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[fatman17]

3 JF17B are under construction at CAC, Chengdu with 2 to be delivered to the PAF and the 3rd example for further testing and evaluation at CAC.

 

[volatile]

3 JF17B are under construction at CAC, Chengdu with 2 to be delivered to the PAF and the 3rd example for further testing and evaluation at CAC.

Hi Can you please also share if the production JF17 B will be same as per flight tested one or we can see some tweeks

 

[CriticalThought]

3 JF17B are under construction at CAC, Chengdu with 2 to be delivered to the PAF and the 3rd example for further testing and evaluation at CAC.

Sir can you please share the specs for JF17B? Things like payload, combat radius, max speed, engine being used etc.

 

[fatman17]

Sir can you please share the specs for JF17B? Things like payload, combat radius, max speed, engine being used etc.

The only difference is the slanted tail fin and the 2nd seat. The engine is the same, slight difference in payload bcuz of the 2nd seat. JF17B will be used as LIFT in the PAF, Whether it's going to be armed or unarmed we have to wait. Remember a few FT7P in PAF service were unarmed, as they didn't have the built in cannon.

 

[khanasifm]

I think the weight normal take off went up to 9400 kg vs 9000kg pretty good comparing additional ejection seat plus other stuff in cockpit plus additional tanks to add fuel , fuel is same range and other specs should be same as well or close to single seater the max take off went to ?? But assuming catac was displaying 13.5 tons and another website stating 4600 kg external load who know unless specs were displayed at Paris air show ??

 

[khanasifm]

Per Alan warren based on his recent visit and discussion with paf chief jf will not be LIFT

looks like k8 is LIFT for now

 

[fatman17]

YJ-12 is first of the new generation of supersonic long-range AshMs which just entered the service with PLAN. A model of a mysterious supersonic ASM similar to French ASMP was first unveiled at the 2006 Zhuhai Airshow underneath the wing of a JH-7. However the initial speculation of a twin side air intake design as the possible configuration of YJ-12 turned out to be false. Developed by CASIC, YJ-12 appears bigger than Russian Kh-31 but smaller than Kh-41. It features an integrated liquid fuel ramjet engine with a solid rocket booster. Four long narrow air intakes are attached to the body in an "X" arrangement. The missile is thought to have a cruise speed of Mach 2.5-3.5 and a range of 150-300km, depending on its cruising altitude. It typically flies a low-high-low profile. After launched from the carrier, it first climbs and cruises at a relatively high altitude before diving to a sea-skimming level at terminal stage and performs large-scale maneuvers to avoid interception. Compared to the earlier YJ-83, YJ-12 is thought to carry a large warhead (250kg) capable of inducing substantial damage to large surface ships including aircraft carrier. YJ-12 was believed to have been test-fired from modified H-6G prototypes between 2009 and 2010 and currently is in service with PLAN H-6G (x2). The missile was speculated to be carried by PLAN J-15A/B (x1), J-16H (x2) and H-6KH (x6). YJ-12 was officially unveiled during the 2015 VJ Day Parade in Beijing. Its export version was first unveiled at the 2016 Zhuhai Airshow as CM-302.

- Last Updated 6/28/17

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Per Alan warren based on his recent visit and discussion with paf chief jf will not be LIFT

looks like k8 is LIFT for now

The PAF was complaining that all of today's LIFT options were overkill in features and capabilities...and it's right.

Of the options available, not a single one is a pure low-cost trainer, but rather light fighters with stripped-down sub-systems. As a result, the PAF found that the operating costs of some of these LIFT was close, if not higher, than that of the JF-17 and F-16.

Alan Warnes said the PAF will use FT-7P in the LIFT role for the time being.

Theory: I believe the PAF would ultimately prefer a modern, but simple and low-cost platform for LIFT. It is waiting for the Turkish Freedom Trainer.

Sierra Nevada Corp's is partnering with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) to develop the Freedom Trainer, which they say is ... "a purely a fly-by-wire trainer, seeming to leave little design margin for secondary light-attack or aggressor roles. Instead, the aircraft digitally replicates radar intercepts, precision-guided munition drops and the use of targeting pods." It'll be powered by two FJ44-4M turbofans, a low-cost simple non-ITAR engine.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/sierra-nevada-corp-tai-team-offer-freedom-trainer-t-x

 

[CriticalThought]

The PAF was complaining that all of today's LIFT options were overkill in features and capabilities...and it's right.

Of the options available, not a single one is a pure low-cost trainer, but rather light fighters with stripped-down sub-systems. As a result, the PAF found that the operating costs of some of these LIFT was close, if not higher, than that of the JF-17 and F-16.

Alan Warnes said the PAF will use FT-7P in the LIFT role for the time being.

Theory: I believe the PAF would ultimately prefer a modern, but simple and low-cost platform for LIFT. It is waiting for the Turkish Freedom Trainer.

Sierra Nevada Corp's is partnering with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) to develop the Freedom Trainer, which they say is ... "a purely a fly-by-wire trainer, seeming to leave little design margin for secondary light-attack or aggressor roles. Instead, the aircraft digitally replicates radar intercepts, precision-guided munition drops and the use of targeting pods." It'll be powered by two FJ44-4M turbofans, a low-cost simple non-ITAR engine.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/sierra-nevada-corp-tai-team-offer-freedom-trainer-t-x

Sir, then what is the purpose of JF-17B?

 

[fatman17]

Sir, then what is the purpose of JF-17B?

If not LIFT, then OCU and for export customers esp in the 3rd world. It will help with sales orders.

 

[CriticalThought]

If not LIFT, then OCU and for export customers esp in the 3rd world. It will help with sales orders.

If it gets RD-93 MA with higher thrust, the payload should go up correspondingly. With better payload and power it could serve roles of wild weasel, strike, and even mini-command control from where wing commanders can see over the battle, especially inside enemy territory. The platform has a lot of potential in it. Even for third party customers, a 25+ million dollar jet should provide much more than LIFT or OCU.

 

[fatman17]

If it gets RD-93 MA with higher thrust, the payload should go up correspondingly. With better payload and power it could serve roles of wild weasel, strike, and even mini-command control from where wing commanders can see over the battle, especially inside enemy territory. The platform has a lot of potential in it. Even for third party customers, a 25+ million dollar jet should provide much more than LIFT or OCU.

Let the B evolve, it's too early to say what's gonna happen. 2 examples are being sent to Kamra for a reason.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Let the B evolve, it's too early to say what's gonna happen. 2 examples are being sent to Kamra for a reason.

when are they coming to Kamra?

 

[X_Killer]

Need to invite a couple of MKIs for tea and blast them out of the sky to show Nigerians who is boss.

You need a very tight sleep in urgent.
Cheers

3 JF17B are under construction at CAC, Chengdu with 2 to be delivered to the PAF and the 3rd example for further testing and evaluation at CAC.

CONSTRUCTION ??
LMFAO

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

If it gets RD-93 MA with higher thrust, the payload should go up correspondingly. With better payload and power it could serve roles of wild weasel, strike, and even mini-command control from where wing commanders can see over the battle, especially inside enemy territory. The platform has a lot of potential in it. Even for third party customers, a 25+ million dollar jet should provide much more than LIFT or OCU.

Like the others, the JF-17B is also overkill for what the PAF envisions as a LIFT. For now, only the SNC-TAI Freedom Trainer matches the PAF's vision.