Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is free to use the F-16s to defend Pakistan against any adversary

[LeGenD]

In theory and practice they could; but the moving parts involved in it and the customer impact makes it impossible.

If you shut down GPS for Pakistan, all other military clients will start doubting the systems reliability.

They will not shut down GPS for Pakistan unless US and Pakistan exchange blows (God forbid). This is an extreme measure and you are correct in pointing out that this measure won't be implemented in situations that do not concern US directly; not expected in PAK vs. India scenario for instance.

Nevertheless, no country has anything remotely close to GPS in coverage and effectiveness for military applications. Chinese quantum communications are not up to the task either.

 

[sparten]

GLOSNOSS is superior to GPS in pretty much every way.

 

[LeGenD]

GLOSNOSS is superior to GPS in pretty much every way.

GLOSNASS (correct spelling), and no. GLOSNASS is great for certain ends, but GPS has no substitute.

 

[sparten]

GLOSNASS (correct spelling), and no. GLOSNASS is great for certain ends, but GPS has no substitute.

GPS was designed for an is optimised for navigation at sea.
GLONASS is for land ops.

 

[VCheng]

They will not shut down GPS for Pakistan unless US and Pakistan exchange blows (God forbid). This is an extreme measure and you are correct in pointing out that this measure won't be implemented in situations that do not concern US directly; not expected in PAK vs. India scenario for instance.

Nevertheless, no country has anything remotely close to GPS in coverage and effectiveness for military applications. Chinese quantum communications are not up to the task either.

The GPS signal can remain untouched but there are many layers of complexity built within the Link16 system itself.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Naa yara we wanted the 16s for the Afghan miscreants who fly very high on Ganja. They need to be brought back to the grou d so 16s with AMRAAMS were approved for the PAF.
A

PAF remembers what happened after 65 and during 71 no spares for US equipment.
Let us be realistic for once

 

[araz]

PAF remembers what happened after 65 and during 71 no spares for US equipment.
Let us be realistic for once

The response was humerous one in response to the post by Imran Khan. If you want a serious response ask a serious question and I will try to answer. I know pretty well what the 16s are for and where and when they can be used. I also think that the US will not interfere between a Indo Pak contest. And why should they as this is free publicity for their arms.
However the overall question of possessing US origin arms is a different one as now the geo political game is out into the open andUS and Pak will be unnatural allies. So the complexity level of that equation is a lot higher to answer. Incidentally as per UN charters you are not supposed to sell arms to a region which is a conflict zone . So the US was right to stop arms supply in 65 and 71. However why do we blame outsiders when our own retards who made the decisions at critical junctures did not establish defen e industries in Paklands or dpecialized steel plants. We did not agree to producing tanks in Pakistan. Why then do we blame others.

A

 

[MM_Haider]

In theory and practice they could; but the moving parts involved in it and the customer impact makes it impossible.

If you shut down GPS for Pakistan, all other military clients will start doubting the systems reliability.

US can do it against Pakistan and other clients will not care... we just saw in recent conflict no one stood by us.. we need to fight our war ourselves!

instead of being part of Biedu Pakistan should develop iyts own navigation system like India is doing... https://beebom.com/what-is-glonass-and-how-it-is-different-from-gps/

 

[ziaulislam]

US can do it against Pakistan and other clients will not care... we just saw in recent conflict no one stood by us.. we need to fight our war ourselves!

instead of being part of Biedu Pakistan should develop iyts own navigation system like India is doing... https://beebom.com/what-is-glonass-and-how-it-is-different-from-gps/

1st get your economy straight ..than go for jv

 

[Baghial]

It is getting ridicilious as we keep seeing them argue more and more about it!!
Showing an AIM-120 as proof that an F16 was shot!! Then saying it was proof that it was used. Stupid.

What else we bought them for? To pluck kino from plants in sargodha? Pagal hein yeh log. Surely we can and will use F-16 where required.

As per my understanding, even on that day F-16s were flying CAP inside Pakistan as routine. It was the strike package DG ISPR told about when he said no F-16 was involved and there were none indeed. The strike package that struck targets inside india was made up of Mirage and JFT

Amrika gave AAMRAAMS . TO MAKE GHOBI GHOSHT??

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

United states is a very unreliable partner. We should get out of any confracts with them. It is better to have inferior weapons than no weapons .

 

[CodeforFood]

1st get your economy straight ..than go for jv

I think this needs to happen in tandem. There is no end state for better economy. Something should be initiated to have satellite network. Without eyes and ears, as simple as it sounds, one is blind and deaf.

 

[Humble Analyst]

The response was humerous one in response to the post by Imran Khan. If you want a serious response ask a serious question and I will try to answer. I know pretty well what the 16s are for and where and when they can be used. I also think that the US will not interfere between a Indo Pak contest. And why should they as this is free publicity for their arms.
However the overall question of possessing US origin arms is a different one as now the geo political game is out into the open andUS and Pak will be unnatural allies. So the complexity level of that equation is a lot higher to answer. Incidentally as per UN charters you are not supposed to sell arms to a region which is a conflict zone . So the US was right to stop arms supply in 65 and 71. However why do we blame outsiders when our own retards who made the decisions at critical junctures did not establish defen e industries in Paklands or dpecialized steel plants. We did not agree to producing tanks in Pakistan. Why then do we blame others.

A

First of all thanks for the response
I merely made a statement based upon the fact that what embargoes were faced by Pak after 65 and 71. There was no question from my side.
If you know so much then you may know that during 71 parts for US equipment were obtained from the black market through friendly and non friendly countries. Pak did not learn from that lesson and even about three years ago an effort was made to purchase 8 block 52, which was cancelled due to price change etc. F 16 became a comfort zone for PAF in the last two decades.
I will not go into details just to score points in a discussion. Indians who lobbied to cancel the sale of the last batch of F16 to PAF were in some way working against their own interest. I will not elaborate this because you understand.

 

[HAIDER]

So I was following the discussion on a post of Sir Kaiser Tufail and I personally asked for his permission to share the information here as a reminder since U.S has reportedly showed concern if F-16s were used or not.


Question :" Sir what is all this saga about F16s not being able to use? Not even for self defence. To me its such an irritant."

His statement : " PAF is free to use the F-16s for whatever mission it sees suitable, and against any country it sees as an adversary. There is NO clause that limits us on either of these grounds. Now India, through its influential lobby in the Senate and Congress, is trying to go all out to get USA to impose some sort of employment limitations on the F-16s. We are going to care a hoot about this issue and use them for the purpose we bought them for: beating the enemy with them, whoever dares to cast an evil eye."

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I doubt this statement, certain restrictions apply. And those who are top post in PAF knows.

 

[Strike!]

‘No India-specific condition attached with F-16 deal’

ISLAMABAD: Former vice chief of the air staff Air Marshal Shahid Latif, who had signed the agreement of latest 18 F-16 Block-52 purchased by Pakistan from Washington in 2008, has categorically said that no India-specific condition was attached in this defence deal.

Talking to The News, the retired air marshal said he had signed this agreement on behalf of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) as deputy chief of air staff (operations). He explained that Pakistan can use the F-16 jets for its defence against any country, including India.

Although, DG ISPR Major General Asif Ghafoor has already clarified that Pakistan did not use the F-16 aircraft in the recent air conflict between Pakistan and India, Washington said it was trying to find out if Pakistan used US-built F-16 jets to down two Indian warplanes, potentially in violation of US agreements.

The US embassy in Islamabad was also quoted by the media to have said on Sunday last, “We are aware of these reports and are seeking more information. We take all allegations of misuse of defence articles very seriously.”

The former vice air chief, however, strongly rejected that any such condition was attached in the F-16 deal between Pakistan and the US. He wondered if Pakistan was bound not to use these F-16s against India, then why the country would have purchased it. “We did not need a toy,” he said, adding that Pakistan can use F-16s for its defence against any country, including India.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/440275-no-india-specific-condition-attached-with-f-16-deal