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'Our whole concept of coal mine allocations is wrong'

'Our whole concept of coal mine allocations is wrong' - Rediff.com Business

I've been questioning the Coal allocation from the time they started giving spectacular numbers like 700 lakh crores and so on. Like calling IMF wrong on economy, not Bhakt will jump in and say coal 'exoert' is wrong on coal too. So 3, 2, 1.......:suicide:

I have fundamental problems with mines being allocated to end-users. Mining is a commercial operation. It needs expertise and technology.’
‘If someone has a power plant, how does he become an expert in mining coal? Someone has a steel plant, his expertise is in making steel and not making coal or the mining of coal.’
‘There are 3 million people without electricity and it is not that power capacities are not there. Power capacities exist but they do not have the coal to produce electricity.’
Coal industry expert Sunjoy Joshi tells Sheela Bhatt/Rediff.com that the NDA's e-auction of coal blocks will not solve the fundamental problems that dog the industry.

Sunjoy Joshi, (below, left) a former bureaucrat, is director of the Observer Research Foundation, and is known for his expertise on issues related to energy, climate change and development studies. Joshi, who has also worked abroad, took premature retirement in 2009 and has since contributed to making the ORF think-tank hyperactive. His experience in government service puts him in a unique situation to understand the working of policies. At ORF, Joshi is presently working on a programme on ‘India and China: Energy imperatives for a changing world’.
The auction of 33 coal mines by the coal ministry has given mine-owning states a potential revenue of around Rs 2 lakh crore.
With the new National Democratic Alliance government trying to put the coal sector in order, Joshi discusses the status of the coal sector in India with Sheela Bhatt/Rediff.com. (The interview was conducted before the coal mines online auction took place).
Find out why Joshi thinks the online auction of India’s coal mines is wrong. The first of a two-part interview.
Recently industrialist Gautam Adani was in the news for buying a coal mine in Australia. Why is the import of coal so important? Can you explain the current scene in the industry? Why does India have to import coal when it has so much of reserves?

In the present situation India should not be importing coal as we have the fourth largest coal reserves in the world. But there are two fundamental problems. One, that our coal is of a very poor quality, its ash content is very high. In fact, the ash content is so high that when we talk to power plant operators, they say that Coal India Ltd (the government-owned coal company) sends us stones rather than coal. Also, we are transporting stones over great distances, across the length and breadth of the country, and wasting fuel and energy.
Australian coal has a much higher calorific content. That is one problem but the bigger problem is that the coal production in our country just doesn’t scale up and coal-based power companies have not been able to take off in India because of the inability of coal producers to get coal across to them.
It has a lot to do with the domestic policy environment in coal production that is forcing companies to go out and search for coal assets abroad. There was a time when coal abroad was very expensive. While national prices have become high today, international prices are low.
So if you are looking for new acquisitions, ie, green field acquisitions, this is the time to go and buy assets abroad because the prices in the international market have fallen. But unfortunately, most of the acquisitions that Indian companies have made, we have the tendency of often entering the market at the wrong time.
We entered the market and acquired coal access in a period of high prices and then we faced certain regulatory dilemmas with countries like Indonesia and even Australia where the government stepped in with interventions as to what price the coal could be exported to India, which then affected the viability of power plants set up on the basis of that coal. It’s a complex industry and the sector is actually complicated by the kind of regulatory interventions which keep coming in from time to time.
But from the producer’s point of view -- like from Adani’s point of view -- who are in the coal import-export business, when the market is low his margin will be low.
But the point is if you’re acquiring an asset, this is not a new asset, it makes sense always to acquire a resource when prices are low because valuations are low. So you’re going to get it cheap. And these being energy assets and with energy prices being very volatile, you will always make money on the upside, when the prices again rise up. So it is a matter of fluctuating supply and demand.
 
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'Our whole concept of coal mine allocations is wrong'

'Our whole concept of coal mine allocations is wrong' - Rediff.com Business

I've been questioning the Coal allocation from the time they started giving spectacular numbers like 700 lakh crores and so on. Like calling IMF wrong on economy, not Bhakt will jump in and say coal 'exoert' is wrong on coal too. So 3, 2, 1.......:suicide:

Unnecessary & pointless bit.

I have fundamental problems with mines being allocated to end-users. Mining is a commercial operation. It needs expertise and technology.’
‘If someone has a power plant, how does he become an expert in mining coal? Someone has a steel plant, his expertise is in making steel and not making coal or the mining of coal.’
‘There are 3 million people without electricity and it is not that power capacities are not there. Power capacities exist but they do not have the coal to produce electricity.’
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What exactly is the point here? Whether someone who has a steel plant or a power plant & wants to bid for coal is not the government's problem if he puts his money where the mouth is. Expertise is a purchasable commodity. The Supreme Court of India quashed the licenses and that has been proven right with the amounts being bid. The governments of the coal mining states stand to benefit. How exactly is this wrong?

The only contention that may have merit is of the different methods used for determining value for power producers -the reverse auction route. While technically correct, there is a risk of siphoning of the coal for other purposes and therefore the argument goes, it should have been done the same way as the other mines with a possible subsidy to the power producers based on the units generated. That does make sense to me but there are different arguments being made. On the whole, there is nothing at all to quib about. Are you suggesting that the revenues now accruing to some of the states should not have happened & that the previous method was better? Don't think I agree.
 
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Unnecessary & pointless bit.



What exactly is the point here? Whether someone who has a steel plant or a power plant & wants to bid for coal is not the government's problem if he puts his money where the mouth is. Expertise is a purchasable commodity. The Supreme Court of India quashed the licenses and that has been proven right with the amounts being bid. The governments of the coal mining states stand to benefit. How exactly is this wrong?

The only contention that may have merit is of the different methods used for determining value for power producers -the reverse auction route. While technically correct, there is a risk of siphoning of the coal for other purposes and therefore the argument goes, it should have been done the same way as the other mines with a possible subsidy to the power producers based on the units generated. That does make sense to me but there are different arguments being made. On the whole, there is nothing at all to quib about. Are you suggesting that the revenues now accruing to some of the states should not have happened & that the previous method was better? Don't think I agree.

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No. That concept has been debunked. 'Core Competence' or that there is a limited set of activities that an organization can do well has been established. The guys who run coal blocks along with power or steel will be running these mines inefficiently. It'll be more economic for them only because it gives them price stability, but overall it'll be uneconomic for the customers since it'll be more expensive than if a separate mining company were running it.
 
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This is just so stupid....

when will indians learn.....






































to use the words "billion" and "trillion".
That is our system of counting,We were using it even before the Western models have developed.


Time units[edit]

Hindu measurements inlogarithmic scale (approx.).
Various units of time are used across the Vedas, Puranas, Mahabharata, Suryasidhanta etc.[citation needed] Especially, Nimesha's multiple, it varies to 3, 10, 15, 18, 20, 27, 30, 45, 48, 60. At the lower end, these are pretty consistent. The Complete Hindu metrics of time (Kāla Vyavahāra) can be summarized as below.

§Sidereal metrics[edit]
Unit Definition Equivalence (Approx.)
Truti
त्रुटि 0.031 µs
Renu रेणु 60 Truti 1.86 µs
Lava लव 60 Renu 0.11 ms
Līkṣaka लीक्षक 60 Lava 6.696 ms
Lipta लिप्ता 60 Leekshaka 0.401 s
Vipala विपल
Pala
पल 60 Lipta 24.1056 s
Vighaṭi विघटि
Vinādī
विनाडी
Ghaṭi
घटि 60 Vighaṭi 24 min
Nādī नाडी
Danda
दण्ड
Muhūrta
मुहूर्त 2 Ghaṭi 48 min
Nakṣatra Ahorātram (Sidereal Day) नक्षत्र अहोरात्रम् 60 Ghaṭī 24 h
30 Muhūrta
24 h
Alternate system
Unit Definition Equivalence (Approx.)
Truti
35.5 µs
Tatpara 100 Truti 3.55 ms
Nimesha 30 Tatpara 106.7 ms
Kāṣṭhā 30 Nimesha 3.2 s
Kalā 30 Kāṣṭhā 1.6 min
Muhūrta 30 Kalā 48 min
Nakṣatra Ahorātram (Sidereal Day) 30 Muhūrta 24 h
§Small units of time used in the Vedas[edit]
Unit Definition Equivalence (Approx.)
Paramāṇu 26.3 µs
Aṇu 2 Paramāṇu 57.7 µs
Trasareṇu 3 Aṇu 158 µs
Truṭi 3 Trasareṇu 474 µs
Vedha 100 Truṭi 47.4 ms
Lava 3 Vedha 0.14 s
Nimeṣa 3 Lava 0.43 s
Kṣaṇa 3 Nimesha 1.28 s
Kāṣṭhā 5 Kṣaṇa 6.4 s
Laghu 15 Kāṣṭhā 1.6 min
Danda 15 Laghu 24 min
Muhūrta 2 Danda 48 min
Ahorātram (Day) 30 Muhūrta 24 h
Masa (Month) 30 Ahorātram 30 days
Ritu (Season)
2 Masa 2 months
Ayana
3 Rutu 6 months
Samvatsara (Year)
2 Ayana 360 days
Ahorātram of Deva
§Lunar metrics[edit]
§Tropical metrics[edit]
  • A Yāma = 1/4 of a day (light) or night [ = 7½ Ghatis (घटि) = 3¾ Muhurtas = 3 Horas (होरा) ]
  • Four Yāmas make half of the day (either day or night)
  • Eight Yāmas make an Ahorātra (day + night)
  • An Ahorātra is a tropical day (Note: A day is considered to begin and end at sunrise, not midnight.)
Name Definition Equivalence
Yama याम ¼ th of a day (light) or night 3 hours
Sāvana Ahorātram सावन अहोरात्रम् 8 Yamas 1 Solar day
§Reckoning of time among other entities[edit]
§Reckoning of time amongst the Pitṛs (forefather)[edit]
  • 1 human fortnight (15 days) = 1 day (light) or night of the Pitṛs.
  • 1 human month (30 days) = 1 day (light) and night of the Pitṛs.
  • 30 days of the Pitṛs = 1 month of the Pitṛs = (30 × 30 = 900 human days).
  • 12 months of the Pitṛs = 1 year of the Pitṛs = (12 months of Pitṛs × 900 human days = 10800 human days).
  • The lifespan of the Pitṛs is 100 years of the Pitṛs (= 36,000 Pitṛ days = 1,080,000 human days = 3000 human years)[citation needed]
  • 1 day of the Devas = 1 human year
  • 1 month of the Devas = 30 days of the Devas
  • 1 year of the Devas (1 divine year) = 12 months of the Devas
§Reckoning of time amongst the Devas[edit]
The life span of any Hindu deva spans nearly (or more than) 4.5 million years. Statistically, we can also look it as …

  • 12000 Deva Years = Life Span of Devas = 1 Mahā-Yuga.
The Viṣṇu Purāṇa Time measurement section of the Viṣṇu Purāṇa Book I Chapter III explains the above as follows:

  • 2 Ayanas (6-month periods, see above) = 1 human year or 1 day of the devas
  • 4,000 + 400 + 400 = 4,800 divine years (= 1,728,000 human years) = 1 Satya Yuga
  • 3,000 + 300 + 300 = 3,600 divine years (= 1,296,000 human years) = 1 Tretā Yuga
  • 2,000 + 200 + 200 = 2,400 divine years (= 864,000 human years) = 1 Dvāpara Yuga
  • 1,000 + 100 + 100 = 1,200 divine years (= 432,000 human years) = 1 Kali Yuga
  • 12,000 divine year = 4 Yugas (= 4,320,000 human years) = 1 Mahā-Yuga (also is equaled to 12000 Daiva (divine) Yuga)
  • [2*12,000 = 24,000 divine year = 12000 revolutions of sun around its dual]
§Reckoning of time for Brahma[edit]
  • 1008 Mahā-Yugas = 1 Kalpa = 1 day (day only) of Brahma
(2 Kalpas constitute a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion human years)

  • 30 days of Brahma = 1 month of Brahma (259.2 billion human years)
  • 12 months of Brahma = 1 year of Brahma (3.1104 trillion human years)
  • 50 years of Brahma = 1 Parārdha
  • 2 parardhas = 100 years of Brahma = 1 Para = 1 Mahā-Kalpa (the lifespan of Brahma)(311.04 trillion human years)
One day of Brahma is divided into 10,000 parts called charaṇas. The charaṇas are divided as follows:

The Four Yugas
4 charaṇas (1,728,000 solar years) Satya Yuga
3 charaṇas (1,296,000 solar years) Treta Yuga
2 charaṇas (864,000 solar years) Dvapara Yuga
1 charaṇas (432,000 solar years) Kali Yuga
Source: [2]
The cycle repeats itself, so altogether there are 1,000 cycles of Mahā-Yuga in one day of Brahma.

  • One cycle of the above four Yugas is one Mahā-Yuga (4.32 million solar years)
  • as is confirmed by the Gītā Śloka 8.17 (statement) "sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ rātriṁ yuga-sahasrāntāṁ te 'ho-rātra-vido janāḥ", meaning, a day of brahma is of 1000 Mahā-Yuga. Thus a day of Brahma, Kalpa, is of duration: 4.32 billion solar years. Two Kalpas constitute a day and night (Adhi Sandhi) of Brahma
  • A Manvantara consists of 71 Mahā-Yuga (306,720,000 solar years). Each Manvantara is ruled by a Manu.
  • After each Manvantara follows one Saṃdhi Kalā of the same duration as a Kṛta Yuga (1,728,000 = 4 Caraṇa). (It is said that during a Saṃdhi Kalā, the entire earth is submerged in water.)
  • A Kalpa consists of a period of 4.32 Billion solar years called followed by 14 Manvataras and Saṃdhi Kalas.
  • A day of Brahma equals
(14 times 71 Mahā-Yuga) + (15 × 4 Charaṇas)
= 994 Mahā-Yuga + (15 * 4800)
= 994 Mahā-Yuga + (72,000 years)[deva years] / 6 = 12,000[deva years] viz. one maha yuga.
= 994 Mahā-Yuga + 6 Mahā-Yuga
= 1,000 Mahā-Yuga
§The Surya Siddhanta definition of timescales[edit]
The Surya Siddhanta [Chapter 14 Mānādhyāyah (मानाध्यायः)], documents a comprehensive model of nine divisions of time called māna (मान) which span from very small time units (Prāņa [प्राण] - 4 seconds) to very large time scales (Para [पर] - 311.04 Trillion solar years).[citation needed]
 
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UPA had given away 204 coal blocks for free.

NDA auctioned 33 coal blocks for 33 Billion USD

talk about baniya mentality
the main thing is all those who became instant billioniers deu to favours from UPA goverments are now sulking(well most of them) as the free lunch is over

and these people like

( Sunjoy Joshi, a former bureaucrat, is director of the Observer Research Foundation, and is known for his expertise on issues related to energy, climate change and development studies. Joshi, who has also worked abroad, took premature retirement in 2009 ) basicalli an NGO funded and supported by corrupt UPA croonie capitalists

they are just so called "lobbiest" who left there goverment jobs to make big money by doing "dalalli" for the highest bidders by "leaking internal documents" of the goverment .... thus the recent so called "leakgate"

thing is modi is too thick skinned and cunning for them and is putting plugs to all there "loop holes in the system"

si they are just trying to stay relevent to there "clients" by getting free publicity wia so called "secular/libral media"

but the thing is there days are over and they know it :)
 
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That is our system of counting,We were using it even before the Western models have developed.


Time units[edit]

Hindu measurements inlogarithmic scale (approx.).
Various units of time are used across the Vedas, Puranas, Mahabharata, Suryasidhanta etc.[citation needed] Especially, Nimesha's multiple, it varies to 3, 10, 15, 18, 20, 27, 30, 45, 48, 60. At the lower end, these are pretty consistent. The Complete Hindu metrics of time (Kāla Vyavahāra) can be summarized as below.

§Sidereal metrics[edit]
Unit Definition Equivalence (Approx.)
Truti
त्रुटि 0.031 µs
Renu रेणु 60 Truti 1.86 µs
Lava लव 60 Renu 0.11 ms
Līkṣaka लीक्षक 60 Lava 6.696 ms
Lipta लिप्ता 60 Leekshaka 0.401 s
Vipala विपल
Pala
पल 60 Lipta 24.1056 s
Vighaṭi विघटि
Vinādī
विनाडी
Ghaṭi
घटि 60 Vighaṭi 24 min
Nādī नाडी
Danda
दण्ड
Muhūrta
मुहूर्त 2 Ghaṭi 48 min
Nakṣatra Ahorātram (Sidereal Day) नक्षत्र अहोरात्रम् 60 Ghaṭī 24 h
30 Muhūrta
24 h
Alternate system
Unit Definition Equivalence (Approx.)
Truti
35.5 µs
Tatpara 100 Truti 3.55 ms
Nimesha 30 Tatpara 106.7 ms
Kāṣṭhā 30 Nimesha 3.2 s
Kalā 30 Kāṣṭhā 1.6 min
Muhūrta 30 Kalā 48 min
Nakṣatra Ahorātram (Sidereal Day) 30 Muhūrta 24 h
§Small units of time used in the Vedas[edit]
Unit Definition Equivalence (Approx.)
Paramāṇu 26.3 µs
Aṇu 2 Paramāṇu 57.7 µs
Trasareṇu 3 Aṇu 158 µs
Truṭi 3 Trasareṇu 474 µs
Vedha 100 Truṭi 47.4 ms
Lava 3 Vedha 0.14 s
Nimeṣa 3 Lava 0.43 s
Kṣaṇa 3 Nimesha 1.28 s
Kāṣṭhā 5 Kṣaṇa 6.4 s
Laghu 15 Kāṣṭhā 1.6 min
Danda 15 Laghu 24 min
Muhūrta 2 Danda 48 min
Ahorātram (Day) 30 Muhūrta 24 h
Masa (Month) 30 Ahorātram 30 days
Ritu (Season)
2 Masa 2 months
Ayana
3 Rutu 6 months
Samvatsara (Year)
2 Ayana 360 days
Ahorātram of Deva
§Lunar metrics[edit]
§Tropical metrics[edit]
  • A Yāma = 1/4 of a day (light) or night [ = 7½ Ghatis (घटि) = 3¾ Muhurtas = 3 Horas (होरा) ]
  • Four Yāmas make half of the day (either day or night)
  • Eight Yāmas make an Ahorātra (day + night)
  • An Ahorātra is a tropical day (Note: A day is considered to begin and end at sunrise, not midnight.)
Name Definition Equivalence
Yama याम ¼ th of a day (light) or night 3 hours
Sāvana Ahorātram सावन अहोरात्रम् 8 Yamas 1 Solar day
§Reckoning of time among other entities[edit]
§Reckoning of time amongst the Pitṛs (forefather)[edit]
  • 1 human fortnight (15 days) = 1 day (light) or night of the Pitṛs.
  • 1 human month (30 days) = 1 day (light) and night of the Pitṛs.
  • 30 days of the Pitṛs = 1 month of the Pitṛs = (30 × 30 = 900 human days).
  • 12 months of the Pitṛs = 1 year of the Pitṛs = (12 months of Pitṛs × 900 human days = 10800 human days).
  • The lifespan of the Pitṛs is 100 years of the Pitṛs (= 36,000 Pitṛ days = 1,080,000 human days = 3000 human years)[citation needed]
  • 1 day of the Devas = 1 human year
  • 1 month of the Devas = 30 days of the Devas
  • 1 year of the Devas (1 divine year) = 12 months of the Devas
§Reckoning of time amongst the Devas[edit]
The life span of any Hindu deva spans nearly (or more than) 4.5 million years. Statistically, we can also look it as …

  • 12000 Deva Years = Life Span of Devas = 1 Mahā-Yuga.
The Viṣṇu Purāṇa Time measurement section of the Viṣṇu Purāṇa Book I Chapter III explains the above as follows:

  • 2 Ayanas (6-month periods, see above) = 1 human year or 1 day of the devas
  • 4,000 + 400 + 400 = 4,800 divine years (= 1,728,000 human years) = 1 Satya Yuga
  • 3,000 + 300 + 300 = 3,600 divine years (= 1,296,000 human years) = 1 Tretā Yuga
  • 2,000 + 200 + 200 = 2,400 divine years (= 864,000 human years) = 1 Dvāpara Yuga
  • 1,000 + 100 + 100 = 1,200 divine years (= 432,000 human years) = 1 Kali Yuga
  • 12,000 divine year = 4 Yugas (= 4,320,000 human years) = 1 Mahā-Yuga (also is equaled to 12000 Daiva (divine) Yuga)
  • [2*12,000 = 24,000 divine year = 12000 revolutions of sun around its dual]
§Reckoning of time for Brahma[edit]
  • 1008 Mahā-Yugas = 1 Kalpa = 1 day (day only) of Brahma
(2 Kalpas constitute a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion human years)

  • 30 days of Brahma = 1 month of Brahma (259.2 billion human years)
  • 12 months of Brahma = 1 year of Brahma (3.1104 trillion human years)
  • 50 years of Brahma = 1 Parārdha
  • 2 parardhas = 100 years of Brahma = 1 Para = 1 Mahā-Kalpa (the lifespan of Brahma)(311.04 trillion human years)
One day of Brahma is divided into 10,000 parts called charaṇas. The charaṇas are divided as follows:

The Four Yugas
4 charaṇas (1,728,000 solar years) Satya Yuga
3 charaṇas (1,296,000 solar years) Treta Yuga
2 charaṇas (864,000 solar years) Dvapara Yuga
1 charaṇas (432,000 solar years) Kali Yuga
Source: [2]
The cycle repeats itself, so altogether there are 1,000 cycles of Mahā-Yuga in one day of Brahma.

  • One cycle of the above four Yugas is one Mahā-Yuga (4.32 million solar years)
  • as is confirmed by the Gītā Śloka 8.17 (statement) "sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ rātriṁ yuga-sahasrāntāṁ te 'ho-rātra-vido janāḥ", meaning, a day of brahma is of 1000 Mahā-Yuga. Thus a day of Brahma, Kalpa, is of duration: 4.32 billion solar years. Two Kalpas constitute a day and night (Adhi Sandhi) of Brahma
  • A Manvantara consists of 71 Mahā-Yuga (306,720,000 solar years). Each Manvantara is ruled by a Manu.
  • After each Manvantara follows one Saṃdhi Kalā of the same duration as a Kṛta Yuga (1,728,000 = 4 Caraṇa). (It is said that during a Saṃdhi Kalā, the entire earth is submerged in water.)
  • A Kalpa consists of a period of 4.32 Billion solar years called followed by 14 Manvataras and Saṃdhi Kalas.
  • A day of Brahma equals
(14 times 71 Mahā-Yuga) + (15 × 4 Charaṇas)
= 994 Mahā-Yuga + (15 * 4800)
= 994 Mahā-Yuga + (72,000 years)[deva years] / 6 = 12,000[deva years] viz. one maha yuga.
= 994 Mahā-Yuga + 6 Mahā-Yuga
= 1,000 Mahā-Yuga
§The Surya Siddhanta definition of timescales[edit]
The Surya Siddhanta [Chapter 14 Mānādhyāyah (मानाध्यायः)], documents a comprehensive model of nine divisions of time called māna (मान) which span from very small time units (Prāņa [प्राण] - 4 seconds) to very large time scales (Para [पर] - 311.04 Trillion solar years).[citation needed]
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No. That concept has been debunked. 'Core Competence' or that there is a limited set of activities that an organization can do well has been established. The guys who run coal blocks along with power or steel will be running these mines inefficiently. It'll be more economic for them only because it gives them price stability, but overall it'll be uneconomic for the customers since it'll be more expensive than if a separate mining company were running it.

That is not the government's problem but of the person who bid. Secondly, this is not a valid argument against the present auction system because the same people had got the mines before too, only in an nontransparent manner & without forking up the money.
 
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No. That concept has been debunked. 'Core Competence' or that there is a limited set of activities that an organization can do well has been established. The guys who run coal blocks along with power or steel will be running these mines inefficiently. It'll be more economic for them only because it gives them price stability, but overall it'll be uneconomic for the customers since it'll be more expensive than if a separate mining company were running it.
so by that u mean that there should be middlemen involved .... right;)
 
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That is not the government's problem but of the person who bid. Secondly, this is not a valid argument against the present auction system because the same people had got the mines before too, only in an nontransparent manner & without forking up the money.

Ensuring economic efficiency and lowest cost for customers is the basic cornerstone of every policy decision in every country. Whether coal should be given to large efficient power plants or smaller more inefficient captive units has to be decided by government policy. And when 'auctions' are getting people orgasmic, let us remember that the auction money will be recovered from the customers. And with millions without electricity, whether making its production more costly is a clear decision for the government.

Ind defending this , you have gone againt, best management practices, role of government and factored out the uses of electricity. You are debating for the sake of debating.
 
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Ensuring economic efficiency and lowest cost for customers is the basic cornerstone of every policy decision in every country. Whether coal should be given to large efficient power plants or smaller more inefficient captive units has to be decided by government policy. And when 'auctions' are getting people orgasmic, let us remember that the auction money will be recovered from the customers. And with millions without electricity, whether making its production more costly is a clear decision for the government.

Ind defending this , you have gone againt, best management practices, role of government and factored out the uses of electricity. You are debating for the sake of debating.


That argument that customers will have to pay a heavy amount has not been found to be true after the telecom auctions. There has been no outrageous increase in prices. Nor have they been seen in reverse auctions of coal for power plants. In any case why should the people of India subsidise the end user of any product especially since it remains very non-transparent. Let the users pay if it does come to that or buy coal from abroad as many did. The fact that they find coal mines attractive here suggests differently from your argument.

Btw, the argument on electricity tariffs is a bogus one. When giving to private producers, there is no guarantee that the entire benefits will be transferred & the auctions have actually forced tariffs downwards. Production hasn't been made costly, probably more efficient. In any case, there was nothing the government could do except to formulate the auction rules. the rest was decided by an order of the Supreme Court.
 
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