Pakistan adrift without leader

[cactuslily58]

if u say so! however if you r implying that Musharraf is a tinpot, i disagree with you. he is admired around the world as a world Leader (even in India if i may say so). he has made one mistake (dismissing the CJ) which has un-ravelled all the good work he and his administration did in the last 8 years.

Well, good luck to you.

How he runs his country is no concern of anyone else's. The only point I wish to make is that if the goal posts keep shifting how will the game progress ? ..and it does not not matter who wins.. the rules for the game must be the same for all & remain unaltered.

Lastly, anyone can make a mistake..undoing & learning from it is more important ( & of course not repeating it again !).

 

[Mansoor A Qureshi]

If you bother to look at the constitution of both the countries you will get an ans to your Q.

The underlying theme is the same.Power is with the people & NOT with a tinpot who can abrogate / twist/ bend/ the constitution any time he feels thru the barrel of the gun.

Continuity is another issue which kings may provide but dictators cannot. This list is endless...

Here i would like to congratulate Indian People, Bearocracy and last but not the least the Indian Army not to involve in any sort of coup and attack against democracy, as far as i am concern Musharaf has done nothing good for Pak, We lack sincere leaders and a corrupt system cant manufacture nor create good and sincere leaders.

Regards

 

[Flintlock]

Here i would like to congratulate Indian People, Bearocracy and last but not the least the Indian Army not to involve in any sort of coup and attack against democracy, as far as i am concern Musharaf has done nothing good for Pak, We lack sincere leaders and a corrupt system cant manufacture nor create good and sincere leaders.

Regards

Irrespective of the situation at the grassroots, India has usually had a few wise men at the top to ensure that things run smoothly.
Pakistan unfortunately, has not been so lucky.

 

[cactuslily58]

Here i would like to congratulate Indian People, Bearocracy and last but not the least the Indian Army not to involve in any sort of coup and attack against democracy, as far as i am concern Musharaf has done nothing good for Pak, We lack sincere leaders and a corrupt system cant manufacture nor create good and sincere leaders.

Regards

The partition of our sub continent did not leave wise men on one side & rascals on the other. Both of us have our share of both. In fact if the population of India is X no of times more than Pakistan, we have so many more of both categories. Our politicians will figure in the 1st five of of any list of short sighted & corrupt politicians in the world.Its just that the system ( re election.. wherein no one can be sure of being elected again, media,judiciary etc ) applies the corrections.

Sincere leaders are surely therein Pakistan too, but how do you expect a someone to stand up tall when he is admonished every time he makes an error ? Let him ( read the system) learn & evolve itself through its own mistakes.

In any case, I feel Pakistan has gone thru its most forgettable times when there have been men in uniform at the helm, so how is one worse than the other ?

 

[araz]

if u are presuming that i am asking the military to take over, then it is in-correct. i am totally against military involvement in the running of the country's affairs.

King of Jordan said in a CNN interview that the meaning of Democracy can be different for different countries and i tend to agree with him.

Fatman.
At no stage did I think you were implying that. The problem we have is that because there are so many interruptions in the political process, people do not know any better than NS and AZ. give it 3-4 rounds of wrestling between the 2, and the country's situation ebbing and flowing, like the 90,s do you think any of these morons would have still been standing in the electoral process. I am sure we would have moved on to other faces, who will probably still loot the country but put some money into development. Beleive me , we will never sort ourselves out till dross like Ganja and Zardari are hung out to dry in some desert. Things need to move on, even at the risk of the country getting bankrupt. WHY? because I think the leadership issue is more important than the economy of the country. The moment we have relatively honest and skilled people come into politics, things will start changing for the better. In 2 decades of honest leadership Pakistan will be a new country.
WaSalam
Araz

 

[blain2]

Here i would like to congratulate Indian People, Bearocracy and last but not the least the Indian Army not to involve in any sort of coup and attack against democracy, as far as i am concern Musharaf has done nothing good for Pak, We lack sincere leaders and a corrupt system cant manufacture nor create good and sincere leaders.

Regards

While Indian democracy has survived and thrived, it has not been without glitches. State of emergency has been imposed multiple times by democratic governments in India in the past which remain a stain on the Indian democracy.

The point being that nothing is perfect. US democracy has its own challenges. The fact that only two platforms are allowed to contest the elections and only two points of view are put up for voting goes against the spirit of democracy. This has caused a lot of heartburn for people in the US who cannot relate to the platforms offered. This is a form of disenfranchisement which in other shapes thrives in countries like Pakistan and India as well.

 

[Flintlock]

While Indian democracy has survived and thrived, it has not been without glitches. State of emergency has been imposed multiple times by democratic governments in India in the past which remain a stain on the Indian democracy.

Emergency was imposed 3 times, twice during war and once during the Khalistan crisis.
All 3 times it was a constitutional emergency.

 

[blain2]

Emergency was imposed 3 times, twice during war and once during the Khalistan crisis.
All 3 times it was a constitutional emergency.

That does not negate the fact that it caused a disruption in the normal democratic process (at least Indra Gandhi received a lot of flak for her imposition of emergency). Reasons for imposition of emergency on the Pakistan side can also be ascribed to "constitutional emergency".

 

[Flintlock]

That does not negate the fact that it caused a disruption in the normal democratic process (at least Indra Gandhi received a lot of flak for her imposition of emergency). Reasons for imposition of emergency on the Pakistan side can also be ascribed to "constitutional emergency".

The emergency was imposed under the conditions dictated by the constitution.
I agree that during Indira Gandhi's reign, things were looking shaky.

In the case of Pakistan, there have been multiple coups, which are not constitutional, and there have been sweeping changes in the constitution which were never approved by a parliament.
So the two cases are quite different.

 

[mujahideen]

I second Niaz sahib's list.

Indeed a good list. Their is only one person missing. The second Prime Minister of Pakistan, Khawaja Nazimuddin. One of the most unselfish leaders in our history. His dismissal was the biggest mistake and I will say it again the biggest mistake taken by our political leaders. Besides Quaid-I-Azam and Laiquat Ali he was the only other person who could of kept Pakistan together in my opinion. When he was dismissed from office he didn't have a place to live, he gave up everything for Pakistan and we gave him nothing.

 

[mujahideen]

Irrespective of the situation at the grassroots, India has usually had a few wise men at the top to ensure that things run smoothly.
Pakistan unfortunately, has not been so lucky.

It has to do with leadership and you are right India has politicians who will never share the light with the military, but we have goons who will sell their souls.
In my opinion Nehru was the reason why India has been a sucessful democracy. Nehru was an unchallenged leader for almost 17 years. We had Laiquat Ali, but unfortunately he was killed after 5 years.

 

[vish]

It has to do with leadership and you are right India has politicians who will never share the light with the military, but we have goons who will sell their souls.
In my opinion Nehru was the reason why India has been a sucessful democracy. Nehru was an unchallenged leader for almost 17 years. We had Laiquat Ali, but unfortunately he was killed after 5 years.

I agree with you 100%. Indians despise Nehru, and rightfully so, for the 1962 debacle. But most forget his role in creating an independent judiciary and not-interested-in-politics military by ensuring that the generals stay under the babus.

 

[kidwaibhai]

i think i am the eternal optimist in the bunch here i think that with the media now it will be very hard for anyone to mount a coup. i mean look at how they completely destroyed musharraf. if this was the time of the Ptv, musharraf could have almost done anything and there would have been very minute or small impact but we all saw what conspired. i think that if the judiciary is restored which i think it will. if the PPP wants to stay in power. i believe nay i hope and pray that this nation that is facing unlikely odds at these most dangerous of times will most likely survive and come out with shining glory and prosperity