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Pakistan has pitched in with a renewed and upgraded proposal to buy or take on lease about 100 rail engines from India for re-starting its defunct train services. October last year, Pakistan had initially proposed the purchase/lease of 50 train engines form India. The Indian Railways had


shot down the proposal on grounds of the "corporate risk" involved, as also because of the high domestic demand for train engines in India.
Of its fleet of 520 locomotives of the Pakistan Railways (PR), only 76 were operational in the month of March 2012. Acute shortage of locomotives has forced the Pakistan Railways to suspend operations of as many as 128 passenger trains.

Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai met Chairman, Railway Board Vinay Mittal last week to pursue Pakistan's proposal.

The fresh proposal is understood to have been made by Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari during his luncheon meeting with Indian premier Manmohan Singh at New Delhi on April 8.

Indian Railways officials are still disinclined to do business with Pakistan, unless the neighboring country provides advances commitments for simplifying Visa procedures and for providing diplomatic immunity for Indian engineers that will need to be deputed to that country as technical support staff.

The sale or lease of engines to Pakistan will imply a training aspect, as also the sourcing of a substantial supply of spares form India, including consumables like filters, oils and greases.

Pakistan needs to make advance commitments for permitting the easy flow of men, material and spares from India, sources said.

Mathai is understood to have assured Mittal that he would attempt to address concerns of the Indian Railways officials at the diplomatic level.

Options being considered includes the possibility of the lease or sale of new engines (WMD3D type) for approximately Rs.7 crores apiece, or the rehabilitated (WDM2 type), which come at a lesser price of Rs.4.5 crores apiece. The option of offering old, retrofitted engines is also being considered.

Pakistan Railways have failed to handle maintaince of train engines, either on account of financial crisis or because of the non-availability of skilled manpower.

The Chinese engines fleet available in Pakistan has gone out of service because of the reported lack of support from Chinese suppliers.

The Indian Railways has 4,214 electric and 6,000 diesel engines in its inventory. Approximately, 500 engines roll out from its two public sector manufacturing units each year, but the public transporter is still unable to meet its domestic demand of around 700 train engines annually.

The Indian Railways have remained massively short of its Vision-2020 target of manufacturing 1,200 train engines annually.

Pak makes fresh offer for engines Rlys wary
 
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i think india is circulating fake deals,like electricity and railways because i dont see pak media reporting
 
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Trade should not stop!! If India is producing something that can be sold in Pakistani market so we should do that.. The only thing to tackle about is the money part. If that is good and India has the capacity to accommodate the demand then I don't see there is any problem..
 
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i think india is circulating fake deals,like electricity and railways because i dont see pak media reporting

Knocking on neighbours’ doors: Energy-starved Pakistan looks to India for electricity

ISLAMABAD:
Energy-starved Pakistan has already looked west, to Iran, for gas necessary to generate much needed power for the country’s industries and consumers.
Now it’s looking east, to India. Pakistan hopes to import 500 megawatts (MW) from its arch-rival and neighbour, according to Federal Secretary for the Ministry of Water and Power Qazi Imtiaz Ahmed.
Tenders will be issued soon, after the planned deal is formally approved by the federal cabinet, Ahmed told The Express Tribune. He hoped the plan would be approved in the cabinet’s next meeting.
The official said the government aimed to finalise the modalities, tariffs and terms and conditions for the import of power as soon as possible.
“We will invite power supply companies of India for the implementation of the project soon,” he said.
What has already been decided bilaterally is that a 45-kilometre-long, 220 kV line will be constructed within six months of a formal agreement on the project. The agreement will be valid for five years, and will be negotiable for another five years or more.
Looking west
Meanwhile, a high-level delegation from the ministry is expected to visit Tehran by the end of this month to negotiate terms and conditions for the import of 1,000MW of electricity from Iran.
“Islamabad has asked Tehran to arrange a meeting of the Pakistani negotiating team with its Iranian counterpart by the end of April or by May 10,” Qazi said. Iran’s offer to supply 1,000MW of electricity was made a while back – but bureaucratic obstacles had resulted in a long delay over bilateral negotiations.
Currently, Pakistan is importing 70MW of electricity from Iran for the coastal city of Makran in Balochistan. Tehran is also preparing to export 100MW of electricity to Gwadar within next few months. The secretary confirmed that an advance payment has already been issued by Pakistan to Iran for the Gwadar project.
Failure to pay bills
Secretary Ahmed was candid about the government’s failure to produce enough power. The ministry of water and power had been unable to clear outstanding dues – worth over Rs350 billion – to be paid to power producing companies.
He remarked that there were two major reasons for the massive default: ‘’First, the federal government has not paid a subsidy amount of Rs150 billion so far, secondly, our people have not been able to collect another Rs150 billion from major consumers.”
He added that the total amount that the ministry has to pay to oil and gas companies is not Rs450 billion as suggested by media reports.
In spite of its cash woes, the government will have to build major power producing projects within the next five years – or else, the present shortfall of 6000MW will increase.
The cash-strapped government has also been unable to start construction on the Bhasha Dam project, as it has failed to meet the $11 billion required for it.
The secretary added that the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led consortium is trying to arrange the required financial resources. He added that the Friends of Pakistan forum is expected to join the consortium.
Published in The Express Tribune, April 22nd, 2012.

Knocking on neighbours
 
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last i heard was that PR ordered few engines, india denied it saying that they cant even meet their own demands, might have changed their minds i guess
 
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lol at the source

Indian Railways wary as Pakistan makes fresh offer for engines

Pakistan has pitched in with a renewed and upgraded proposal to buy or take on lease about 100 rail engines from India for re-starting its defunct train services, according to a report in Hindustan Times.
October last year, Pakistan had initially proposed the purchase/lease of 50 train engines from India. The Indian Railways had shot down the proposal on grounds of the “corporate risk” involved, as also because of the high domestic demand for train engines in India.
Of its fleet of 520 locomotives of the Pakistan Railways (PR), only 76 were operational in the month of March 2012. Acute shortage of locomotives has forced the Pakistan Railways to suspend operations of as many as 128 passenger trains.
Indian Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai met Chairman, Railway Board Vinay Mittal last week to pursue Pakistan’s proposal.
The fresh proposal is understood to have been made by Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari during his luncheon meeting with Indian premier Manmohan Singh at New Delhi on April 8.
Indian Railways officials are still disinclined to do business with Pakistan, unless the neighboring country provides advances commitments for simplifying Visa procedures and for providing diplomatic immunity for Indian engineers that will need to be deputed to that country as technical support staff.
The sale or lease of engines to Pakistan will imply a training aspect, as also the sourcing of a substantial supply of spares form India, including consumables like filters, oils and greases.
Pakistan needs to make advance commitments for permitting the easy flow of men, material and spares from India, sources said.
Mathai is understood to have assured Mittal that he would attempt to address concerns of the Indian Railways officials at the diplomatic level.
Options being considered includes the possibility of the lease or sale of new engines (WMD3D type) for approximately Rs.7 crores apiece, or the rehabilitated (WDM2 type), which come at a lesser price of Rs.4.5 crores apiece. The option of offering old, retrofitted engines is also being considered.
Pakistan Railways have failed to handle maintenance of train engines, either on account of financial crisis or because of the non-availability of skilled manpower.
The Chinese engines fleet available in Pakistan has gone out of service because of the reported lack of support from Chinese suppliers.
The Indian Railways has 4,214 electric and 6,000 diesel engines in its inventory. Approximately, 500 engines roll out from its two public sector manufacturing units each year, but the public transporter is still unable to meet its domestic demand of around 700 train engines annually. The Indian Railways have remained massively short of its Vision-2020 target of manufacturing 1,200 train engines annually.

Indian Railways wary as Pakistan makes fresh offer for engines | Pakistan Today | Latest news | Breaking news | Pakistan News | World news | Business | Sport and Multimedia
 
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No Engines to Pakistan, Indian Railways themselves need lots of engines.
 
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last i heard was that PR ordered few engines, india denied it saying that they cant even meet their own demands, might have changed their minds i guess

Pak wanted to lease, not buy. Indian railways said no becos they were not sure about the lease payments and condition of engines after the lease period.
 
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why is Pakistan becoming so india centric..much better quality engines can be had from China if our own corrupt politicians will not demand kickbacks and the corporate corruption in India isnt any better than China or Pakistan. it looks like PPP is selling Pakistan to India to fill their own pockets.
 
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last i heard was that PR ordered few engines, india denied it saying that they cant even meet their own demands, might have changed their minds i guess

Indian Railway made a correct choice by not leasing the engines. Chinese engines were screwed and made obsolete in just 1.5-2 years by using low quality diesel and lubricants. Your Railways would have ruined our engines much before the leasing period got expired. We can't trust your railways.
 
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good good.....

why is Pakistan becoming so india centric..much better quality engines can be had from China if our own corrupt politicians will not demand kickbacks and the corporate corruption in India isnt any better than China or Pakistan. it looks like PPP is selling Pakistan to India to fill their own pockets.

FYI
Pakistan bought engines from China ..which were junk quality as usual...so this time they want to lease much better quality Indian engine..
 
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It is very easy to blame the govt for everything and it is difficult blame once own .. The first blame should go to the people who draws the line between themselves and govt so that they can protect themselves and all the blame goes to the govt ..
 
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zardari makes deal with manmohan all the deals first electricity the this railway have big % of $$$ in these deals which goes into pocket of zardari and some in in pocket of manmohan

wht forum friends think ?
 
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Trade should not stop!! If India is producing something that can be sold in Pakistani market so we should do that.. The only thing to tackle about is the money part. If that is good and India has the capacity to accommodate the demand then I don't see there is any problem..

Why Indian officials are banned to travel in foreign made car?

Why Indian economy was closed to foreign goods until 9-11?
 
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