Pak building infrastructure along LoC

[ares]

Why not i pick the official UN resolutions calling upon both parties to hold plebiscite which my country adheres to ?

1) UN resolution on Kashmir is of non mandatory type.

2) UN resolution is implementable only if all parties involved, agree to it.

3)There was no provision in UN resolution ..where Pakistan was allowed to hand over part of Kashmiri land to China..so get that land back.

4) UN resolution requires Pakistan to move its armed forces out of Azad Kashmir including Northern areas..which you now refer as Gilgit Baltistan...where plebiscite will take place under Indian care.

Has any of these preconditions been met?

 

[Secur]

1) UN resolution on Kashmir is of non mandatory type.

2) UN resolution is implementable only if all parties involved, agree to it.

3)There was no provision in UN resolution ..where Pakistan was allowed to hand over part of Kashmiri land to China..so get that land back.

4) UN resolution requires Pakistan to move its armed forces out of Azad Kashmir including Northern areas..which you now refer as Gilgit Baltistan...where plebiscite will take place under Indian care.

Has any of these preconditions been met?

The resulting war over Kashmir, the First Kashmir War, lasted until 1948, when India moved the issue to the UN Security Council.
The UN had previously passed resolutions for setting up monitoring of the conflict in Kashmir. Following the set-up of the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNCIP), the UN Security Council passed Resolution 47 on 21 April 1948. The resolution imposed an immediate cease-fire and called on Pakistan to withdraw all military presence. The resolution stated that Pakistan would have no say in Jammu and Kashmir politics. India would retain a minimum military presence and "the final disposition of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will be made in accordance with the will of the people expressed through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite conducted under the auspices of the United Nations." The ceasefire was enacted on 31 December 1948.The Indian and Pakistani governments agreed to hold the plebiscite, but Pakistan did not withdraw its troops from Kashmir, thus violating the conditions for holding the plebiscite.[20] In addition, the Indian Government distanced itself from its commitment to hold a plebiscite.[20] Over the next several years, the UN Security Council passed four new resolutions, revising the terms of Resolution 47 to include a synchronous withdrawal of both Indian and Pakistani troops from the region, per the recommendations of General Andrew McNaughton. To this end, UN arbitrators put forward 11 different proposals for the demilitarization of the region. All of these were accepted by Pakistan, but rejected by the Indian government.[21]

So what were you saying ?

 

[ares]

The resulting war over Kashmir, the First Kashmir War, lasted until 1948, when India moved the issue to the UN Security Council.
The UN had previously passed resolutions for setting up monitoring of the conflict in Kashmir. Following the set-up of the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNCIP), the UN Security Council passed Resolution 47 on 21 April 1948. The resolution imposed an immediate cease-fire and called on Pakistan to withdraw all military presence. The resolution stated that Pakistan would have no say in Jammu and Kashmir politics. India would retain a minimum military presence and "the final disposition of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will be made in accordance with the will of the people expressed through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite conducted under the auspices of the United Nations." The ceasefire was enacted on 31 December 1948.The Indian and Pakistani governments agreed to hold the plebiscite, but Pakistan did not withdraw its troops from Kashmir, thus violating the conditions for holding the plebiscite.[20] In addition, the Indian Government distanced itself from its commitment to hold a plebiscite.[20] Over the next several years, the UN Security Council passed four new resolutions, revising the terms of Resolution 47 to include a synchronous withdrawal of both Indian and Pakistani troops from the region, per the recommendations of General Andrew McNaughton. To this end, UN arbitrators put forward 11 different proposals for the demilitarization of the region. All of these were accepted by Pakistan, but rejected by the Indian government.[21]

So what were you saying ?

So basically you are accepting you did not fulfill the initial UN criteria .. that's why plebiscite did not take place!!...and out of 11 different proposals, which you accepted ..how many did you implement and when?

 

[Secur]

So basically you are accepting you did not fulfill the initial UN criteria .. that's why plebiscite did not take place!!...and out of 11 different proposals which you accepted ..how many did you implement and when?

Why would we trust India to hold the plebiscite and hand over Kashmir as gift initially ? You were known to be treacherous ... When a more acceptable and fair solution of synchronous withdrawal of both troops surfaced , why didn't your country accept it ? Because it knew what people would chose then ... Out of those 11 proposals , common sense dictates that even one couldn't be implemented since the other party India didn't agree to it ? Hard to comprehend ? Even to this day , UN considers Kashmir as disputed while your country thinks and deludes itself that it is the integral part of India ? Why ?

 

[karan.1970]

Why not i pick the official UN resolutions calling upon both parties to hold plebiscite which my country adheres to ?

I thought Pakistanis regularly rubbish UN resolutions when they back a UN declared Terrorist organization like JuD as the messiah for the poor in Pakistan..

 

[Secur]

I thought Pakistanis regularly rubbish UN resolutions when they back a UN declared Terrorist organization like JuD as the messiah for the poor in Pakistan..

I think Indians are well versed in the art of making off topic posts when they simply cant respond to the argument , what do you say ?

 

[ares]

Why would we trust India to hold the plebiscite and hand over Kashmir as gift initially ? You were known to be treacherous ... When a more acceptable and fair solution of synchronous withdrawal of both troops surfaced , why didn't your country accept it ? Because it knew what people would chose then ... Out of those 11 proposals , common sense dictates that even one couldn't be implemented since the other party India didn't agree to it ? Hard to comprehend ? Even to this day , UN considers Kashmir as disputed while your country thinks and deludes itself that it is the integral part of India ? Why ?

When you were not ready to do ..as UN directed ..then why do you bellyache that UN resolutions were not implemented.
When you did not implement intial UN resolution, when it did not suit you..why should we..when its not suiting us?

 

[Secur]

When you were not ready to do ..as UN directed ..then why do you bellyache that UN resolutions were not implemented.
When you did not implement intial UN resolution, when it did not suit you..why should we..when its not suiting us?

Who went to the UN , Jinnah or Nehru ? Suit us ? It would have been like handing over the whole Kashmir to India as a gift , just is it ? Afterwards , the UN asked both parties to withdraw , we agreed why didn't you ? It was more than fair right ?

 

[ares]

Who went to the UN , Jinnah or Nehru ? Suit us ? It would have been like handing over the whole Kashmir to India as a gift , just is it ? Afterwards , the UN asked both parties to withdraw , we agreed why didn't you ? It was more than fair right ?

How does it matter ..who went..bottom line here is you did not implement resolution because it did not suit you and new resolution does not suit us ..as a matter of fact ..if you were so partial to know the wishes of people ..you should not have tried to invade it in first place..and now you have lost it forever and are in no position to get it by force or otherwise.

 

[Secur]

How does it matter ..who went..bottom line here is you did not implement resolution because it did not suit you and new resolution does not suit us ..as a matter of fact ..if you were so partial to know the wishes of people ..you should not have tried to invade it in first place..and now you have lost it forever and are in no position to get it by force or otherwise.

Why doesn't it suit you now ? Because people dont want to actually live with you as shown by 1989 insurgency right ?
The muslims had already decided to be a part of Pakistan , it was the Maharaja who acceded to India against the wishes of muslims ... So who's to blame now ? Lost it forever ? Seriously , you think we will not try again ?

 

[ares]

Why doesn't it suit you now ? Because people dont want to actually live with you as shown by 1989 insurgency right ?
The muslims had already decided to be a part of Pakistan , it was the Maharaja who acceded to India against the wishes of muslims ... So who's to blame now ? Lost it forever ? Seriously , you think we will not try again ?

It does not suit us because..
You have gifted a part of Kashmir(of your own will to China..without first taking the will of Kashmiris into account..now you are trying to act as champion of their will.)
..your constant insurgency has altered the demographics of the state.
Plus you already tried taking it by force and failed...we are stronger than ever before and and you are at one of weakest points of your history..you can try ..but just like last 3 times ..you are most likely to fail.

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan started building these structures after Mumbai Attacks which resulted in Indian Movement along side our border so to prepare for any kind of misadventure Pakistan started building the bunkers and communication centers

 

[NirmalKrish]

If you think keeping 7 million troops in Kashmir can win you the hearts of Kashmiris , think again ... The popular support is still with us and we will take it back once we get out of this WoT mess ... You know the normal routines ofcourse

There is only 1.5 million including reserves in the army where'd you pull out 7 million from. Shows The sheer magnitude of your idiocy in your posts. Get educateed first and stop over sensationalizing to create symphathy. Your not that important for us to base our entire army on the lOC we do have other bigger threats than your petty firecrackers.

 

[agentperry]

When even the popular Kashmiri opinion is against you , you cant say that nothing is going to happen ... If the Pakistani flag is hoisted at Lal Chowk , Srinagar then judge for yourself who's chest thumping at the moment ... As i tell Indians regularly , just wait and watch

kashmir issue got a sever blow when pakistan transferred thousands of square kilometer of land to china, when pakistan carved out a separate province for itself out of so-called azad kashmir with its own govt, president and prime minister.

just check out the fact that how many kashmiris are in the rashtriya rifles, J&K rifles and J&K police. your chest will contract automatically.
now when kashmiri separatists and pro-azadi public figure themselves are admitting the fact that most of the killing and voilence instigation is done by hizbul and jaish militants including killing of older generation kashmiri leaders whose crime was that they said kashmiri should be independent and not become paksitan- they got killed which tells a different story.

kashmir case is slowly getting freezed and the final thing will be regularization of LoC

 

[agentperry]

Why doesn't it suit you now ? Because people dont want to actually live with you as shown by 1989 insurgency right ?
The muslims had already decided to be a part of Pakistan , it was the Maharaja who acceded to India against the wishes of muslims ... So who's to blame now ? Lost it forever ? Seriously , you think we will not try again ?

are you aware of diaspora of thousands of people still existing within J&K which migrated from *** in 1940s and 1950s. displaced people showing that not all wanted kashmir in pakistan even at that time.
if pakistan tried again then pakistan will be doomed on itself with out requiring Indian interference in the whole blunder.

moreover you are suggesting that only muslim can be a kashmiri takes away the truth that jammu is hindu dominant and leh is buddhist dominant area, in the end the area you are referring to is 950 sq km of small strip along LoC.