Our history is War. List of the Largest Battles in history.

[HariPrasad]

No flaming in this thread.

Though out of curiosity, what is it that I am unable to do that I lack this so-called "freedom"?

I live in Hong Kong, which is considered to be one of the most "free" places in Asia. I also travel to the Mainland a lot, and I don't see what freedom I am missing in either place?

This is not a place where Dalits can't walk 20 feet in front of a higher caste person, there are no such restrictions.

The only major restriction I can think of is the one-child policy, but that was recently revoked so it no longer applies.

I do not want to flame anything.

What ever I have read and seen on you tube says otherwise. How ever if you feel and sense freedom, Enjoy it. Best of luck!!!!

Yes, Stop your BS about India. We know all our weaknesses and we have reformed our society a lot. We have fought against all evils in our society to make it a batter place to live whether it untouchability or crime against women or corruption which you guys can not think even in your distanced dream. If you have a courage, go and fight against CCP corruption like we fought against our present government. Fight against rapes like we did.

 

[Fattyacids]

@Fattyacids 25 million dead in Qing and Ming wars. Here your another lie was caught that there was a peaceful transition when Wu Sangui collaborated with Manchus.

Wu let the Manchu thru the gate without a fight in an alliance against Li. The throne was taken within weeks. But China doesn't equal to just the capital Beijing. This figure quoted is rather questionable. It's not a good idea to go into subject you've little knowledge in, but if you must, at least exercise some basic intellect.

 

[faithfulguy]

One must remember our wars were probably just as brutal but we did not keep records for some reason.

Don't want to be critical but it seems kingdoms in India history do not have a systematic historical record through out most of its history. Is it true that India learn about its history from writing of the time or archeology? I don't know of any systematic recording of Indian subcontinent's history. Can any Indian share information about Indian subcontinent's historiography?

 

[INDIC]

Wu let the Manchu thru the gate without a fight in an alliance against Li. The throne was taken within weeks. But China doesn't equal to just the capital Beijing. This figure quoted is rather questionable. It's not a good idea to go into subject you've little knowledge in, but if you must, at least exercise some basic intellect.

When millions are dying in a transition from Ming to Qing, I can understand how much resistance Manchus got from the Chinese people. You don't need to put this useless LOL symbol everywhere.

 

[Fattyacids]

When millions are dying in a transition from Ming to Qing, I can understand how much resistance Manchus got from the Chinese people. You don't need to put this useless LOL symbol everywhere.

Can't help it when I see a failed/stupid post, LOL.
Picking up a few lines from a post or an article from wiki/internet isn't going to cut it, learn proper chinese history thru textbooks. But brainless troll will aways be brainless troll.

 

[INDIC]

Can't help it when I see a failed/stupid post, LOL.
Picking up a few lines from a post or an article from wiki/internet isn't going to cut it, learn proper chinese history thru textbooks. But brainless troll will aways be brainless troll.

I also don't need to learn fake Chinese history from you like you who claims Wu Sangui is not seen as traitor by Chinese people.

 

[Fattyacids]

I also don't need to learn fake Chinese history from you like you who claims Wu Sangui is not seen as traitor by Chinese people.

After I exposed your failed post, now you sidestepped to Wu, but I never said he was not. Quote me the post.

Brainless trolling again!!

 

[INDIC]

After I exposed your failed post, now you sidestepped to Wu, but I never said he was not. Quote me the post.

Brainless trolling again!!

Tell me do think Wu Sangui was a traitor who sold Chinese land to foreign invaders.

 

[Fattyacids]

Tell me do think Wu Sangui was a traitor who sold Chinese land to foreign invaders.

Now you changed your statement into a question, because you can't prove what you said. Do you realize how dumb you look now???????

Take your antics to Bollywood forum. This is an international forum with high standard.

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

Wars have been fought by every civilization, it's just that some were simply better than others at it. Why were wars fought back then? They were fought for a variety of reasons including; resources, land, security, religion, revenge, trade routes, freedom, over throwing corrupt governments, power, preventing foreign interference, influence, wealth, & even for glory. Some of these factors hold true even today. Conquests & wars in general had benefits & drawbacks for both the conqueror & the conquered. The conqueror benefited from wealth while a drawback could be the difficulty involved in absorbing another people in to their society. Similarly, the conquered may benefit from the developments undertaken by a greater civilization & face the setback of losing self-governance. In many ways, war was essential for survival, & back then, a common set of values or morals did not exist & some might say that it doesn't exist today either. The Vikings for instance went about carrying out raids & even looting regions with wealth. The victims' nations were justifiably bound to take up measures to defend themselves. So should war be a last resort? I guess it depends on the situation, but is there something wrong with war in itself? Absolutely not! There isn't a single great civilization I can think of during antiquity that prospered without warfare, enmity, & let's not exclude envy either.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Wars have been fought by every civilization, it's just that some were simply better than others at it. Why were wars fought back then? They were fought for a variety of reasons including; resources, land, security, religion, revenge, trade routes, freedom, over throwing corrupt governments, power, preventing foreign interference, influence, wealth, & even for glory. Some of these factors hold true even today. Conquests & wars in general had benefits & drawbacks for both the conqueror & the conquered. The conqueror benefited from wealth while a drawback could be the difficulty involved in absorbing another people in to their society. Similarly, the conquered may benefit from the developments undertaken by a greater civilization & face the setback of losing self-governance. In many ways, war was essential for survival, & back then, a common set of values or morals did not exist & some might say that it doesn't exist today either. The Vikings for instance went about carrying out raids & even looting regions with wealth. The victims' nations were justifiably bound to take up measures to defend themselves. So should war be a last resort? I guess it depends on the situation, but is there something wrong with war in itself? Absolutely not! There isn't a single great civilization I can think of during antiquity that prospered without warfare, enmity, & let's not exclude envy either.

Agreed.

What about the future though?

China hasn't had any wars for 30 years, and in that time span we have had remarkable economic growth to the point where many coastal cities would be considered a part of the developed world.

The Chinese Government cares most about China's internal issues, so I don't see them ever going into an offensive war in the near future. Defensive war sure, there isn't much choice about that, if you're attacked you have to defend yourself.

But considering that China is the country that benefits the most from the global status quo, I don't see any possibility of us launching an offensive war. Sun Tzu said the supreme ability is to win a war without fighting.

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

Agreed.

What about the future though?

China hasn't had any wars for 30 years, and in that time span we have had remarkable economic growth to the point where many coastal cities would be considered a part of the developed world.

The Chinese Government cares most about China's internal issues, so I don't see them ever going into an offensive war in the near future. Defensive war sure, there isn't much choice about that, if you're attacked you have to defend yourself.

But considering that China is the country that benefits the most from the global status quo, I don't see any possibility of us launching an offensive war. Sun Tzu said the supreme ability is to win a war without fighting.

I agree that China's development & economic growth in modern times is impressive, & every nation has to defend itself from foreign aggression. The age of empires is in my opinion over for now. These days you could get a country to bend to your will through economic, political, & cultural means, so offensive wars are less likely but still quite probable. The world today is globalized & countries simply can't do whatever they want anymore. To some extent, foreign interference & control existed in the era of antiquity as well, but not to the extent that it does today. This again has its own set of advantages & disadvantages. Think of something as simple as a revolution. In the past, people would have to safe guard their own destiny from tyrants so revolts were always a threat in all empires. Today however, foreign powers allegedly interfere to ensure that their interests aren't harmed on a much larger scale than before.

I don't see China going to war anytime soon either, & as always all governments' need to ensure the prosperity & loyalty of their citizens if they desire to remain in power. There is a limit to abuse, & both recent & historical events give credence to that. In the long run, China should focus on further improving the economy through indigenous brands, strengthen their military industry further, etc. Of course, the country is doing well, but there is always going to be room for a lot more. Research & development plays a key role here, one major factor that lead to the weakening of nations was a society that didn't encourage intellectual pursuits. That along with moral degeneracy. Here are 2 interesting quotes from the British historian Arnold J. Toynbee that I mostly agree with:

"Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder."

"To be able to fill leisure intelligently is the last product of civilization."

 

[INDIC]

After I exposed your failed post, now you sidestepped to Wu, but I never said he was not. Quote me the post.

Brainless trolling again!!

Tell us, do you see Wu Sangui as a traitor to Chinese people.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I agree that China's development & economic growth in modern times is impressive, & every nation has to defend itself from foreign aggression. The age of empires is in my opinion over for now. These days you could get a country to bend to your will through economic, political, & cultural means, so offensive wars are less likely but still quite probable. The world today is globalized & countries simply can't do whatever they want anymore. To some extent, foreign interference & control existed in the era of antiquity as well, but not to the extent that it does today. This again has its own set of advantages & disadvantages. Think of something as simple as a revolution. In the past, people would have to safe guard their own destiny from tyrants so revolts were always a threat in all empires. Today however, foreign powers allegedly interfere to ensure that their interests aren't harmed on a much larger scale than before.

I don't see China going to war anytime soon either, & as always all governments' need to ensure the prosperity & loyalty of their citizens if they desire to remain in power. There is a limit to abuse, & both recent & historical events give credence to that. In the long run, China should focus on further improving the economy through indigenous brands, strengthen their military industry further, etc. Of course, the country is doing well, but there is always going to be room for a lot more. Research & development plays a key role here, one major factor that lead to the weakening of nations was a society that didn't encourage intellectual pursuits. That along with moral degeneracy. Here are 2 interesting quotes from the British historian Arnold J. Toynbee that I mostly agree with:

"Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder."

"To be able to fill leisure intelligently is the last product of civilization."

Great post. My thoughts exactly.

 

[Beidou2020]

War is great as long as we continue to invade India whenever we feel like it.