PAF locked on 9 shoot only two...PAF official....0n 27 Feb....

[Dark1]

Every conflict has a risk built in. The Americans failures against Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan shows that the size or capability does not matter in the result.
People who have to act , act. Rest talk.
Recent example of Turkey. They have started a whole campaign based on self interest , even though they know Russia might get involved .
Our 70 years history shows that both countries look for reasons to de-escalate. Our conflicts last from maximum 2 weeks to a couple of months. No years of iran iraq war here.
We should continue our fights online. Less disruption.

 

[Mrc]

Americans did not even fire a single shot when their bases were struck by iranians resulting even injuries of soldiers

 

[Cool_Soldier]

As one was shot down well inside IOK, that is why it was hard to collect evidences
How ever, India played a drama later on and announced one SU-30 was crashed.
That's how IAF removed specific craft from their inventory. smart IAF hmmmm

 

[Maarkhoor]

Americans did not even fire a single shot when their bases were struck by iranians resulting even injuries of soldiers

Americans were informed 2 hours before by Iran that they are going to hit American basis on uninhabited parts of the basis...So Americans are quite ok even switched off ABM system...because they have killed big fish and for local consumption Iran needs something to boost further Gulf countries don't want war with Iran...So it was a win win for both end....Even Iran did not go to International court of justice against America.

 

[PradoTLC]

Should have gone for all of them...

You lock, you shoot...

They've come for you, so you take them out...

I agree we should have splashed them all....

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I heard they had their finger on the nuke button. If PAF were to lose 1-2 jets, they were going to launch them.

One JF was loitering with something really nasty under the belly. Enf said.

 

[TheTallGuy]

This was first reported by @TheTallGuy @airomerix
@TheTallGuy presumed more than two kills which could not be proved till date.

This was the ORBAT 27-Feb-19 (Which I assumed)

There was 2 x SU-30MKI (from Sirsa on CAP - South of pirpanjal deep inside IOJK) 2 x Mirage 2000Indra (No.1 Sqn on CAP north of Pir Panjal range) 2 x additional Su-30MKI (No.221 Sqn aka Avenger Flight) were on CAP inside mainland India.
5 x MiG-21BISON scrambled from Srinager AFB.
1 x Mil Mi-8ATV on SAR mission (Fratricide victim)

This is what happed (Which I assumed)

I assumed shooting down of 3 x Su-30MKI (2 x from No.15 Sqn Sirsa, 1 x from No.221 Sqn, Halwara "faibled Avenger flight), I assumed 2 x Mirage 2000Indra (No.1 Sqn which took part in 26/2 Strike started there CAP from forward airbase possibly Srinager) then 3 x MiG-21bISON out of 5 x scrambled from Srinager (No.51 Sqn)

Well assumed wrong as per official narrative ..they fired at 2 and shot two..that by F16s only JF17 did not score any kills on 2 x Mirage 2000indra as i presumed.

Funny thing is the Official Narratives does not complete or make sense....from both sides...that is why so much discussion...

Next time Nazi Modi will start with Brahmos strikes first and IAF will defend on it own turf the PAF Retaliation(Prediction) taking leaf from PAF fight book.

 

[313ghazi]

Listen buddy, Pakistan is not America or China. Know Pakistan's position in today's world first! Our economy is all bottom low and even the ummah chumma have turned blind eye towards Pakistan. Pakistan would be more effected by a month or even week long war as it would be almost impossible to recover.
Shooting down 10 IAF fighters and that in their own territory would be an act of war with no side stopping! If someone slaps you, you dont respond with beating him to death but a punch would be more then enough.
What PAF did was send a strong message to India and the result was in their humiliation and a bloody nose.


Some Pakistanis are more delusional then Indians. apni ap ko super power sumajtay hai or india ko chutiya!

LOL - I suppose it depends. Where I'm from if someone slaps you, you kick their head in.

Look - if we'd shot down 9 IAF aircraft, they'd have backed down. They'd have been shell shocked - completely surprised by our ability to take them out. The politicians would have screamed bloody murder, but the military brass would have been telling them to back down.

If we'd killed senior military brass instead of missing - they'd have been unsure of their ability to conduct a successful campaign.

It would have been risky, but any conflict sparked would have been short and cagey with the international community demanding a stop.

If we had gone to a full scale war, we'd have smashed them. Killing senior military people and having an edge over IAF - morale would have been finished.

Its not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

 

[TheTallGuy]

One JF was loitering with something really nasty under the belly. Enf said.

Possibly 2 JF17 with something nasty in the nose...

LOL - I suppose it depends. Where I'm from if someone slaps you, you kick their head in.

Look - if we'd shot down 9 IAF aircraft, they'd have backed down. They'd have been shell shocked - completely surprised by our ability to take them out. The politicians would have screamed bloody murder, but the military brass would have been telling them to back down.

If we'd killed senior military brass instead of missing - they'd have been unsure of their ability to conduct a successful campaign.

It would have been risky, but any conflict sparked would have been short and cagey with the international community demanding a stop.

If we had gone to a full scale war, we'd have smashed them. Killing senior military people and having an edge over IAF - morale would have been finished.

Its not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

You are absolutely correct...but we have the benefit of hindsight...people at helm of decision making powers at that time were making decisions based upon what information and perception they had in real time...there is a saying "in war plan you do not assume what enemy would do you based your decision what enemy could do"

My take is "Response of Indian Aggression on 26th Feb was proportionately and rightly given on 27th Feb ground strike

But!!

IAF CAPs and scramblers were legitimate targets of opportunity which should have been taken with decisive mentality.

As per IAF they are saying they dodged 6-7 AMRAAMs so we should ask for AMRAAM count at start we had 500

 

[PradoTLC]

Every conflict has a risk built in. The Americans failures against Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan shows that the size or capability does not matter in the result.
People who have to act , act. Rest talk.
Recent example of Turkey. They have started a whole campaign based on self interest , even though they know Russia might get involved .
Our 70 years history shows that both countries look for reasons to de-escalate. Our conflicts last from maximum 2 weeks to a couple of months. No years of iran iraq war here.
We should continue our fights online. Less disruption.

good

now to tell that your war mongering hatefill Nazi RSS goon filled government

they are ones who started the trouble in the first place

 

[Maarkhoor]

LOL - I suppose it depends. Where I'm from if someone slaps you, you kick their head in.

Look - if we'd shot down 9 IAF aircraft, they'd have backed down. They'd have been shell shocked - completely surprised by our ability to take them out. The politicians would have screamed bloody murder, but the military brass would have been telling them to back down.

If we'd killed senior military brass instead of missing - they'd have been unsure of their ability to conduct a successful campaign.

It would have been risky, but any conflict sparked would have been short and cagey with the international community demanding a stop.

If we had gone to a full scale war, we'd have smashed them. Killing senior military people and having an edge over IAF - morale would have been finished.

Its not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

It was not PAF or military decision but political elites "P.M" and F.M ask our forces to take revenge attack but not shoot down too many aircraft while PAF chief briefs P.M etc about the mission he reportedly told we can easily shoot down 6 to 10 jets but permission denied.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Next time Nazi Modi will start with Brahmos strikes first and IAF will defend on it own turf the PAF Retaliation(Prediction) taking leaf from PAF fight book.

Once BM's start flying; rest assured all gloves are off so quit it.

 

[TheTallGuy]

Once BM's start flying; rest assured all gloves are off so quit it.

Sir, Brahmos is non-nuclear Super sonic cruise missile they can use it and i am pretty sure they will.

Try understand our every ballistic & cruise missiles are claimed to be duel use..which makes it harder for us to use against enemy due to fear of unknown.

By the way did Pakistan Threatened nuclear strikes regarding Indian Missile threat on night of 27th-28th Feb-19. answer is No! we threatened 3 x times the strikes of missiles hitting Pakistan and also threatened the Western Side also.

It was never nuclear and never will be from both sides...even if NAZI Modi orders it...

 

[Maarkhoor]

Sir, Brahmos is non-nuclear Super sonic cruise missile they can use it and i am pretty sure they will.

Try understand our every ballistic & cruise missiles are claimed to be duel use..which makes it harder for us to use against enemy due to fear of unknown.

By the way did Pakistan Threatened nuclear strikes regarding Indian Missile threat on night of 27th-28th Feb-19. answer is No! we threatened 3 x times the strikes of missiles hitting Pakistan and also threatened the Western Side also.

It was never nuclear and never will be from both sides...even if NAZI Modi orders it...

You don't know how much Hindu army and people got venom in their veins they are ready to bombard us with nuclear missiles.

 

[aliyusuf]

... Look - if we'd shot down 9 IAF aircraft, they'd have backed down. They'd have been shell shocked - completely surprised by our ability to take them out. The politicians would have screamed bloody murder, but the military brass would have been telling them to back down.

Something similar was the mindset during Operation Gibraltar. Nobody thought that India would dare invade over the international border in 1965 after what we accomplish in Kashmir ... which we did. But, the rest is history. We were economically quite better off then, as compared to the state of our economy Feb 27 2019.

Sir jee isn't it quite possible that shooting down 9 planes would have left the Indians with no other choice but to go for all out war within days ... after the initial shock had wore off? You cannot keep down such a huge loss from your public and media.

Couldn't the whole narrative be built up so that it was as if that Pakistan had launched a full scale attack on India in defiance of India's righteous act against terrorism? What if 8 of the 9 planes fell inside India? Wouldn't that have been enough to wind up opinion against Pakistan as the aggressor and unwarranted escalator? The west waiting for such an excuse to de-nuclearize Pakistan?

The measured response served up the shock to India without having seemed too harsh and war mongering.

My humble opinion.