PAF Air Refueling Capability

[fatman17]

IL-78MRTT

 

[nomi007]

That's the MAR-1 ARM.

 

[Donatello]

View attachment 45285 IL-78MRTT

What's the bulge beneath the nose? Tacan/Doppler?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

What's the bulge beneath the nose? Tacan/Doppler?

The Weather/AC Radar.

 

[nomi007]

Does anyone has pictures of Mirages with a full armament load-out?

Good videos. Will someone give the ISPR or whoever makes these videos, HD cameras so the images come out nice please? It'd look amazing if this was shot through an HD camera.



Is that a BVR missile in the pic next to the Sidewinders or the SRAAM's? Which BVR is this??

 

[Donatello]

The Weather/AC Radar.

The weather radar is usually forward facing, since that's the region where you want to look for weather variations.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

The weather radar is usually forward facing, since that's the region where you want to look for weather variations.

So is this one. Its a forward-looking swash-plate scanner fitted inside the Radome.
This arrangement allows the Navigator's station to be located in the glazed area just above it.

 

[SQ8]

Isn't that the Doppler Radar and TACAN housing?

This was the distinguishing feature of the Mirage IIIE, from which the DP was produced.

The chin housing for the FLIR was incorporated in ROSE MIrage 5's.

Also note, the nose looks like that of a Mirage IIIR.

@Munir, @Oscar, @Najam Khan ...any help folks?

Marconi continuous-wave Doppler navigation radar radome on the bottom of the fuselage

 

[Donatello]

Marconi continuous-wave Doppler navigation radar radome on the bottom of the fuselage

Thanks, was wondering the same.
Also, which Mirage are the MAR-1 mated on to? The III or V?

Since it was Mirage III that had a radar and Mirage V were built without it. So if ROSE gave them the Grifo-M, i am assuming Mirage III was linked up with MAR-1 for initial guidance?

 

[SQ8]

Thanks, was wondering the same.
Also, which Mirage are the MAR-1 mated on to? The III or V?

Since it was Mirage III that had a radar and Mirage V were built without it. So if ROSE gave them the Grifo-M, i am assuming Mirage III was linked up with MAR-1 for initial guidance?

The latest Mirages in terms of avionics are the VEF's of 27 sq and 25 sq . Both are fairly modern in terms of weapons compatibility. However, my suspicion would go onto 15sq with its Mirage mixture. It also the most mirages available for use as guinea pigs for weapons tests. At this point, I am guessing that the MAR-1 is not fully operational as of yet but is currently programmed to be use with ANY aircraft equipped with a decent RWR. Which means the non-Rose Mirage IIIs and Vs with their ample space for taking in equipment needed to accommodate the various EW systems that go along with a dedicated SEAD aircraft.

 

[Donatello]

The latest Mirages in terms of avionics are the VEF's of 27 sq and 25 sq . Both are fairly modern in terms of weapons compatibility. However, my suspicion would go onto 15sq with its Mirage mixture. It also the most mirages available for use as guinea pigs for weapons tests. At this point, I am guessing that the MAR-1 is not fully operational as of yet but is currently programmed to be use with ANY aircraft equipped with a decent RWR. Which means the non-Rose Mirage IIIs and Vs with their ample space for taking in equipment needed to accommodate the various EW systems that go along with a dedicated SEAD aircraft.

Hmm, but how is MAR-1 provided initial guidance? Of course, it's own seeker isn't big enough to secure a lock from it's maximum range.

And were VEFs given radars, since the whole point of Mirage V was to remove the Radar and replace with other equipment...

 

[SQ8]

Hmm, but how is MAR-1 provided initial guidance? Of course, it's own seeker isn't big enough to secure a lock from it's maximum range.

And were VEFs given radars, since the whole point of Mirage V was to remove the Radar and replace with other equipment...

You dont need Radars for Anti Radiation missiles. You need the ability to detect radiation coming in from a source and then give that data to the weapon to be launched in that direction after which its seeker will search for the radiation itself. Most aircraft are now equipped with a Radar warning receiver.. certain PAF aircraft have EW and RWR capability out to a fairly large distance.


The AGM-88 for e.g. operates:

three different operational modes, known as Pre-Briefed (PB), Target Of Opportunity (TOO), and Self-Protect (SP). In PB mode, the long range (up to 150 km (80 nm)) of the AGM-88 is used to launch the missile on a lofted trajectory toward a known threat. When the HARM reaches lock-on range, and detects the radar emission, it can home on the target. If the target radar has been switched off before any lock could be acquired, the missile destroys itself to avoid possible friendly casualties by the impact of the now unguided missile. In SP mode, the aircraft's radar warning receiver is used to detect enemy emissions. The CP-1001B/AWG HARM Command Launch Computer (CLC) then decides which target to attack, transmits the data to the missile, and launches the AGM-88. TOO mode means that the seeker of the AGM-88 itself has detected a target, and the missile can be fired manually if the radar emission is identified as a threat. In SP and TOO modes, the AGM-88 can even be fired at targets behind the launching aicraft, although this of course significantly reduces the missile's range. The AGM-88 missile has an inbuilt inertial system, so that whenever it has acquired a lock once, it will continue towards the target even if the emitter is shut down (although the CEP is larger in this case).

Raytheon AGM-88 HARM

 

[Donatello]

You dont need Radars for Anti Radiation missiles. You need the ability to detect radiation coming in from a source and then give that data to the weapon to be launched in that direction after which its seeker will search for the radiation itself. Most aircraft are now equipped with a Radar warning receiver.. certain PAF aircraft have EW and RWR capability out to a fairly large distance.


The AGM-88 for e.g. operates:


Raytheon AGM-88 HARM

Agreed, that for ARM guidance you must be able to receive an EM signal. However, what if the target is stationary (let's say a surface search 3D radar) but is being switched off and on. What to do in that case? Launch the missile anyway and hope it locks when the radar is on?

 

[SQ8]

Agreed, that for ARM guidance you must be able to receive an EM signal. However, what if the target is stationary (let's say a surface search 3D radar) but is being switched off and on. What to do in that case? Launch the missile anyway and hope it locks when the radar is on?

Missiles such as the MAR-1 and AGM-88 head for the last known location of the source. The AGM-88 self detonates to avoid collateral damage but the MAR-1 will keep going towards that last ping. The ALARM missile had an even more unique mode.. it would climb.. shut its engine off and deploy small chutes to descend for a minute or so.. if the radar turned on again the ALARM dumps the chutes and heads straight for it.

 

[Donatello]

Missiles such as the MAR-1 and AGM-88 head for the last known location of the source. The AGM-88 self detonates to avoid collateral damage but the MAR-1 will keep going towards that last ping. The ALARM missile had an even more unique mode.. it would climb.. shut its engine off and deploy small chutes to descend for a minute or so.. if the radar turned on again the ALARM dumps the chutes and heads straight for it.

Who thinks of this stuff?

Dayem.