PAF contingent visits Danish F-16 facilities

[LeGenD]

nope they were remaining F-16's from the initial order ..

They were F-16 C/D Block 52 aircraft then?

None of that represents the ground facts .. Reality is ISIS hold ground in Afghanistan right under the nose of US , TTP is also operating a whole State in Afghanistan yet no drones find TTP leadership but they busy targeting some fighters in Border Areas ..US can handle Afghanistan ? Really with NATO US wasn't able to bring Peace into Afghanistan you seriously think they can do with just 10K troops ? please remind me which country actually see peace who have American Operations or Forces on Ground ? Afghanistan , Iraq , Somalia , Yemen , Syria ?
but that is not the topic ..

ISIS can emerge anywhere at any moment; it doesn't needs physical infrastructure to recruit people from any part of the world. All that is needed is a group of people to swore allegiance to Abu Bakar al-Baghdadi and await his instructions through appropriate communication channels. This is easier in a state like Afghanistan where writ of state is limited to certain places and militancy is norm in other places.

US is no longer 'occupying' Afghanistan; US maintains a limited presence in Afghanistan and its mission is to 'lend assistance' to the Afghan regime in the matters of security, development and building state institutions.

Yes, ISIS registered its presence in Nangarhar province of Afghanistan in 2015 but now it is getting hammered there. If this momentum continues, ISIS will be history in Afghanistan much like Al-Qaeda Network.

By the way, you have unrealistic expectations of peace in war-torn states. Terrorism is much like the mythical Hydra entity in that no matter how many heads of it you slice off, more will pop out and strike at you at some point. No country can ensure lasting peace in Afghanistan because Afghan society is mostly tribal and backward in its customs and it is nearly impossible to reform it in a span of some years.

US toppled Taliban-led regime in Afghanistan in 2001 and Afghanistan remained peaceful for 2 years straight after that. In the meantime, US propped up a new regime in Afghanistan to consolidate its gains there and shifted its focus to decisively defeating Al-Qaeda Network in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Conversely, Taliban splintered but continued to draw recruits from Afghanistan and Pakistan and stage attacks in both states to ensure destabilization. Al-Qaeda Network is history but Taliban continues to retain its presence in some shape and form. And now we hear about emergence of ISIS in the region. Reality is that War on Terror is far from over even in Pakistan, let alone Afghanistan. This is a war in which decisive victory is not possible on the battlefield but can only be ensured through development and convincing rebellious segments of populace to embrace change.

Pakistan is much better equipped to deal with menace of terrorism than Afghanistan though.

 

[YeBeWarned]

They were F-16 C/D Block 52 aircraft then?

yes, 36 to be delivered but only 18 made it to PAF ,because of 2005 earth quake .. recently when US offered 8 of them it was the same blk 52 C/D from that stockpile , but they were not compesating the price from the AID and Pakistan was not ready to pay the full price from their pockets, ( technically they cant pay from their budget ) so that is why the deal was canceled , but as Sohail Aman meets PM and even Defense minister agree to increase budget for Modernizing the Air force just like NAVT is getting their stuff slowly, I am putting my 1$ on that PAF will try to engage with US again to release those Air crafts .. History tell us Republicans were more generous to Pakistan than Democrats .


I disagree with your post related to US and its success in Afghanistan but this is not the thread to talk about it ...

 

[ziaulislam]

yes, 36 to be delivered but only 18 made it to PAF ,because of 2005 earth quake .. recently when US offered 8 of them it was the same blk 52 C/D from that stockpile , but they were not compesating the price from the AID and Pakistan was not ready to pay the full price from their pockets, ( technically they cant pay from their budget ) so that is why the deal was canceled , but as Sohail Aman meets PM and even Defense minister agree to increase budget for Modernizing the Air force just like NAVT is getting their stuff slowly, I am putting my 1$ on that PAF will try to engage with US again to release those Air crafts .. History tell us Republicans were more generous to Pakistan than Democrats .


I disagree with your post related to US and its success in Afghanistan but this is not the thread to talk about it ...

i think PAF didnt buy the F-16s as they are not worth "the price" ~100M in current threat scenario, they are not bringing anything game changing, at around 1billion dollars you can probably add 2sq of latest thunders, if the offer is imporved with block 60 with newer weapons, PAF would be interested..but thats just my opinion

 

[LeGenD]

yes, 36 to be delivered but only 18 made it to PAF ,because of 2005 earth quake .. recently when US offered 8 of them it was the same blk 52 C/D from that stockpile , but they were not compesating the price from the AID and Pakistan was not ready to pay the full price from their pockets, ( technically they cant pay from their budget ) so that is why the deal was canceled , but as Sohail Aman meets PM and even Defense minister agree to increase budget for Modernizing the Air force just like NAVT is getting their stuff slowly, I am putting my 1$ on that PAF will try to engage with US again to release those Air crafts .. History tell us Republicans were more generous to Pakistan than Democrats .

Fair.

I disagree with your post related to US and its success in Afghanistan but this is not the thread to talk about it ...

Agreed with the irrelevance part but I simply responded to what you have stated earlier.

I have followed Afghan conflict closely and I am familiar with major developments there. Success is a 'relative' thing. US have achieved a number of its objectives in Afghanistan but the problem of militancy remains unresolved.

Anyhow, I will respect your non-engagement for this discussion in this thread. Should you wish to discuss this matter with me in another thread, let me know.

And thanks for your input regarding F-16 related deal.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

staff college visit.

 

[MastanKhan]

staff college visit.

Logon ney tau bari umeedain lagai theen---aap ney aik he jumlay mein baat khatam kar dee hai.

Posters had attached high hopes---you just smacked them down with a one liner--.