Owaisi : Civil war has begun in India

[Joe Shearer]

But at the end of the day, he is trying to be another politician who cares about Muslims in India.

Nothing wrong with that, but why doesn't he stand up for Hindus as well? there are so many issues that affect the common man, whether Hindu or Muslim.

Good to see you posting.

 

[Kaniska]

Why is Hindu media trying to say Rohingyas are behind the violence? Why are Christian churches being tagerted?

Our media gone insane since long time…Now a days whenever i see any news from Times of India, I google and validate the news in other sites prior to beileving it.

 

[hatehs]

Nothing wrong with that, but why doesn't he stand up for Hindus as well? there are so many issues that affect the common man, whether Hindu or Muslim.

Spot on…I really love his speeches in the parliament as well as in other places when he is not in elections mode…He has a lot of potential to be a Pan Indian leader than always cribbing about Muslim centric politics…But at the end of the day, he is trying to be another politician who cares about Muslims in India..

His own community is being uniquely targeted on many fronts, why should he try to "rise up" and "prove himself" as a pan-Indian leader to a vile community, which after receiving 70 years of loyalty from Muslims, has started trying to lynch them for Love Jihad, Corona Jihad, and Land Jihad?

 

[Kaniska]

Thank you for educating us. I have seen the Manipur strife in the news lately but never paid attention to that.

But I really think Modi is riding a tiger if he takes communalism too far. I have very recently seen some saner Indian analysts (I think one was the former Governor of IoK, Mr. Malik) saying that alienating such a large minority like Muslims would be very dangerous for India.

Mr Mallick is like another Subramanium Swamy…Attention seeker personalities.

You should see the views from people like Karan Thapar, the Hindu magazine and all the bengali newspapers and analyst from India…You will see a balanced view of all the incidents

 

[hussain0216]

Where are there Hindus in Nagaland and Mizoram? I can understand that being said, to some extent, about Meghalaya. Not about the other two.


Aren't you happy?

Put it like this, I would be happy with functional states in South Asia with populations at peace, regardless of some of my hyperbole

But reality keeps slapping south Asia in its face


Jinnah wasa real smart individual, I don't think he truly wanted to partition India.
I think as a gifted barrister/lawyer who understood the nature of man and REALITY forced him into making the decisions he made
So rather then a hero or villain he was just a man who stepped up to lead and saw the writing on the wall and acted


Today I see in real time, actions playing out on the ground that need resolving before catastrophe strikes
Partition was always a rough decision, but it was the RIGHT decision because of necessity


India today is very much pre partition levels of angst, anger, animosity, hatred, with massive communities beginning to become confrontational and because of the nature of India's ruling elite their will only be confrontation



Of course as patriot Pakistani we will do our utmost to take advantage of this and incite the situation, but Indian Muslims are still our brothers/sisters in faith and we would not wish harm on them,, but the situation is heading towards confrontation, misery and death

 

[Joe Shearer]

Thank you for educating us. I have seen the Manipur strife in the news lately but never paid attention to that.

But I really think Modi is riding a tiger if he takes communalism too far. I have very recently seen some saner Indian analysts (I think one was the former Governor of IoK, Mr. Malik) saying that alienating such a large minority like Muslims would be very dangerous for India.

First, Modi and his bunch are as dangerous to India as Jaichand was. He and his pack are steadily destroying India. Since they have no brains, and no skills apart from fomenting riots and oppressing Muslims, Christians and Dalits in every possible way, they do things for electoral gains that are literally crippling the nation.

It is not just communalism, it is the use of communalism for staying in power. So, every time there is an election forthcoming, there is an incident involving either Pakistan (their shorthand for Muslim, therefore to be feared and acted against immediately, in pre-emptive fashion) or a peaceful Indian citizen who happens to pray in a mosque.

Malik comes across surprisingly morally intact, for a member of the BJP. He has never said anything ridiculous or toxic, when he was governor and afterwards. He did not just talk about alienating the 17% of India's citizens, sworn up tax paying citizens to be found in all three branches of the military. He also said that Modi was ignorant of facts on the ground, not in touch with grassroots sentiment, and not available when needed (at the time of the Pulwama incident, he was shooting a film in a national park with Bear Grylls, and was not traceable initially).

Today, as Manipur burns, he is busy electioneering. It is possible that he will lose, although he has run the dirtiest, filthiest campaign that people have seen in independent India (or in colonial India), but has no time to devote to the affairs of state.

Sometimes I feel that some bitter enemy has put the evil eye on us, to get us such a monster to sit on our heads.

Mr Mallick is like another Subramanium Swamy…Attention seeker personalities.

You should see the views from people like Karan Thapar, the Hindu magazine and all the bengali newspapers and analyst from India…You will see a balanced view of all the incidents

Malik was not talking about Manipur, but about Kashmir.

I do agree that the sources you mention are sound sources of information.

 

[iamnobody]

Where are there Hindus in Nagaland and Mizoram? I can understand that being said, to some extent, about Meghalaya. Not about the other two.

Again, I ask. Where are Hindus in Nagaland and Mizoram?

Second, there are illegal immigrants from Myanmar present, but the Kukis have been Christian for some time now, and they are not from Maynmar. They are native to Manipur. There are Kukis in Myanmar, but that doesn't mean that all Kukis are Burmese.

between 1981 and 2001, the Hindu population in Nagaland dropped from 14.36 to 7.70 per cent, while the Christian population jumped from 80.21 to 90.00 per cent. Census data shows that the Christians constituted just 52.98 per cent of the population of the State in 1951.

 

[aryadravida]

Hindutva will be the undoing of india, that religious conflicts are being fired up everywhere. Chickens are coming home to roost. Time to pay for its crimes are coming soon.
Keep spreading that shit, gonna love it when india gets a taste of her own “incredible-ness” that it loves showing to few brainwashed white people

Manipur has equal Hindu Christian population...therefore these attacks..anywhere in mainland India it's not the case.... Hindus are majority every where...will crush if anyone indulge in violence or terrorism.

 

[iamnobody]

Manipur has equal Hindu Christian population...therefore these attacks..anywhere in mainland India it's not the case.... Hindus are majority every where...will crush if anyone indulge in violence or terrorism.

Na re Sanghi Strongmen.

Hindus are getting crushed in Jammu, Delhi and now North East.

Stop living in a fools paradise.

 

[villageidiot]

Voilence, chaos, anarchy is in south asian dna.

If only some non-violent civilized people could come and knock some sense into us.

Wait......

 

[Joe Shearer]

between 1981 and 2001, the Hindu population in Nagaland dropped from 14.36 to 7.70 per cent, while the Christian population jumped from 80.21 to 90.00 per cent. Census data shows that the Christians constituted just 52.98 per cent of the population of the State in 1951.

I don't know where this is coming from.

There were lots and lots of Naga boys in my Sainik School. Ours was their school of choice before the schools in Odisha and Assam opened up. Ever since then, the political establishment in Nagaland has always had a certain number of our students in positions of power.

There was never a Hindu population in Nagaland. In Censuses in the past, the animist population was counted under Hindu. Over time, many - most - of them have converted to Christianity, to the Baptist Church, mainly. That is why you will find the number of 'Hindus' dwindling, and the percentage of Christians steadily rising.

Only in Manipur is there a Hindu population, because the Meitei converted en masse in, I think, not sure, the 17th century, converted by a Gaudiya Vaishnav. The Manipuri dance and Ras Leela and those features come from that conversion.

Please take this on board. There is NO Hindu population outside Assam (not Bodoland, they are also not Hindu) and including Cachar in Assam.

You can check with @brational, who is Assamese.

 

[villageidiot]

and Christians, as one of the Abrahamic faiths that everybody loves to hate.

Please don't take away that credit from us.

On a serious note, that's just in India due to the missionary movements, no? I have never read about anti-christian sentiments prevalent anywhere else in south asia and the middle east.

 

[iamnobody]

I don't know where this is coming from.

There were lots and lots of Naga boys in my Sainik School. Ours was their school of choice before the schools in Odisha and Assam opened up. Ever since then, the political establishment in Nagaland has always had a certain number of our students in positions of power.

There was never a Hindu population in Nagaland. In Censuses in the past, the animist population was counted under Hindu. Over time, many - most - of them have converted to Christianity, to the Baptist Church, mainly. That is why you will find the number of 'Hindus' dwindling, and the percentage of Christians steadily rising.

Only in Manipur is there a Hindu population, because the Meitei converted en masse in, I think, not sure, the 17th century, converted by a Gaudiya Vaishnav. The Manipuri dance and Ras Leela and those features come from that conversion.

Please take this on board. There is NO Hindu population outside Assam (not Bodoland, they are also not Hindu) and including Cachar in Assam.

You can check with @brational, who is Assamese.

Rani Gaidinliu was a follower of Heraka religion. She opposed Christianity.

Indic animists are Hindus. By Hindus I mean followers of Indic religions.

There are Marwadi, Bihari and Bengali Hindus living in Nagaland since British times. These are mainland Hindus are persecuted too by the Christians.

 

[hussain0216]

Bakhts and sanghis keep saying Modi and BJP will have a massive victory in the next election. That may be true, but India will lose

 

[Joe Shearer]

Put it like this, I would be happy with functional states in South Asia with populations at peace, regardless of some of my hyperbole

But reality keeps slapping south Asia in its face


Jinnah wasa real smart individual, I don't think he truly wanted to partition India.
I think as a gifted barrister/lawyer who understood the nature of man and REALITY forced him into making the decisions he made
So rather then a hero or villain he was just a man who stepped up to lead and saw the writing on the wall and acted


Today I see in real time, actions playing out on the ground that need resolving before catastrophe strikes
Partition was always a rough decision, but it was the RIGHT decision because of necessity


India today is very much pre partition levels of angst, anger, animosity, hatred, with massive communities beginning to become confrontational and because of the nature of India's ruling elite their will only be confrontation



Of course as patriot Pakistani we will do our utmost to take advantage of this and incite the situation, but Indian Muslims are still our brothers/sisters in faith and we would not wish harm on them,, but the situation is heading towards confrontation, misery and death

Since you seem to know a bit about Jinnah, you should know that in the last months of his life, he bitterly regretted partition and the state of affairs in India and in Pakistan. I fault the lower level politicians in the Muslim League, and the Hindu-favouring politicians in the Congress, for having destroyed the chances of the League and the Congress working together. That was the straw that broke the camel's back, when after Jinnah had bludgeoned the rest of the League leadership into accepting the Cabinet Mission Plan, Nehru, under pressure from his colleagues, made an announcement in that infamous press conference on the 10th of July that precipitated Pakistan.

I am not blaming Nehru, although Azad, who was Congress President at the time, bitterly criticised him for making that announcement without any detailed discussion before that. It is just that both sets of lower politicians had locked horns and could not act sensibly.

Just as on PDF the extremists on both sides lock horns and make decent conversations impossible.