Originalism and abortion: YLH

[The Accountant]

You, of course, are entitled to your opinion.
The point is that the founding fathers of this country believed that liberalism and secularism were allowed in Islam.



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Thats your own words not the words of the ideologiccal father of Pakistan ... Here is what Iqbal has to say about nationalism v/s religion

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This is a big document can you please quote the specific line from where you got this paragraph extracted ? Without reading it completely I cannot reach the conclusion ...

Furthermore, timeline of this document is also important as we know that both Iqbal and Quaid were initially different persons ... Quaid was a congress man against the concept of separate Muslim identity and Iqbal was a modern english guy away from Quranic verses living in England ...

By the way sometime wonder how an intellectual person in his right mind can really accept that founders of Pakistan believed that a muslim country could have been secular ... I mean if it could be secular then why to divide sub-continent ... On secular values we were not minority infact by today's standard united sub-continent has more Muslims ...

 

[M. Sarmad]

Thats your own words not the words of the ideologiccal father of Pakistan ...

No my friend, those are not my own words:

"We heartily welcome the liberal movement in modern Islam..."

and

"The claim of the present generation of Muslim liberals to re-interpret the foundational legal principles, in the light of their own experience and the altered conditions of modern life, is, in my opinion, perfectly justified."

(Mohammad Iqbal, The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam)

And it was not just Iqbal.


Sir Syed Ahmed Khan is hailed as the father of the two nation theory. He, in a lecture given by him before a large and very influential audience of Muslims in Lucknow, on 18th December, 1887, said :

" ..... Gentlemen, I am not a Conservative, I am a great Liberal.... "

And Jinnah fits quite closely the model of the classic liberal politician.... He wanted a Liberal constitution for Pakistan as well (as recorded by Fatima Jinnah in "My Brother")


And as for Separation of State and Church(i.e. Secularism), Iqbal categorically stated:

Islam as a religio-political system, no doubt, does permit such a view

Furthermore, timeline of this document is also important ... .

There is one indirect reference to the effect that it was given at Hyderabad in 1930.
For details:http://www.allamaiqbal.com/publications/journals/review/oct78/1.htm

By the way sometime wonder how an intellectual person in his right mind can really accept that founders of Pakistan believed that a muslim country could have been secular ... I mean if it could be secular then why to divide sub-continent ... On secular values we were not minority infact by today's standard united sub-continent has more Muslims ...

Here you are 'assuming' that Islam and secularism are incompatible.... The founding fathers of this nation believed otherwise.... Hope that helps clear your confusion.

 

[The Accountant]

No my friend, those are not my own words:

"We heartily welcome the liberal movement in modern Islam..."

and

"The claim of the present generation of Muslim liberals to re-interpret the foundational legal principles, in the light of their own experience and the altered conditions of modern life, is, in my opinion, perfectly justified."

(Mohammad Iqbal, The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam)

And it was not just Iqbal.


Sir Syed Ahmed Khan is hailed as the father of the two nation theory. He, in a lecture given by him before a large and very influential audience of Muslims in Lucknow, on 18th December, 1887, said :

" ..... Gentlemen, I am not a Conservative, I am a great Liberal.... "

And Jinnah fits quite closely the model of the classic liberal politician.... He wanted a Liberal constitution for Pakistan as well (as recorded by Fatima Jinnah in "My Brother")


And as for Separation of State and Church(i.e. Secularism), Iqbal categorically stated:

Islam as a religio-political system, no doubt, does permit such a view



There is one indirect reference to the effect that it was given at Hyderabad in 1930.
For details:http://www.allamaiqbal.com/publications/journals/review/oct78/1.htm



Here you are 'assuming' that Islam and secularism are incompatible.... The founding fathers of this nation believed otherwise.... Hope that helps clear your confusion.

Let me get into details of the documents and get back to you. Meanwhile, can you explain this poem as it is openly contradicting from your point of view ...

 

[M. Sarmad]

Let me get into details of the documents and get back to you. Meanwhile, can you explain this poem as it is openly contradicting from your point of view ...

That's not "my" point of view... I have quoted the "exact words" of the founding fathers.
And I don't see any contradiction here.
Anyhow, prose over poetry, as poetry can be interpreted in many different ways
His English lectures are very clear