Pakistan Army APC Inventory

[Zarvan]

Turkey this year is again going to reveal several new IFV and APC and MRAP. Both wheeled and Tracked it's time we slowly start inducting some of them which pass our tests I think KAPLAN 30 and Tulpar IFV are future to go enough of these M113 and there upgraded versions.

 

[JK!]

@Zarvan as a frontline platform fully agree that the M113 should be replaced in the APC role but it can still find use in other non combat roles as above. This is what the US Army will be doing with its Bradley's while a new IFV is developed.

 

[fatman17]

It's a short term solution and really only applicable for the COIN ops Pakistan is undertaking. It's going to affect the mobility capabilities of the vehicle and is unsuitable in the scenario of conventional war fighting.

@DESERT FIGHTER

The Hamza armoured vehicle is a terrible design in terms of crew safety and accessibility. Not in terms of armour itself but crew access. Please see the story in this link for an idea of what I am referring to:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/24/four-british-soldiers-killed-afghanistan

From the photos posted by myself and other members yes HIT have the ability to produced bolt on armour kits for the M113 but it is not standard issue service wide and troops are resorting to hillbilly armour.

When it was found US troops were having to do this in Iraq it caused a scandal in Congress that they were sending their guys out in vehicles not fit for purpose hence the subsequent MRAP Programs for the Marine Corps and Army.

The Dragoon vehicle is more an Internal Security/policing vehicle and Raad is a light recce vehicle. The Hamza 30mm cannon is not in service and was developed as an export product.

As @fatman17 has mentioned the Italian VCC 2 vehicles is service have come with their additional armour upgrades which is an appliqué layer of steel and bolt on armour which has Israeli origins that the Italians made their own. It's the kind of solution that the army needs for its M113 fleet which comes back to my original point. Is there a long term plan to bring these APCs up to a better standard?

upgrading the M113 is an ongoing process with priority given to strike corps mechanized units. budget restrictions is another factor. the many versions of the M113 in the military's inventory are going to soldier on for many years to come.

 

[JK!]

upgrading the M113 is an ongoing process with priority given to strike corps mechanized units. budget restrictions is another factor. the many versions of the M113 in the military's inventory are going to soldier on for many years to come.

Is this solution to ensure some mechanised capability is retained?

Where does it leave the army inducting more Talha or Saad APCs?

I'm trying to see if greater numbers of M113s lead to transition to an all Talha/Saad based fleet and/or induction of a different platform long term.

 

[fatman17]

Is this solution to ensure some mechanised capability is retained?

Where does it leave the army inducting more Talha or Saad APCs?

I'm trying to see if greater numbers of M113s lead to transition to an all Talha/Saad based fleet and/or induction of a different platform long term.

It's a hodge podge because local production cannot keep up with demand, so therefore M113s are being picked up from different sources, US EDA, Germany, Italy etc to make up the numbers. Many of these imports also require an upgrade, plus are cannabalised for spares also.

 

[JK!]

It's a hodge podge because local production cannot keep up with demand, so therefore M113s are being picked up from different sources, US EDA, Germany, Italy etc to make up the numbers. Many of these imports also require an upgrade, plus are cannabalised for spares also.

It can become a capable 21st century battlefield taxi still if upgraded properly hence my suggestion of the FNSS Upgrade as an option to ensure longevity.

When you mention demand what Fleet size is the army aiming for in total?

 

[Zarvan]

Kaplan 30

Tulpar IFV

Hopefully we would soon see these two beasts in Pakistani Inventory

 

[Rocky rock]

Kaplan 30

Tulpar IFV

Hopefully we would soon see these two beasts in Pakistani Inventory

Come on man you're spreading too many rumors these days. could you please provide single authenticate source to make this sure?

 

[Path-Finder]

Come on man you're spreading too many rumors these days. could you please provide single authenticate source to make this sure?

its Horus!!

 

[Super Falcon]

Pakistan lacks IFV we have APC M113 Which is old easy target for latest weapons we need new technology in ARMOURED PERSONAL and in IFV

 

[Rocky rock]

its Horus!!

He never mentioned anywhere before about these IFV'z?

 

[Zarvan]

Come on man you're spreading too many rumors these days. could you please provide single authenticate source to make this sure?

This is my wish not any source

 

[Path-Finder]

He never mentioned anywhere before about these IFV'z?

If you look you will find it.

 

[Zarvan]

If you look you will find it.

Are you saying @Horus mentioned Pakistan going for IFV ????

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The Kaplan 30 and Tulpar are basically competing products - an army would only select one. I don't know anything about Pakistan's IFV plans (or lack thereof), but if it is looking at Turkish options, it will wait to see which model the Turkish Army itself chooses. Why? Scale.