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[volatile]

why you say like this ?

why you say like this ?

Wait, India is a source of PAF strategy now for you?

 

[GriffinsRule]

why you say like this ?

why you say like this ?

You linked an Indian website's article authored by an ex Indian military buy which quotes "according to an article published by Asia News International, a Delhi-based news agency", sourcing another Indian source.
That is what my remark was about

 

[Armchair]

I think the F-16s, particularly the older ones are pretty heavily used. With current levels of constant high alert against the Indian border, I doubt airframe life will remain for a good chunk of them by 2030. Already by 2025 Pak will begin to have problems.

The airframe is not a simple aluminum alloy frame like the Mirages. There is extensive composite use and this makes it very difficult to keep them operational beyond a certain life span. If supply of parts runs dry, problems will be multiplied.

Even USAF is having very similar problems maintaining their F-15s and F-16s already and are being forced to procure new F-15s. Apparently cheaper and considerably less hassle than maintaining older F-15Cs.

Then there is replacement from accidents - 10 already lost. All aircraft don't age equally so you will have lemons to deal with. You will have problem aircraft that will need replacement by 2025.

There is one other option - lowering airframe hours by introducing a suitable LIFT. Perhaps that is what Pak is getting from Italy.

 

[Yasser76]

I think the F-16s, particularly the older ones are pretty heavily used. With current levels of constant high alert against the Indian border, I doubt airframe life will remain for a good chunk of them by 2030. Already by 2025 Pak will begin to have problems.

The airframe is not a simple aluminum alloy frame like the Mirages. There is extensive composite use and this makes it very difficult to keep them operational beyond a certain life span. If supply of parts runs dry, problems will be multiplied.

Even USAF is having very similar problems maintaining their F-15s and F-16s already and are being forced to procure new F-15s. Apparently cheaper and considerably less hassle than maintaining older F-15Cs.

Then there is replacement from accidents - 10 already lost. All aircraft don't age equally so you will have lemons to deal with. You will have problem aircraft that will need replacement by 2025.

There is one other option - lowering airframe hours by introducing a suitable LIFT. Perhaps that is what Pak is getting from Italy.

These F-16s went through Falcon Up and Falcon Star upgrade only 10 years ago so they could have another 20 years of life.

 

[air marshal]

https://falcons.pk/photo/Chengdu-F-7P/2317

 

[blain2]

I think the F-16s, particularly the older ones are pretty heavily used. With current levels of constant high alert against the Indian border, I doubt airframe life will remain for a good chunk of them by 2030. Already by 2025 Pak will begin to have problems.

The airframe is not a simple aluminum alloy frame like the Mirages. There is extensive composite use and this makes it very difficult to keep them operational beyond a certain life span. If supply of parts runs dry, problems will be multiplied.

Even USAF is having very similar problems maintaining their F-15s and F-16s already and are being forced to procure new F-15s. Apparently cheaper and considerably less hassle than maintaining older F-15Cs.

Then there is replacement from accidents - 10 already lost. All aircraft don't age equally so you will have lemons to deal with. You will have problem aircraft that will need replacement by 2025.

There is one other option - lowering airframe hours by introducing a suitable LIFT. Perhaps that is what Pak is getting from Italy.

All PAF F-16s have gone through FALCON UP / STAR upgrade which has increased airframe life to 8000 hours. I don't anticipate the Air Force to have to face such issues for at least a decade plus.

 

[air marshal]

https://falcons.pk/photo/JF-17-Thunder/2755

 

[litman]

I think the F-16s, particularly the older ones are pretty heavily used. With current levels of constant high alert against the Indian border, I doubt airframe life will remain for a good chunk of them by 2030. Already by 2025 Pak will begin to have problems.

The airframe is not a simple aluminum alloy frame like the Mirages. There is extensive composite use and this makes it very difficult to keep them operational beyond a certain life span. If supply of parts runs dry, problems will be multiplied.

Even USAF is having very similar problems maintaining their F-15s and F-16s already and are being forced to procure new F-15s. Apparently cheaper and considerably less hassle than maintaining older F-15Cs.

Then there is replacement from accidents - 10 already lost. All aircraft don't age equally so you will have lemons to deal with. You will have problem aircraft that will need replacement by 2025.

There is one other option - lowering airframe hours by introducing a suitable LIFT. Perhaps that is what Pak is getting from Italy.

as per the recent intervew of kaiser tufail pakistani F-16s after upgradation can fly for decades to come. however pakistan will need a better fifth gen jet in near future.

watch from 09:35

 

[Trailer23]

This video is clearly old, as you may notice no one is wearing face masks. My guess, IDEAS 2018.

For some odd reason, Samaa FM decided to upload it last week.

Don't really know much about the K-8, but wondering..., what the hell is a Aim-9P at 02:35?!!

Jets covered: K-8 & JF-17.

@denel ​

@araz @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Hodor @Knuckles @Adam_Khan @Akh1112 @Blacklight @Falcon26 @GriffinsRule @HRK @HawkEye27 @khanasifm @Mirage Battle Commander @mingle @NA71 @Pakistani Fighter @PanzerKiel @Path-Finder @Signalian @Stealth @TheTallGuy @Tps43 @ziaulislam @PradoTLC @khail007

 

[Akh1112]

This video is clearly old, as you may notice no one is wearing face masks. My guess, IDEAS 2018.

For some odd reason, Samaa FM decided to upload it last week.

Don't really know much about the K-8, but wondering..., what the hell is a Aim-9P at 02:35?!!

Jets covered: K-8 & JF-17.

@denel ​

@araz @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Hodor @Knuckles @Adam_Khan @Akh1112 @Blacklight @Falcon26 @GriffinsRule @HRK @HawkEye27 @khanasifm @Mirage Battle Commander @mingle @NA71 @Pakistani Fighter @PanzerKiel @Path-Finder @Signalian @Stealth @TheTallGuy @Tps43 @ziaulislam @PradoTLC @khail007

Yep, Chinese aircraft can carry western munitions, atleast stuff that doesnt rely on external guidance. Western IR AAMs have been carried by Chinese PAF platforms for decades

 

[blain2]

This video is clearly old, as you may notice no one is wearing face masks. My guess, IDEAS 2018.

For some odd reason, Samaa FM decided to upload it last week.

Don't really know much about the K-8, but wondering..., what the hell is a Aim-9P at 02:35?!!

Jets covered: K-8 & JF-17.

@denel ​

@araz @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Hodor @Knuckles @Adam_Khan @Akh1112 @Blacklight @Falcon26 @GriffinsRule @HRK @HawkEye27 @khanasifm @Mirage Battle Commander @mingle @NA71 @Pakistani Fighter @PanzerKiel @Path-Finder @Signalian @Stealth @TheTallGuy @Tps43 @ziaulislam @PradoTLC @khail007

AIM-9Ps were specifically integrated by the PAF with the Shenyang F-6s in the 70s. They have the same wiring and systems integration on the K-8's FCR. By default that is not the case. PAF also ensured the same could be done with JF-17's weapons and avionics bus.

 

[fatman17]

And before my Pakistani followers ask...@LockheedMartin did not know of any proposed F-16V upgrade to the #PakAF.

 

[fatman17]

Alan Warnes

And before my Pakistani followers ask...@LockheedMartin did not know of any proposed F-16V upgrade to the #PakAF.

 

[fatman17]

JF17B at AVIC

 

[air marshal]

https://falcons.pk/photo/Lockheed-F-104B-Starfighter/965