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[fatman17]

The @NigAirForce Commander, AM Sadique Abubakar recently revealed to me the #JF-17s will be housed at Makurdi Air Base or at Bauchi currently being modernised. I guess later will be used for anti Boko Haram terrorist (BHT) ops in north east. The jets will be delivered in Nov.

 

[Maxpane]

In fact, FC-31 is not another "JF-17" from the beginning.

SAC just takes it as a replacement for J-10 and J-15.

no no am talking about the team which played a very vital role in the development of jf 17 is also working on project azm

 

[fatman17]

The head of the Nigerian Air Force

, Air Marshal Sadiq Abubakar, has revealed that three JF-17s, which the country ordered, will arrive home in November this year. He made the disclosure during the Passing Out Parade of the Basic Military Training Course 40 on February 15. In March 2019, Pakistan’s Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) announced that it had approved the sale of three JF-17s to Nigeria under a $184 million US contract. It is likely that the NAF will follow-up this contract with a follow-on order to fully replace its legacy F-7Ni and FT-7Ni fighters. Through the JF-17, Nigeria possesses one of Sub-Sahara Africa’s most well-equipped fighters.

JF-17 Block III Fierce Dragon/Thunder

The first JF-17 Block III prototype (#3000) just returned to the CAC airfield from its maiden flight on December 15, 2019. As the latest variant of JF-17, Block III carries PAF's ambition to counter IAF's most powerful 3.5th generation fighter Rafale. The aircraft is expected to feature a more powerful engine (WS-13E? 9,000kg class), a new AESA radar developed by NETRI/14th Institute (KLJ-7A, range 170km, track 15, engage 4) or by the 607 Institute (LKF601E, air cooled), HMDS, IRST, upgraded EW suite, new datalink, full authority digital FBW and a variety of air-to-air and air-to-ground guided weapons including PL-10E IIR guided AAM as well as PL-15E active radar homing AAM (using twin launch rails). Additional hard points are installed including ones underneath the engine air intake for ECM or targeting pod. Images of the first flight indicated the JF-17 Block III prototype features a J-20 style narrow frame wide-angle holographic HUD (EHUD-2?), a slightly enlarged spine, and new forward MAWS sensors behind the engine air intakes. The rear MAWS sensors were relocated to the EW compartment on top of the vertical tail fin as well. Otherwise the overall aerodynamic configuration remains the unchanged and the aircraft is still powered by the original RD-93 engine. The latest report (February 2020) suggested that the KLJ-7A AESA radar has been chosen by PAF.
- Last Updated 2/8/19

 

[araz]

JF-17 Block III Fierce Dragon/Thunder

The first JF-17 Block III prototype (#3000) just returned to the CAC airfield from its maiden flight on December 15, 2019. As the latest variant of JF-17, Block III carries PAF's ambition to counter IAF's most powerful 3.5th generation fighter Rafale. The aircraft is expected to feature a more powerful engine (WS-13E? 9,000kg class), a new AESA radar developed by NETRI/14th Institute (KLJ-7A, range 170km, track 15, engage 4) or by the 607 Institute (LKF601E, air cooled), HMDS, IRST, upgraded EW suite, new datalink, full authority digital FBW and a variety of air-to-air and air-to-ground guided weapons including PL-10E IIR guided AAM as well as PL-15E active radar homing AAM (using twin launch rails). Additional hard points are installed including ones underneath the engine air intake for ECM or targeting pod. Images of the first flight indicated the JF-17 Block III prototype features a J-20 style narrow frame wide-angle holographic HUD (EHUD-2?), a slightly enlarged spine, and new forward MAWS sensors behind the engine air intakes. The rear MAWS sensors were relocated to the EW compartment on top of the vertical tail fin as well. Otherwise the overall aerodynamic configuration remains the unchanged and the aircraft is still powered by the original RD-93 engine. The latest report (February 2020) suggested that the KLJ-7A AESA radar has been chosen by PAF.
- Last Updated 2/8/19

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The highlighted bits are of interest to me. So in essence we are talking about 10 HPs including ability to mount a twin rail for AAMs. I think I would not want anything more than that in a light weight fighter. All other additions have already been discussed
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[The Eagle]

The highlighted bits are of interest to me. So in essence we are talking about 10 HPs including ability to mount a twin rail for AAMs. I think I would not want anything more than that in a light weight fighter. All other additions have already been discussed
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In my opinion, there is reason for wing root strengthening and a larger wingspan as compare to Block-II. That will in-fact help to take a bit more payload & so to house more fuel internally. A dual rack pylon and one extra hard point under right side inlet/intake which by rough estimate calculates as 8 on wings, 1 center line & 1 under inlet equaling to 10 in total. A will? there is a way, I say. Now comes the tricky part for max load capacity and then powering the AESA as well that warrants the Power Plant question but that's unclear to me yet whether will be RD-93MA or one of WS (Chinese) series. Just guessing.

 

[MIRauf]

There is nothing wrong with J-16's radar.
Besides, SAC and CAC don't build radars.

I was referring to initial batch, which per rumors had Radar that didn't meet PLAAF requirement ( rejected by PLAAF. ) As I wrote, was rumored, and am not dishing the current radar on J-16 or implying as such, apologizes if it came out that way.

 

[fatman17]

In my opinion, there is reason for wing root strengthening and a larger wingspan as compare to Block-II. That will in-fact help to take a bit more payload & so to house more fuel internally. A dual rack pylon and one extra hard point under right side inlet/intake which by rough estimate calculates as 8 on wings, 1 center line & 1 under inlet equaling to 10 in total. A will? there is a way, I say. Now comes the tricky part for max load capacity and then powering the AESA as well that warrants the Power Plant question but that's unclear to me yet whether will be RD-93MA or one of WS (Chinese) series. Just guessing.

in my opinion PAF will stick with the RD series as there seems to be no supply issues direct or indirect. HST, im sure a prototype fitted with the Chinese WS type will be tested.

 

[The Eagle]

in my opinion PAF will stick with the RD series as there seems to be no supply issues direct or indirect. HST, im sure a prototype fitted with the Chinese WS type will be tested.

No doubt about satisfaction with RD by PAF as stated by officials on many accounts including performance & supply. My guess was wild because of alleged need of more power having AESA & payload. In view of supply, depot level maintenance or even a repair/overhaul facility pretty much suggests RD to be continued be it RD-93MA. I don't know if PAF will suddenly switch to WS (Chinese) series for unknown reasons and stops with more RDs. Not to forget that WS hasn't yet reached to the level of maturity, at-least in public domain.

I think we have seen one JF-17 Thunder with possibly WS Engine in past.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

three JF-17s to Nigeria under a $184 million US contract

3 jets for that high price?

 

[ARMalik]

According to the Book China's Military Modernization: Building for Regional and Global Reach By Richard D. Fisher up to 500 RD-93 were purchased for JF-17. I assume this would also include spare engines. Hence it is nearly improbable that PAF would switch JF-17 RD engines with an alternate engine.

https://books.google.com.au/books?i...akistan buys hundreds of rd-93 engine&f=false

 

[razgriz19]

Support system, training, infrastructure, probably also includes the cost of spares, weapons, etc

Aircraft isn't like buying a car or motorcycle. There's more to it than meets the eyes

3 jets for that high price?

 

[fatman17]

No doubt about satisfaction with RD by PAF as stated by officials on many accounts including performance & supply. My guess was wild because of alleged need of more power having AESA & payload. In view of supply, depot level maintenance or even a repair/overhaul facility pretty much suggests RD to be continued be it RD-93MA. I don't know if PAF will suddenly switch to WS (Chinese) series for unknown reasons and stops with more RDs. Not to forget that WS hasn't yet reached to the level of maturity, at-least in public domain.

I think we have seen one JF-17 Thunder with possibly WS Engine in past.

WS engine would be fitted for export orders as Russia could raise objection for certain countries.

 

[jupiter2007]

Any news of J-10C coming to Pakistan?

 

[GriffinsRule]

Any news of J-10C coming to Pakistan?

Next year ... for joint exercises Im sure

 

[LKJ86]

Next year ... for joint exercises

This year