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Dunya TV Special: Khan gets up and close with Pakistan Army’s tanks,
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follow the link to the Video documentation !

Dunya News: Dunya TV Special-part All-2015-09-06-Dunya News Special: Qas.
 
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i honestly don't understand this turret upgrade for al-zarrar
the original turret of the t-69 is still there it appears they just welded thin steel plates on top of the classic round dome turret
the welding also seems to be poorly done
PA needs to upgrade it tank fleet with advance heavy tanks or buy more helicopters
for comparison here is leopard tanks both look more advance than any of our tanks

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i honestly don't understand this turret upgrade for al-zarrar
the original turret of the t-69 is still there it appears they just welded thin steel plates on top of the classic round dome turret
the welding also seems to be poorly done
PA needs to upgrade it tank fleet with advance heavy tanks or buy more helicopters
for comparison here is leopard tanks both look more advance than any of our tanks
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i honestly don't understand this turret upgrade for al-zarrar
the original turret of the t-69 is still there it appears they just welded thin steel plates on top of the classic round dome turret
the welding also seems to be poorly done

This is not an upgrade

Such ' local modifications' are done to serve as spaced armour to beat Chemical energy projectiles.
 
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i honestly don't understand this turret upgrade for al-zarrar
the original turret of the t-69 is still there it appears they just welded thin steel plates on top of the classic round dome turret
the welding also seems to be poorly done
PA needs to upgrade it tank fleet with advance heavy tanks or buy more helicopters
for comparison here is leopard tanks both look more advance than any of our tanks


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Well there is a huge misconception about that Al-Zarrar tank picture. It primarily is used to show the failure of armored core but...you must know that Tanks are not good in counter insurgency role. Even Israelis and American Tanks are getting beaten in that roles. Just recently in Yemen Saudis armored divs had to withdraw multiple times.... because there were become easy targets in close corner combats...
 
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Well there is a huge misconception about that Al-Zarrar tank picture. It primarily is used to show the failure of armored core but...you must know that Tanks are not good in counter insurgency role. Even Israelis and American Tanks are getting beaten in that roles. Just recently in Yemen Saudis armored divs had to withdraw multiple times.... because there were become easy targets in close corner combats...
Depends upon the capability of an army, quality of equipment and environment.

Operation Phantom Fury is a role-model for the entire world for successful combat operations against powerful insurgency in an urban environment involving use of armored vehicles, troops and airborne assets with effective coordination: Operation Phantom Fury – Beginning of the End of al Qaeda in Iraq | Armchair General | Armchair General Magazine - We Put YOU in Command!

The enemy had been preparing for the inevitable assault for months. They had built barricades, set IEDs and dug in deep. Most of the four-thousand jihadists were there to fight and die. Task Force Blue Diamond, the 1st Marine Division, led with their tanks. The 70-ton armored vehicles were unstoppable. They mowed down fanatic fighters in the streets and blew through barricades as enemy RPGs bounced off their thick skins, leaving little more than black scorch marks. Four battalions of Marine infantry swarmed into the city behind the armored juggernaut. The insurgents tried to stand and fight. It ended badly for those that thought they could defeat American tanks and Bradleys.

Chinese research analysis of Operation Phantom Fury: https://sa.rochester.edu/jur/issues/fall2007/chang.pdf (PDF file)
 
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surely you need better than upgraded T59 alzaraar. these ancient tanks over 50 years old .

Documentry should have been BASEDon your mighty AL KHALID
 
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i honestly don't understand this turret upgrade for al-zarrar
the original turret of the t-69 is still there it appears they just welded thin steel plates on top of the classic round dome turret
the welding also seems to be poorly done
PA needs to upgrade it tank fleet with advance heavy tanks or buy more helicopters
for comparison here is leopard tanks both look more advance than any of our tanks


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Clever idea to add steel plates on the turret of a very easily recognise able type of tank.
 
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This is not an upgrade

Such ' local modifications' are done to serve as spaced armour to beat Chemical energy projectiles.

Just its a 9 ton local modification .. A 43.7 ton tank...
Which include Thetis FCS,new 125mm smoothbore,ERA,NBC,composite armour,RCS,IBMS,Jammers,warning system,auto loader etc etc .. Just over 54 modifications..

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i honestly don't understand this turret upgrade for al-zarrar
the original turret of the t-69 is still there it appears they just welded thin steel plates on top of the classic round dome turret
the welding also seems to be poorly done
PA needs to upgrade it tank fleet with advance heavy tanks or buy more helicopters
for comparison here is leopard tanks both look more advance than any of our tanks


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That's not steel plates but composite & NERA modules .. That saved the tank crew from multiple RPG hits n IEDs.

The Leo upgrade uses the same armour .. The same modules.

What's the background of this journalist Wajahat Khan?

I liked his We are Soldiers series.

Did his masters from Harvard... Covered afghan war for US ... Worked as journalist n editor? For NBC news,Dawn etc.

Covered PA ops against Taliban - believe he was embedded or something..
 
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surely you need better than upgraded T59 alzaraar. these ancient tanks over 50 years old .

Documentry should have been BASEDon your mighty AL KHALID

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i honestly don't understand this turret upgrade for al-zarrar
the original turret of the t-69 is still there it appears they just welded thin steel plates on top of the classic round dome turret
the welding also seems to be poorly done
PA needs to upgrade it tank fleet with advance heavy tanks or buy more helicopters
for comparison here is leopard tanks both look more advance than any of our tanks


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@Jat Boy


Whats your background to make such baseless statements ? Do you know anything about military warfare ? I will take the time to give you a equal response in minutes.

The Al-Zarrar Tanks are not our frontline Tanks, but the second line. While moving exposed in an urban environment, dismounted Pakistani infantry troops may be subjected to intense hostile fire, sources of which are difficult to locate. Normal small unit weapons lack adequate firepower for subduing well protected enemy bunkers and, especially, carefully camouflaged positions in buildings. Decentralized tactical movements through built-up areas results in severe difficulties in maintaining control and mutual identification. In this type of situation, the danger of fratricide casualties also becomes acute. This inferiority can be compensated for by using armored vehicles like the ones available Tank Al-Zarrar. Al-Zarrar Tank are adequately protected by add-on armor or other protective suites capable of withstanding Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPG).
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The Pakistani Al-Zarrar Tanks can be deployed as support weapons for infantry assaults, an infantry support weapon in the breakthrough of defence lines role. Once an attack supported by infantry, tanks had broken through heavily defended areas in the enemy lines, faster tanks such as Al-Khalid or T-80 UD can expected to use their higher speed and longer range to operate far behind the front and cutlines of supply and communications or attack enemy Tank formations. Tanks and other armored vehicles are not invincible, especially in urban terrain, where they are vulnerable to attacks from close range by man-portable anti-tank weapons such as RPGs. Since the urban scenario has no "frontline", attacks can come not only from the front, where the tanks are heavily protected, but also from above, and from the flanks or the rear, aiming at the vehicle's weak spots. Attacks by IEDs and mines can also come from below the surface. The picture of the destroyed Al-Zarrar Tank seen above took a lot of hits and even then the crew survived. More importantly it served as magnate for TTP fire enabling other units to locate their ambush locations.
Although urban warfare is not exactly the tanker's dream, a significant number of future battles will inevitably take place in this environment. The value of tank support cannot be underestimated in this high-risk environment, in which a commander wishes to use all available combat elements in order to reduce casualties. Modifications to tanks for use in urban combat conditions will continue to make them indispensable partners in the future war fighting team.

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The advantage of such Independent Al-Zarrar Brigades is their Fast and close fire support which no other weapon in our inventory can give and that at LOW costs, while they can easily join the heavier and modern armored units as second attack line, here we come to the tactic which is called Panzerkeil.

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The panzerkeil is an offensive formation used by armoured corps. The tanks would form into awedge-shaped formation, with the most heavily armed and armoured Tanks forming the tip, that are the Al-Khalid and T-80UD Tanks, ,T-85IIMP upgraded the base (where available), with the Al-Zarrar the wings.
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There are many other tactic and strategies why Pakistan armoured Corps did make the decision not scrap the
Type-59IIM but to give them a second live !




What's the background of this journalist Wajahat Khan?

I liked his We are Soldiers series.

Khan was born in Quetta, Balochistan and was schooled at the Karachi Grammar School where he was the editor of the school magazine, The Grammarian. He majored in Political Science and History from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor where he reported for and edited The Michigan Daily. He is also the first Pakistani to have been nominated as a fellow at Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, Harvard University.......
 
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surely you need better than upgraded T59 alzaraar. these ancient tanks over 50 years old .

Documentry should have been BASEDon your mighty AL KHALID


I have not seen the documentary yesterday only the trailer, because my Internet had some problems, now I have seen it and it was awesome and impressive to see the well trained and high motivated 6th armoured Division of Pakistan Army.....showing Alkhalid was not necessary because the documentation is made for public not foreign military observers !
 
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@Jat Boy


Whats your background to make such baseless statements ? Do you know anything about military warfare ? I will take the time to give you a equal response in minutes.

The Al-Zarrar Tanks are not our frontline Tanks, but the second line. While moving exposed in an urban environment, dismounted Pakistani infantry troops may be subjected to intense hostile fire, sources of which are difficult to locate. Normal small unit weapons lack adequate firepower for subduing well protected enemy bunkers and, especially, carefully camouflaged positions in buildings. Decentralized tactical movements through built-up areas results in severe difficulties in maintaining control and mutual identification. In this type of situation, the danger of fratricide casualties also becomes acute. This inferiority can be compensated for by using armored vehicles like the ones available Tank Al-Zarrar. Al-Zarar Tank are adequately protected by add-on armor or other protective suites capable of withstanding Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPG).
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The Pakistani Al-Zarar Tanks can be deployed as support weapons for infantry assaults, an infantry support weapon in the breakthrough of defence lines role. Once an attack supported by infantry, tanks had broken through heavily defended areas in the enemy lines, faster tanks such as Al-Khalid or T-80 UD can expected to use their higher speed and longer range to operate far behind the front and cutlines of supply and communications or attack enemy Tank formations. Tanks and other armored vehicles are not invincible, especially in urban terrain, where they are vulnerable to attacks from close range by man-portable anti-tank weapons such as RPGs. Since the urban scenario has no "frontline", attacks can come not only from the front, where the tanks are heavily protected, but also from above, and from the flanks or the rear, aiming at the vehicle's weak spots. Attacks by IEDs and mines can also come from below the surface. The picture of the destroyed Al-Zarrar Tank seen above took a lot of hits and even then the crew survived. More importantly it served as magnate for TTP fire enabling other units to locate their ambush locations.
Although urban warfare is not exactly the tanker's dream, a significant number of future battles will inevitably take place in this environment. The value of tank support cannot be underestimated in this high-risk environment, in which a commander wishes to use all available combat elements in order to reduce casualties. Modifications to tanks for use in urban combat conditions will continue to make them indispensable partners in the future war fighting team.

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The advantage of such Independent Al-Zarrar Brigades is their Fast and close fire support which no other weapon in our inventory can give and that at LOW costs, while they can easily join the heavier and modern armored units as second attack line, here we come to the tactic which is called Panzerkeil.

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The panzerkeil is an offensive formation used by armoured corps. The tanks would form into awedge-shaped formation, with the most heavily armed and armoured Tanks forming the tip, that are the Al-Khalid and T-80UD Tanks, ,T-85IIMP upgraded the base (where available), with the Al-Zarrar the wings.
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There are many other tactic and strategies why Pakistan armoured Corps did make the decision not scrap the
Type-59IIM but to give them a second live !






Khan was born in Quetta, Balochistan and was schooled at the Karachi Grammar School where he was the editor of the school magazine, The Grammarian. He majored in Political Science and History from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor where he reported for and edited The Michigan Daily. He is also the first Pakistani to have been nominated as a fellow at Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, Harvard University.......
A most informative post and excellent rebuttal to @Jat Boy .kudos
 
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follow the link to the Video documentation !

Dunya News: Dunya TV Special-part All-2015-09-06-Dunya News Special: Qas.


This guy is kind of stupid. I remember in his "We are soldiers" series, he said the G3 has a max range of 500m, and a 5.56 M4, not even M16 is better and has more range than a 7.62x51 G3.

Either POF made G3s are low quality and can't hit anything beyond 500m, or this guy's information is incorrect.

@Jat Boy


Whats your background to make such baseless statements ? Do you know anything about military warfare ? I will take the time to give you a equal response in minutes.

The Al-Zarrar Tanks are not our frontline Tanks, but the second line. While moving exposed in an urban environment, dismounted Pakistani infantry troops may be subjected to intense hostile fire, sources of which are difficult to locate. Normal small unit weapons lack adequate firepower for subduing well protected enemy bunkers and, especially, carefully camouflaged positions in buildings. Decentralized tactical movements through built-up areas results in severe difficulties in maintaining control and mutual identification. In this type of situation, the danger of fratricide casualties also becomes acute. This inferiority can be compensated for by using armored vehicles like the ones available Tank Al-Zarrar. Al-Zarar Tank are adequately protected by add-on armor or other protective suites capable of withstanding Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPG).
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The Pakistani Al-Zarar Tanks can be deployed as support weapons for infantry assaults, an infantry support weapon in the breakthrough of defence lines role. Once an attack supported by infantry, tanks had broken through heavily defended areas in the enemy lines, faster tanks such as Al-Khalid or T-80 UD can expected to use their higher speed and longer range to operate far behind the front and cutlines of supply and communications or attack enemy Tank formations. Tanks and other armored vehicles are not invincible, especially in urban terrain, where they are vulnerable to attacks from close range by man-portable anti-tank weapons such as RPGs. Since the urban scenario has no "frontline", attacks can come not only from the front, where the tanks are heavily protected, but also from above, and from the flanks or the rear, aiming at the vehicle's weak spots. Attacks by IEDs and mines can also come from below the surface. The picture of the destroyed Al-Zarrar Tank seen above took a lot of hits and even then the crew survived. More importantly it served as magnate for TTP fire enabling other units to locate their ambush locations.
Although urban warfare is not exactly the tanker's dream, a significant number of future battles will inevitably take place in this environment. The value of tank support cannot be underestimated in this high-risk environment, in which a commander wishes to use all available combat elements in order to reduce casualties. Modifications to tanks for use in urban combat conditions will continue to make them indispensable partners in the future war fighting team.

View attachment 272914

The advantage of such Independent Al-Zarrar Brigades is their Fast and close fire support which no other weapon in our inventory can give and that at LOW costs, while they can easily join the heavier and modern armored units as second attack line, here we come to the tactic which is called Panzerkeil.

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The panzerkeil is an offensive formation used by armoured corps. The tanks would form into awedge-shaped formation, with the most heavily armed and armoured Tanks forming the tip, that are the Al-Khalid and T-80UD Tanks, ,T-85IIMP upgraded the base (where available), with the Al-Zarrar the wings.
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There are many other tactic and strategies why Pakistan armoured Corps did make the decision not scrap the
Type-59IIM but to give them a second live !






Khan was born in Quetta, Balochistan and was schooled at the Karachi Grammar School where he was the editor of the school magazine, The Grammarian. He majored in Political Science and History from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor where he reported for and edited The Michigan Daily. He is also the first Pakistani to have been nominated as a fellow at Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, Harvard University.......

Kudos! Very informative.
 
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This guy is kind of stupid. I remember in his "We are soldiers" series, he said the G3 has a max range of 500m, and a 5.56 M4, not even M16 is better and has more range than a 7.62x51 G3.

Either POF made G3s are low quality and can't hit anything beyond 500m, or this guy's information is incorrect.



Kudos! Very informative.


thx you are welcome, I think he talked about the effective range and not the maximum, can you hit with your eyes a target beyond 300 meters ?

Khan can visit Pakistan Army Bases and front line so often he want,at the end he will remain a journalist, like we are only readers in PDF, so its OK if he makes some failures about military information. Did you served in the Army or in a Force, do have weapon experience ? If so, may be you can share it with us :)

A most informative post and excellent rebuttal to @Jat Boy .kudos


Thx you are most welcome ;)
 
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