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Pak Army Capability to fight Taliban

I would argue that the Taliban had been given a lot of leeway in FATA, until this recent operation against Mehsud and in Darra Adamkhel, in the hopes that the "peace deals" would work out. I think now, when the PA is actually ditching the "deal" approach, is the time that a proper analysis of its shortcomings in COIN will come to light.

I continue to maintain that PA has the ability and the capability to take on and defeat this problem, however the political and strategic costs of doing so remain a detriment.

Any US assistance in the form of equipment and intelligence would make things easier for the PA but there is no dearth of experience and the ability to evolve local tactics to deal with this problem.
 
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"...ability to evolve local tactics to deal with this problem"

The one constant of COIN ops seems that the people are the primary objective. Human terrain is the battlefield and LOCAL is everything in this fight. As tribally fragmented as this region is, it pays to really know the local turf.

At this point, I'm unsure that F.C. officers/N.C.O.s wouldn't serve best as cultural advisors to P.A. forces deploying into this area.
 
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Blain:

I agree with you. Perhaps I didn't express it clearly, but what I meant was the PA has deliberately given the militants slack so as to pursue their objective with an emphasis on local political solutions rather than military force. They have exercised a tremendous amount of restraint in the face of outright hostility and violence, suffering a tremendous amount of casualties that could have been reduced had they remained on the offensive ala Swat and Darra Adamkhel and S Waziristan recently.

And that is my point - judging PA capabilities and professionalism by their actions when they actually choose to fight (as in the above mentioned regions) - and the results there leave no doubt that the PA is an extremely proficient fighting force, even when the "heart is not in it".
 
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I continue to maintain that PA has the ability and the capability to take on and defeat this problem, however the political and strategic costs of doing so remain a detriment.

Any US assistance in the form of equipment and intelligence would make things easier for the PA but there is no dearth of experience and the ability to evolve local tactics to deal with this problem.

I completely Agree with you!

The issue is more a Afghanistan policy of PA establishment matter than the ability of PA.
 
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Hi,

Pakistan needs to make a pakistan centric policy and pakistanis need to follow it. We must also be conscious of our neighbours---afghanistan needs a lots of help and we can help them by neutralizing the taliban on our side.

Pakistanis need to understand that america maynot be leaving afghanistan soon--iraq---yes. So, it is in our interest that afghanistan is secured even if there is a govt not 100 % supportive of pakistan. I mean to say that at the end of the day, if pakistan needs to come out of this rot smelling like an edible vegetable---it is ok. We can live with that. Northern alliance is not going to stop our transport trucks passing through afghanistan on their way up north.

As I mentioned earlier it is a PANCHO & LEFTY kind of situation----it is always very important to crush any uprising right in the begining---nip it in the bud. Once the fanatic learns that it can attack, kill a soldier and get away with it---your first basic round against the insurgency is lost. Once you lose that first round---it is always a catch up game S-2 the u s army should have seeked the advice of some used car sales people---what to do when you have a customer on the car lot---there is no be back bus.
 
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In my opinion if US just run out from the Afghanistan in a hurry this will be the biggest blunder of US history how they justifiy the attack on such a country which have nothing accept stones , mountains , caves and DRUGS... which uses in many mediciencs
 
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"...how they justifiy the attack on such a country [Afghanistan]..."

For those like you there is no justification. That's why you don't matter.

For the rest, 9/11 makes perfect sense. Many Americans are very disturbed, though, at our decision to invade...

They'd prefer nukes.:angry:
 
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"Once the fanatic learns that it can attack, kill a soldier and get away with it---your first basic round against the insurgency is lost. Once you lose that first round---it is always a catch up game."

Understood. See my previous post.

I call it punative exigency. Under dire circumstances, a SUSTAINED, violent, decisive, radical affront to the collective sensibilities of your opponent makes sense. Bluntly, Afghanistan would have been perfectly acceptable by the prevailing world mood at the time. In fact, I think most of mankind thought bloody hell would commence at any moment in the skies over Kabul, Kandahar, Mazur-I-Sharif, and Herat.

So too most Americans. That wasn't Rumsfeld's plan, though. His very creative minimalist SOF/N.A. campaign was attached umbilically to the U.S.A.F. Thus, all the overt muscle necessary to leverage the Taliban out of the government game.

No doubt the N.A. was the vehicle that, first, America, and then the rest of the world rode. I don't see by the least stretch, however, this insidious cabal by the U.N. and NATO (including America) to cut Pashtu interests out of Afghanistan. Nobody's that completely far gone to exclude 42% of the nation from the political process and expect that it'll still work.

Karzai's presence alone makes that clear. Cries here of "puppet" are nonsensical but steeped in a transparently bitter envy. Naturally, The Taliban and Mullah Omar's displacement has caused much gnashing of teeth on this board. Regardless, the U.N. and NATO's choice trumps the sentiments displayed here. Nonetheless, familiar homes in Quetta and elsewhere throughout Pakistan lay available for the taliban.

Both OIF and OEF represent brilliant military successes squandered by the bankrupt vision of a not-so-"new world order". We've hardly displayed the nuanced insight which made the occupations of W. Germany and Japan such stunning contributions to the collective good.

"S-2 the u s army should have seeked the advice of some used car sales people---what to do when you have a customer on the car lot---there is no be back bus."

Most of us from either side of the aisle know we blew it. Our troops have educated themselves much faster than our key political leaders to the realities of COIN. So too, I think, for other countries including Pakistan.

Afghanistan was imposed upon my nation. Iraq was not. Regardless, the solutions haven't yet been equal to the tasks. Our army is now, I believe, VERY on top of it's challenges. I'm certain that the rest of my gov't lags sadly behind.
 
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It looks like a Swat style operation of combined arms to root out militants especially as APCs have joined in.

mechanised infantry is going to be part of this operation. some elite PA units are being sent (i will not mention unit nos, but FF and Punjab regt are involved)
 
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Obviously Pakistan Army can't be defeated. But the government should be completely ruthless.
 
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the tanks that you have seen are not from Pakistan Army. They have been taken out of the reserves of he phased out tanks and have been altd to FC. Proper armoured squadrons have been raised and given to FC. They have been trained in basic gnry and D&M by the army, Some officers are also employed there for trg as well as the real thing. Pakistan Army itself has not sent in any armoured regt to FC
 
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