG and Anti Air Craft Machine guns which are used in attacks. For those we need level 4 protection MRAP.

True, furthermore the war we're engaged in isn't static, tactics are constantly evolving.
I wish we would've made general purpose frames, on which we could build our MRAPs, trucks etc... and have a diverse fleet of vehicles all sharing similar underpinnings. Kinda like what South Africa did with the Unimog

Discontinuing Yasoob was a huge mistake

 

[Zarvan]

Use of suicide bombers by Baloch militant groups is very rare.The only case I know of is the attack on a bus carrying Chinese engineers.Aslam Achu's son was the bomber.
These guys once attacked a P3C orion with a AA gun.

IED are very common. Yes suicide bombing by BLA is rare but TTP is also active in Baluchistan.

Have to justify the purchase for conventional ops too, PA doesn’t have unlimited money sadly, otherwise turkish and South African MRAPs are easy options, the latter of which we already operate.
Anything is better than a hilux so we should be happy with any such purchase.

I seriously doubt justifying a vehicle would be that big of deal.

 

[Sayfullah]

Yes there are, BTR 4E is at the top... As of now....

If Pakistan goes for it can it get ToT and produce in HIT?

 

[Tipu7]

The vehicle, in its standard form, can provide protection against small arms fire and mine blasts. It can, however, be enhanced to provide immunity against 30mm gun rounds. The vehicle is also outfitted with automatic fire suppression and NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection systems.

The BTR-4E hull is protected against the firing of small arms 7.62mm AP (Armour Piercing) caliber and artillery shell splinters, Level 2 STANAG 4569. The BTR-4E is also equipped with an anti-mine "skirt" which improves protection against mine blast and IEDs (Improvised Explosive Devices). To increase protection of the vehicle, the turret and the sides can be fitted with slat armour to provide a higher level of protection against attack by rocket-propelled grenades and other weapons fitted with a HEAT warhead. There is also an add-on armour kit available that can provide all-around protection against weapons of 30mm caliber.

It's deployment will be area specific, not force specific.

Considering it's COIN specific acquisition, it will be limited in numbers and will deploy in hot zones.
By the way, The surplus stock of American MRAPs could have full filled this role at much cheaper and faster rate.

 

[Sifar zero]

When was the Orion attacked? I didn't hear of any such incident, was it damaged? This is scary if true.

True, furthermore the war we're engaged in isn't static, tactics are constantly evolving.
I wish we would've made general purpose frames, on which we could build our MRAPs, trucks etc... and have a diverse fleet of vehicles all sharing similar underpinnings. Kinda like what South Africa did with the Unimog

Discontinuing Yasoob was a huge mistake

Well it was in a propaganda video by BRA.They fired at a Orion while it was flying overhead.No damage to the Orion though.

 

[Moon]

Well it was in a propaganda video by BRA.They fired at a Orion while it was flying overhead.No damage to the Orion though.

Using an AA gun (25mm)? Or a HMG?

 

[Sayfullah]

Considering it's COIN specific acquisition, it will be limited in numbers and will deploy in hot zones.
By the way, The surplus stock of American MRAPs could have full filled this role at much cheaper and faster rate.

Doesn’t HIT produce Dragon APC?
Wouldn’t the cheapest option be producing more Dragon APC in HIT since the APC needed is for COIN and Dragon APC can perform well against terrorists?