PAF locked on 9 shoot only two...PAF official....0n 27 Feb....

[Aasimkhan]

Hey listen mate either allow everyone to develop trade ties with India or bar all from doing so. This befitting response cat and mouse complicity is taking a toll on our honor and economy . Rest I don't care how and when they write off our defense budget in case we surrender diplomatically. atleast we'd be spending it on human development.

Screw their 9-5 routine!

hold on buddy and relax and take a chillpill
Those sitting on top are more mature than you, they are professionals, they know when, where and how much to attack. Its was war gamed and rehearsed. Let the plan work.

 

[NA71]

we are shooting down each other in this thread....

 

[Ultima Thule]

sorry to say...Pakistan would not...

Chance still their because if this skirmish could took little longer and became full blown war then we were not survive/sustain a week long war because of of our crippled economy/divided nation/traitors in our parliament and in national assembly

 

[Aasimkhan]

Every conflict has a risk built in. The Americans failures against Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan shows that the size or capability does not matter in the result.
People who have to act , act. Rest talk.
Recent example of Turkey. They have started a whole campaign based on self interest , even though they know Russia might get involved .
Our 70 years history shows that both countries look for reasons to de-escalate. Our conflicts last from maximum 2 weeks to a couple of months. No years of iran iraq war here.
We should continue our fights online. Less disruption.

Bro IF a full blown Indo-Pak war breaks out it will take down whole world with it. Iran-Iraq and Turkey-Russia skirmishes will look like pea nuts. Even WW2 will be dwarfed by the size of Indo-Pak war. So much dust will be kicked into upper atmosphere that sun light to the earth will be stopped. The entire world will go into NUCLEAR WINTER. World food supply will be cut off. 90% of humanity, as we know it, will persh. Dont pray for war. Its not a joke.

 

[Maxpane]

i think example of punching a guy to teach him a lesdon is bad example .
the more suitable example is a guy who attacked in your house is the best example.
Indian crossed IB and bombed KPK and it was an act of war and in the response we only dropped bomb in IOK .
so when some one attacked in your house you dnt beat him with punch but beat him to teach him a lesson . so next time he would not even try to think

 

[NA71]

Chance still their because if this skirmish could took little longer and became full blown war then we were not survive/sustain a week long war because of of our crippled economy/divided nation/traitors in our parliament and in national assembly

Sir, please note the only reason for my "NO" is by judging our political leadership regardless of govt. or in opposition. none of them can stand up with iron will and having pure trust in Allah...we can only talk of Tipu Sultan and Khalid Bin Waleed (RA)...

 

[Aasimkhan]

Sir he was riding a double seater. Maybe the high ranking officer at his back shoot the missile


I asked a serving pilot about it. He also said they also wanted that more jets should had been shot down but then realised that what decision taken was right.

What a pilot WANTS is immaterial. A pilot is a Tactical tool in the hands of those who have to think Strategically. A pilot will do what he is told to do, no more, no less. Thats the procedure.

In the early 90s, there was a 14 sqn Viper on the tail of an IAF MiG-25 that had entered the airspace. While awaiting orders, never got the call to engage, either way he switched to hot, the MiG's RWR started and the Indian ran away.

R u sure ? Do you know Foxbats speed and altitude? It flies higher and faster than Vipers. It would be a miracle to get on its tail

definitely they would've shot down our transport or even passenger plane if they had the chance.
there was an opportunity that we lost. shooting down 9 Indian jets would've sapped the Indians but that moment is lost ferever

O bhai you can still shoot 9 IAF planes in their own air space just like you could have done on 27 Feb, then why dont you ? There are international RULES OF ENGAGEMENT (ROIs) according to which you can shoot a plane. The most important is that the plane should have intruded in your air space and to prove that the debris of the plane should fall in your own area otherwise it will be a violation of International law. Still if you want to bring down IAF planes the option is available even today but you should war game all the consequences first. Have you ever heard the word ESCALATION LADDER ?

 

[MastanKhan]

im seriously tired of these fanboys pretending to be arm chair general. this needs to stop!
IAF trains with IDAF Singapore AF F-16s, IAF already uses SAAB Radar for its awac similar but more advance to PAF saab-2000, and as for Falcon EW well lets just say with much bigger defence cooperation between India nd France its likely to assume that the frenchies have already shared inside and out information about its capabilities.
so no, PAF did not provide anything new information then what IAF already was aware of.

Hi,

And that is what your knowledge level is---" french have already shared inside and out-----"and based on that the enemy knows everything---"---based on that assumption---I can only say wow---.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Sir, please note the only reason for my "NO" is by judging our political leadership regardless of govt. or in opposition. none of them can stand up with iron will and having pure trust in Allah...we can only talk of Tipu Sultan and Khalid Bin Waleed (RA)...

Yaar believing in God/Allah is good thing but you can't neglect the bitter truths that our country currently Facing
And do we we(Pakistani nation as a whole) have true/pure Islam that Tipu sultan and Khalid bin Waleed had

 

[CIA Mole]

stupid article

a lot of things could have been done that day but didnt do

 

[Mumm-Ra]

But India and Pakistan regularly kill each others soldiers on the LOC . No reason to pull punches.
I feel paf planned well by keeping the su30s out of the picture by launching the AMRAAMS early and then launched their air to ground missiles from the safety of their territory. Low risk.
It seems difficult to prevent a repeat as these missiles have a range of 50 to 100 km. If fired from the safety of your own territory, how does a opponent during peacetime, prevent their launch from deep inside a territory ?
During wartime ofcourse any enemy aircraft in the air, at any distance, will be tracked and treated as hostile.
My learning from the incidents was -
1. Indian mig21s didnt have encrypted communications , which is horrific in this day and age.
2. Abhinandan showed unprofessional behavior in crossing over , as per the then air chief, he crossed over in josh.
3. The Indian attack was more of a message and test than aimed at causing damage.
4. India didnt want escalation so all the official statements on the 26th of targeting only terrorist camps and not Pakistan army. Totally ameuterish as when you have bombed the territory of another country, you cant rely on their good intentions. You should be prepared for total war.
5. Pakistan wont retaliate strongly/ nonproportionally incase of future strikes. The Pakistani response was apologetic , ie we did not deliberately target the Indian camps. Contrast with India saying we deliberately targeted.
6. India is always reactive in defense matters.In 1962 procuring arms from usa during conflict with china. During kargil, buying Air to ground missiles from israel. Now buying encrypted radios for mig21 and long range air to air missiles. Only time India has planned was ofcourse in 1971.

unfortunately, killing soldiers on LOC by opposing sides by local actions has become normal. Throwing aircrafts into the mix is escalatory but it will not lead to an all out war IMO. rest your points are well taken

 

[Mentee]

hold on buddy and relax and take a chillpill
Those sitting on top are more mature than you, they are professionals, they know when, where and how much to attack. Its was war gamed and rehearsed. Let the plan work.

All iam asking is to share the fruits of trade with India

unfortunately, killing soldiers on LOC by opposing sides by local actions has become normal. Throwing aircrafts into the mix is escalatory but it will not lead to an all out war IMO. rest your points are well taken

Those casualties qualify to be a sort of sacrifice at the alter of our theme parks, hypermarkets, golf clubs etc

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Sir, he said pilot died on 29th February. If it was on the same day it can be a mistake, but even after 2 days? Initially said 3 pilots 1 in custody, 2 in area. Later he says 1 in custody, 1 in hospital. 29th he says, the pilot in hospital has died, but astonishingly nobody asks about the identity of the dead pilot. The doctors and other staff in hospital would definitely know and some or all of you guys might be knowing, but don't want yo bring the truth out.
I am not saying gor sure IAF shot it down, can be a fracticide too.

If DG ISPR said the second Indian pilot died, you refuse to believe it as a fact. But then want to take the same statement and switch the nationality of the pilot to suit your narrative for face saving; I mean DG ISPR or even IAF never said that a Pakistani pilot actually died in a hospital, its just made up by confused Indians like you.

Any F16 loss is impossible to hide from US and based on how Pakistan and US have a hate relation due to Afghan war, they would not hesitate to leak or release the information.

 

[NA71]

Yaar believing in God/Allah is good thing but you can't neglect the bitter truths that our country currently Facing
And do we we(Pakistani nation as a whole) have true/pure Islam that Tipu sultan and Khalid bin Waleed had

Baat hi mukh gai.... true Islam & good economic conditions in Pakistan far sighted ........it means India has calculated all these factors and then annexed IOK.

 

[Aasimkhan]

All iam asking is to share the fruits of trade with India



Those casualties qualify to be a sort of sacrifice at the alter of our theme parks, hypermarkets, golf clubs etc

Its called the price of independence. Your sarcasm is pointing towards a deeper problem inside you.