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Ottawa releases draft tender on purchase of new fighter jets | CBC News
Murray Brewster · CBC News · Posted: Oct 29, 2018 1:39 PM ET | Last Updated: October 29
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A CF-18 Hornet, on the ground at St. John's International Airport. (Sherry Vivian/CBC)


The effort to replace the air force's aging fleet of CF-18 fighters took a small step forward Monday when Public Services and Procurement Canada released a draft tender and asked for feedback from the makers of new jets.

There are five companies in the running: France's Dassault Aviation; Saab of Sweden; Airbus Defence and Space out of Britain; and Boeing and Lockheed Martin in the U.S.

The manufacturers will have about eight weeks to comment on various aspects of the proposed tender before the government finalizes the document.

A full-fledged request for proposals is not expected to be released until the new year.

The department said input from the manufacturers "is critical to the overall success of this procurement and for selecting the right fighter aircraft to meet Canada's needs."

A slow process
It has been almost a year since Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan formally "launched" competition to replace the CF-18s, which were originally purchased in the 1980s but have received significant upgrades in the decades since.

At the same time, Sajjan also announced the federal government would buy used Australian F-18s of the same vintage as Canada's current fighter fleet.

That purchase is meant to serve as a stopgap to ensure the air force can meet its NATO and NORAD commitments at the same time.

The Liberal government is looking to buy 88 new jets, but the first ones aren't likely to arrive until the mid-2020s.

The competition among manufacturers for Canada's business is expected to be fierce.

Lockheed Martin will pitch its F-35 stealth fighter, which the former Conservative government was prepared to buy until the auditor general criticized both Public Works and National Defence in 2012. The AG said, among other things, that the departments had not done enough homework to justify the multi-billion-dollar purchase.

Boeing is in line to offer the Super Hornet — a larger, more advanced version of the F-18 — but the Chicago, IL.-based company and the Liberal government traded blows last year in a dispute over passenger jets and Bombardier.

The Liberals initially had planned to buy Super Hornets as a stopgap instead of the Australian fighters, but cancelled the purchase because of the dispute.

Advantage: Europe?
Airbus plans to offer its Eurofighter Typhoon. Saab will pitch the latest version of its Gripen, while Dassault has the Rafale.

The European aircraft-makers all privately expressed optimism about the competition last spring at an Ottawa defence industry trade show.

For years, Canada has been seen as favouring U.S. manufacturers because of what the military called "interoperability issues."

But recent trade disputes and political tensions between Ottawa and Washington have given contractors outside of North America a morale boost.
 
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Super Hornet is best option for sure. Given TIT is trumpting support for Super Hornet, it is a good bet.
 
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The more I read about this the more pissed I get. Canada has shunned the 5th generation and instead chosen to pay a hefty price, literal & figurative, for second-hand sh!t while being even more at risk of falling behind other NATO partners in pursuing new combat platforms.
 
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Super Hornet is best option for sure. Given TIT is trumpting support for Super Hornet, it is a good bet.

The current government promised not to buy the F-35, then decided for an interim solution by buying some Super Hornets. That idea was dropped when Boeing lobbied for putting a 300% import fee on Canadair passenger jets.

Considering Trumps tweets, there is most likely a desire from Justin Trudeau to give the bird to any US contender. Boeing is doubly screwed for this tender.

The more I read about this the more pissed I get. Canada has shunned the 5th generation and instead chosen to pay a hefty price, literal & figurative, for second-hand sh!t while being even more at risk of falling behind other NATO partners in pursuing new combat platforms.

Canada is supposed to get 25 Australian Hornets and is paying what? $15M a piece?
Seems a bargain to me.
If Canada ends up buying the F-35, they will be getting block 4 or later
from full production lots. Maybe that is not a bad idea.
No need for Canada to rush it however, since it will take a few more years to get Gripen E deliveries ;-).
 
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The current government promised not to buy the F-35, then decided for an interim solution by buying some Super Hornets. That idea was dropped when Boeing lobbied for putting a 300% import fee on Canadair passenger jets.

Considering Trumps tweets, there is most likely a desire from Justin Trudeau to give the bird to any US contender. Boeing is doubly screwed for this tender.



Canada is supposed to get 25 Australian Hornets and is paying what? $15M a piece?
Seems a bargain to me.
If Canada ends up buying the F-35, they will be getting block 4 or later
from full production lots. Maybe that is not a bad idea.
No need for Canada to rush it however, since it will take a few more years to get Gripen E deliveries ;-).
Hornets are the best way for them for now. F-35 has a long way to go in order to demostrate decline in cost/unit and the cost of operation is too high.
I am surprised how Boeing played the victim card for a slot which they had nothing to offer in. The most strangest they never squeeked a bit on their bed fellow - Embraer. Anyway, Airbus venture with Bombardier was the best strategy given how pathetic Bombardier post sale support is.
 
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Hornets are the best way for them for now. F-35 has a long way to go in order to demostrate decline in cost/unit and the cost of operation is too high.
I am surprised how Boeing played the victim card for a slot which they had nothing to offer in. The most strangest they never squeeked a bit on their bed fellow - Embraer. Anyway, Airbus venture with Bombardier was the best strategy given how pathetic Bombardier post sale support is.

I think Boeing have to grovel for Canada to select the Super Hornet.
Politicians have a big ego, and they care more about dignity than the needs af an Air Force.

If Canada votes in a new government, the F-35 may make a comeback.
 
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Canada should look into French Rafael's as they are potent multirole medium class 4++ gen fighters.
 
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Canada should look into French Rafael's as they are potent multirole medium class 4++ gen fighters.

Canada is looking at Eurofighter, F-35, F/A-18E, Gripen and Rafale,
but they are not neccessarily looking for multirole fighters.
They are looking for something that can defend the Canadian Air Space.
 
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Canada should look into French Rafael's as they are potent multirole medium class 4++ gen fighters.
The problem is Canada never buys European jets. Gripen is perfect fit but the excuse will be they need two engine one.
 
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The problem is Canada never buys European jets. Gripen is perfect fit but the excuse will be they need two engine one.

History cannot always be used to predict the future.
Canada might feel a need to distance themselves from the US due to the US behavior.

It will be very hard to select the F-35 over Gripen with that motivation.

That leaves Rafale and Eurofighter.
 
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Having reasonable budget, Canada should go towards 5th generation platform. As only few countries have this technology, F35 seems perfect choice for Canada.
 
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Having reasonable budget, Canada should go towards 5th generation platform. As only few countries have this technology, F35 seems perfect choice for Canada.

With a single engine?

The current (liberal) government is against the F-35, but there will be new elections in October 2019. The previous (conservative) government decided for the F-35, and since the F/A-18 is probably out, the F-35 could be selected by a new conservative government without too much protests from the liberals.
Next election is 2023, and the decision has probably been made by then.
 
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