OT Posts dealing with Hindu-Non Hindu relations

[halupridol]

I am a novice and learning my way through. So no thanks.

anyway,,,,,whats with everyone "confusing" u for a guy,,,,

 

[Indrani]

Passerby here. But want to say thanks for the quotations. They once again prove the descriptive vs pragmatic understanding of religions - if I'd only known Hinduism from people I see representing it here, I'd have considered it filth of the Earth.
Reply to the part in bold: actually what it is saying flows extremely naturally into the Islamic pov

First of all, Vedanta's says, "The Brahman is One without a second". It means that there is nothing but Brahman i.e. the Creation & the Creator are not two but just ONE ! .This concept is very difficult to understand from Islamic point of view

No it does not. Creator and creation are not the same in Islam. In Hinduism there is nothing but god. Which means all of creation is God including animate and inanimate things. Hindus are supposed to work on self-realization which means ultimately their unity, their oneness with God.

Whereas in Islam you have been created by God and separate from God.

anyway,,,,,whats with everyone "confusing" u for a guy,,,,

I have no idea. Perhaps they never met any woman so combative and have difficulty adjusting to that fact.

You are helpless bro. If you are wise enough then open your Holy Book and try to understand the translation. Don't interpret from your own mind. Read the actual meaning.

Please stop your nonsense.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

This part is quite true, and it's unfortunate that many Indian members don't know this.

But yes, many devout hindus do visit graves and shrines of sufi saints, and even mosques. The Abrahamic religions are indeed very different from the eastern ones. (Not just the dharmic ones, but also the east Asian ones - the concept of us v/s them, believers v/s unbelievers do not exist for them.)

Actually Hinduism don't impose restriction on its followers to visit graves/mosques/churches etc while Islam is strict when it come to shirk/polytheism because its considered major sin in Islam which God will never forgive and that sin is shirk which is to associate Partners with God or to associate his attributes with someone else. Even those Christians who consider Jesus as son of God cannot be called as monotheist . Islam also give guidance about how yo should live your life as its complete code of life unlike Hinduism/Sikhism which are not too strict about how you should live your life and bit less judgement and less concept of reward or fear of punishment. Its about karma for them. you will reap what you will sow and then one give concept of afterlife and the other give concept of reincarnation so yes they are very different in nature/teachings/practices/aqeedah/judgement but off course moral teaching of all religion are almost same that no cheating, killing, stealing etc

 

[Malghani]

No it does not. Creator and creation are not the same in Islam. In Hinduism there is nothing but god. Which means all of creation is God including animate and inanimate things. Hindus are supposed to work on self-realization which means ultimately their unity, their oneness with God.

Whereas in Islam you have been created by God and separate from God.



I have no idea. Perhaps they never met any woman so combative and have difficulty adjusting to that fact.



Please stop your nonsense.

Sorry for misunderstanding you as a guy. I am reading the Hindu scriptures. Will stay in touch...

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

No it does not. Creator and creation are not the same in Islam. In Hinduism there is nothing but god. Which means all of creation is God including animate and inanimate things. Hindus are supposed to work on self-realization which means ultimately their unity, their oneness with God.

Whereas in Islam you have been created by God and separate from God.
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Are you an authority now? Here's something interesting for you to learn: Muslim philosophy is neither Deist nor Theist but but stikes a balance between the two.

Anyway, let this thread be between Hindus. Call me up somewhere else.

 

[ayesha.a]

Actually Hinduism don't impose restriction on its followers to visit graves/mosques/churches etc while Islam is strict when it come to shirk/polytheism because its considered major sin in Islam which God will never forgive and that sin is shirk which is to associate Partners with God or to associate his attributes with someone else. Even those Christians who consider Jesus as son of God cannot be called as monotheist . Islam also give guidance about how yo should live your life as its complete code of life unlike Hinduism/Sikhism which are not too strict about how you should live your life and bit less judgement and less concept of reward or fear of punishment. Its about karma for them. you will reap what you will sow and then one give concept of afterlife and the other give concept of reincarnation so yes they are very different in nature/teachings/practices/aqeedah/judgement but off course moral teaching of all religion are almost same that no cheating, killing, stealing etc

First of all, it's misleading to think of hinduism as a single religion. It is not - that was an oversimplification by Britishers, who wanted to put a label on the variety of religious and spiritual practises they encountered in the Indian subcontinent. There are many different strains/schools of "hinduism". There are polytheistic, monotheistic, panteistic, even atheistic philosophies in what is collectively and misleadingly called 'hinduism'. You will find hindus who do not mind praying in a mosque or sharing a meal with muslims or christians, and you will also find hindus who will take a bath if they so much as touch a lower caste hindu. (That's an extreme example, but such beliefs are still prevalent in some places.)

Now to make a nitpick, the hindu concept of 'karma' is (AFAIK) very different from the buddhist concept, which is what is understood here in the west. The concept of 'you sow what you reap', or the consequence of your actions - that's what the english speaking world means when they say 'karma'. But in the original hindu version, 'karma' simply means 'duty'. So they have many scriptures that extol the virtues of doing one's karma dispassionately, about doing one's 'karma' being the highest 'dharma', and so on.

Hell, I don't know why I am trying to discuss religious concepts here. It is really not my area of expertise, so take all this for what it's worth. Just my personal observations, that's all.

 

[Indrani]

Are you an authority now? Here's something interesting for you to learn: Muslim philosophy is neither Deist nor Theist but but stikes a balance between the two.

Anyway, let this thread be between Hindus. Call me up somewhere else.

I do not know about that balance because Allah seems to do a lot of warning.

First of all, it's misleading to think of hinduism as a single religion. It is not - that was an oversimplification by Britishers, who wanted to put a label on the variety of religious and spiritual practises they encountered in the Indian subcontinent. There are many different strains/schools of "hinduism". There are polytheistic, monotheistic, panteistic, even atheistic philosophies in what is collectively and misleadingly called 'hinduism'. You will find hindus who do not mind praying in a mosque or sharing a meal with muslims or christians, and you will also find hindus who will take a bath if they so much as touch a lower caste hindu. (That's an extreme example, but such beliefs are still prevalent in some places.)

Now to make a nitpick, the hindu concept of 'karma' is (AFAIK) very different from the buddhist concept, which is what is understood here in the west. The concept of 'you sow what you reap', or the consequence of your actions - that's what the english speaking world means when they say 'karma'. But in the original hindu version, 'karma' simply means 'duty'. So they have many scriptures that extol the virtues of doing one's karma dispassionately, about doing one's 'karma' being the highest 'dharma', and so on.

Hell, I don't know why I am trying to discuss religious concepts here. It is really not my area of expertise, so take all this for what it's worth. Just my personal observations, that's all.

That is not true. It is exactly the same as the Buddhist version of it.

Karma is a concept in Hinduism which explains causality through a system where beneficial effects are derived from past beneficial actions and harmful effects from past harmful actions, creating a system of actions and reactions throughout a soul's reincarnated lives[1] forming a cycle of rebirth. The causality is said to be applicable not only to the material world but also to our thoughts, words, actions and actions that others do under our instructions.[2] When the cycle of rebirth comes to an end, a person is said to have attained moksha, or salvation from samsara.[3] Not all incarnations are human. The cycle of birth and death on earth is said to be formed from 8.4 million forms of life, but only in human life is an exit from this cycle possible.[4]

 

[Malghani]

All the scriptures on internet have different translations. Where can i get the authentic Scriptures including Bhagvad Gita, Upanishads, Yajurveda, Atharvaveda, Rigveda, Puranas and Itihaas ? With English translation. @Indrani ?

 

[ayesha.a]

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That is not true. It is exactly the same as the Buddhist version of it.

Karma is a concept in Hinduism which explains causality through a system where beneficial effects are derived from past beneficial actions and harmful effects from past harmful actions, creating a system of actions and reactions throughout a soul's reincarnated lives[1] forming a cycle of rebirth. The causality is said to be applicable not only to the material world but also to our thoughts, words, actions and actions that others do under our instructions.[2] When the cycle of rebirth comes to an end, a person is said to have attained moksha, or salvation from samsara.[3] Not all incarnations are human. The cycle of birth and death on earth is said to be formed from 8.4 million forms of life, but only in human life is an exit from this cycle possible.[4]

I think that represents only one meaning of the word. How would you reconcile that with the usage of the same word in the Gita, which asks the reader to do his 'karma' all the time? (I am reminded of that particular verse which used to be played in the Doordarshan serial's opening credits.)

In that verse and many others, 'karma' means 'duty', and not the consequence of one's actions, which is how it is used in the english language.

All the scriptures on internet have different translations. Where can i get the authentic Scriptures including Bhagvad Gita, Upanishads, Yajurveda, Atharvaveda, Rigveda, Puranas and Itihaas ? With English translation. @Indrani ?

Internet Sacred Text Archive Home

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

I do not know about that balance because Allah seems to do a lot of warning.
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Slippery slope!

 

[Indrani]

All the scriptures on internet have different translations. Where can i get the authentic Scriptures including Bhagvad Gita, Upanishads, Yajurveda, Atharvaveda, Rigveda, Puranas and Itihaas ? With English translation. @Indrani ?

Go through the library here.
A Personal Library of Hindu Sanskrit Texts Translations - Hindu Dharma Forums

Slippery slope!

Okay.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

First of all, it's misleading to think of hinduism as a single religion. It is not - that was an oversimplification by Britishers, who wanted to put a label on the variety of religious and spiritual practises they encountered in the Indian subcontinent. There are many different strains/schools of "hinduism". There are polytheistic, monotheistic, panteistic, even atheistic philosophies in what is collectively and misleadingly called 'hinduism'. You will find hindus who do not mind praying in a mosque or sharing a meal with muslims or christians, and you will also find hindus who will take a bath if they so much as touch a lower caste hindu. (That's an extreme example, but such beliefs are still prevalent in some places.)

Now to make a nitpick, the hindu concept of 'karma' is (AFAIK) very different from the buddhist concept, which is what is understood here in the west. The concept of 'you sow what you reap', or the consequence of your actions - that's what the english speaking world means when they say 'karma'. But in the original hindu version, 'karma' simply means 'duty'. So they have many scriptures that extol the virtues of doing one's karma dispassionately, about doing one's 'karma' being the highest 'dharma', and so on.

Hell, I don't know why I am trying to discuss religious concepts here. It is really not my area of expertise, so take all this for what it's worth. Just my personal observations, that's all.

Where you got disappeared after registering yourself on pdf in apr 2012?

 

[Indrani]

I think that represents only one meaning of the word. How would you reconcile that with the usage of the same word in the Gita, which asks the reader to do his 'karma' all the time? (I am reminded of that particular verse which used to be played in the Doordarshan serial's opening credits.)

In that verse and many others, 'karma' means 'duty', and not the consequence of one's actions, which is how it is used in the english language.


Internet Sacred Text Archive Home

It is both. Karma is your actions, your act, your deed, your duty. When asked to perform your karma, it means do what you are supposed to do. That is your duty. Now one's act can be bad or good in the line of duty or in variance with one's duty. Doing your karma is what results in its fruits (consequences), hence derived of Karma.

Gita asking the reader to do his karma is because one has to act at all the time. It is against procrastination and fidgeting thinking, oh what will be? That is what is meant by do your Karma.

The only difference in the Buddhist view and the Hindu view is there is no creator in Buddhism. The wheel of Karma is independent of the creator. Whereas different schools of Hinduism believe either God as enforcer of karma or lesser Gods playing a role in Karma or Karma being independent of God. So virtually the whole spectrum of thoughts there.

 

[ayesha.a]

Where you got disappeared after registering yourself on pdf in apr 2012?

LOL, as I wrote in my intro thread, too busy with the goddamned 'real life'.

Mostly I visit this website to read.

 

[Malghani]

He is a learned Hindu Pandit @Indrani