Pak Army isn't capable of fighting and Bajwa's Kashmir deal with India

[alphapak]

he is also having a rafael now

You can send him again, result will be the same.

 

[SD 10]

As much as i despise army, its time to bury the cause. We wont get close again and with every passing day the difference will just keep on growing!

 

[Tornado23]

ok if you not believing

but sukhoi 30mki hit with missiles not 1 but 2 F16s which PAF is hiding until now

Oh so you admitting the AMRAAM hit its target are you? That's going against te narrative of 'AMRAAM dodgers'. Also 2 AMRAAM missiles it survived, whilst in Ukraine it doesn't even survive a single stinger.

amazing

 

[NagaBaba]

Oh so you admitting the AMRAAM hit its target are you? That's going against te narrative of 'AMRAAM dodgers'. Also 2 AMRAAM missiles it survived, whilst in Ukraine it doesn't even survive a single stinger.

amazing

first dodging

then they taken the u turn and attack the F16s

 

[alimobin memon]

Wow. I Don't believe it 100%. Some parts might be true. Then why we have seventh largest army in the world and why we always clause Kashmir issue on our national days. why we bought 500 vt4's ? j10's new jf17 ? all those nukes have no meaning if dont have enemies.

As a Muslim I always have belief that Pakistan is the only country with nukes for a reason we have special role in future. These capitalistic economies wont matter when Allah has plan for us. May be Pakistan is dead nation today but in future people of Pakistan will wake up and stand on one page. If Kashmir cause is gone then all the patriotism and Pakistan's one of core belief is dead.

 

[waz]

It is wrong to dismiss the similitude of Ukraine with Pakistan v India. People put down the mauling of Russia by Ukraine simply due to western weapons. This is rubbish!
The early and mid history of the war the Ukrainians brought down the Russians with their own weapons and sheet grit of their men. Even western experts predicted Ukraine to lose vast tracts of land. When the Ukrainians halted the Russians column spearheads the aid started to flow, slow at first, then more. Yes they had access to intelligence as well but this alone was never enough or even a deciding factor in why Russia was repulsed.
The Ukrainians are ballsy as hell and like Spartans even with primitive weapons. There are so many videos showing this and not a western system in sight

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Furthermore, who in his/her right mind believes that we can win a war against India? In which history have we ever won a war against India? Especially when today's India is so much more advanced, armed to the teeth with top western equipment and financially atleast 10x stronger than Pakistan?

And finally, what exactly is the Kashmir solution? Other to accept the de facto LoC as IB on which convincing India is a feat deserving the NOBEL peace prize; what realistically is the solution, pray tell?

I am not asking the Pak military leadership to be a Don Quixote, but with this mentality you've already lost it before firing a single bullet....

The Pak generals are yet to match "We'll not think to retaliate, but we will retaliate"! The rest are all Fasa Fiso....

Hence, I noted: the PMA cadets commision as cobras, but the PA generals retire as garden snakes (@Raja Porus).....

*Six centuries of the Ottoman Empire got lost in six years of rule by the coup mongers. The coup mongers lose both the military and war. Only after the purging of the coup mongers following the 2016 coup attempt, the Turkish military is showing success in the field. As for the PA coup mongers, the least said the better for some PDF members take it way too personally. I have a family member from the generals staffs who used to have the operational maps hanging beside his bed.
**Once the coup mongers/perpetrators are gone Kashmir is yours by HIS PERMISSION.

 

[Mav3rick]

ok if you not believing

but sukhoi 30mki hit with missiles not 1 but 2 F16s which PAF is hiding until now

I wonder how incompetent and stupid one has to be to not put 2 and 2 together; if the MKI had any advantage on that defining day, IAF would have pressed on and turned the loss into an advantage by shooting down atleast 2 or more PAF Jets. On the contrary, the IAF ran and rather decided to cry about not having RAFALE and also about PAF using F-16's and AMRAAM's!

Fact is, you got a beating handed to you which you just cannot comprehend and it is indeed very embarrassing. However, sadly, now you do have RAFALE which are superb and IAF also upgraded it's communications systems which were jammed by PAF so IAF worked to fix the vulnerabilities. I am hoping that we would still have some surprises up our sleeve.

No we're not, who told you that lol

Well, we don't have any shortage of immature young adults who make up nonsense as they go along.

 

[Black.Mamba]

You deliberately sidestepped answering how many attempts at conquering Constantinople failed and how strong both the militaries were when it was finally conquered. Because that would reveal how stupid your entire assertion is.

War is won by weapons, this is the reasons that even after demise of the beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), there were nine swords hanging on his wall whereas there wasn't sufficient oil to light a lantern. And it is not the Generals who move into the battlefield, it is the common soldier who has more courage than any other Pakistani. The same goes for the other side too, the battle of Longewaala is a prime example.

I understand English is not your first language but read my reply again. Failures are mere attempts that lead to eventual success.

Wars May Be Fought with Weapons, but They Are Won by Men. If it was upto Bajwa & co there would have been no swift retort, the initiative was led by IK and supported by PAF & Naval chief's, while Bajwa had shaky legs. And we already know IK irks you but it will not change the reality.

 

[NA71]

he is also having a rafael now

But he has got the same gutter brain filled with Indian films machoism and fairy tales.

 

[Jango]

Should we start judging the ex Army Chief on comments by 2 media anchors who may or may not even have understood what Bajwa explained to them? I refuse to believe that Bajwa would have told them our Tanks and Jets don't function but I absolutely believe that Bajwa would have told them that we would not be in a position to take on India in a prolonged conflict as the West, especially the US, would immediately impose sanctions and parts and armaments for most of our US centric Weapons would not be available.

1- Don't know about telling to the media, but there was a big scandal within the military and it was discussed in a CC conference as well when some trials of a tank failed and the army had to go into overdrive to procure new armor. Knowing the open mouth Bajwa is after retirement, I wouldn't be surprised if he told this to the journalists as well. I'll leave the rest of the details.

2- Why do we then judge a politician by what some media anchors say?

It is also an open secret Bajwa wanted to be friends with India and pushed for reconciliation.

 

[NagaBaba]

But he has got the same gutter brain filled with Indian films machoism and fairy tales.

he's very brave fighter pilot

and now he's having latest rafael

 

[Mav3rick]

I understand English is not your first language but read my reply again. Failures are mere attempts that lead to eventual success.

Wars May Be Fought with Weapons, but They Are Won by Men. If it was upto Bajwa & co there would have been no swift retort, the initiative was led by IK and supported by PAF & Naval chief's, while Bajwa had shaky legs. And we already know IK irks you but it will not change the reality.

Thanks for understanding that English is not my first language; just as logic is not your strong suit, evidently.

We have initiated and fought 3 wars with India and all failed to achieve our political goals. And that was when India was much weaker. Today India has state of the art weapons from all across the globe and a consistently growing economy which means that she can wage a war a lot longer than we can. In addition, the world is India's friend whereas we at best have some who consider us for our glorious relations in the past. We hold neither any conventional nor any strategic advantage over India and hence any talk of war or of taking Kashmir by force is not just senseless, it is outright retarded.

As for Bajwa ...... no operation or response, even Air or Naval, can take place without the explicit approval of the Army Chief and so, once again, the mere thought of Bajwa's shaking legs is just as retarded as is the consideration in the point above; it was the ISPR Spokesperson from the Army which had warned India to expect a swift and decisive response!

 

[Mav3rick]

1- Don't know about telling to the media, but there was a big scandal within the military and it was discussed in a CC conference as well when some trials of a tank failed and the army had to go into overdrive to procure new armor. Knowing the open mouth Bajwa is after retirement, I wouldn't be surprised if he told this to the journalists as well. I'll leave the rest of the details.

2- Why do we then judge a politician by what some media anchors say?

It is also an open secret Bajwa wanted to be friends with India and pushed for reconciliation.

1. It was the trial of a Chinese Tank whereas our operational MBT's are perfectly fine to go to war at a moment's notice.
2. Well we don't, we judge them on their actions just like we judge the Military on it's actions and Bajwa's response to IAF action is written in history.
3. I also want to be friends with India. We cannot change our neighbours and hence the most sensible thing to do is to befriend India; It's also in Indian interest to have excellent relations with us.

 

[NA71]

he's very brave fighter pilot

and now he's having latest rafael

Akshey Kumar has got more victories and Bravado ....give him the rafael

and BTW there is a very thin line between stupidity (in your film language often known as chotiya pan) and bravery