Opinionated - How India can "checkmate" China in a week if war breaks out

[punch2000]

Pajeets going to get curb stomped by China Man.

Upcoming stealth guided frigates of Indian Navy(INS Nilgiri):

It's actually pretty good, it will be a force multiplier for least numerous destroyer fleet. It features flush deck, 8 brahmos VLUs, 32 barak ers(and 24- 32 VL astra)
It has lots of space for upgrade , especially in deck it has more space to add more VLUs , will feature MF-STAR S-band and ltr 25 l band radar and most importantly it will be build using a method called modular integrated construction (MIC) where Ships are built in the shortest time when a series of specific pre-planned modules are assembled like a Lego set. Which is unlike the russian way which is least expensive,needs less skilled labour but take longer to build, while MIC is more expensive , need skilled labour and construction will be faster , and this how western countries and China builds its warships and that's how china pumped out so much warships in this short time.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

2020 article:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/eurasiantimes.com/india-to-deploy-shaurya-hypersonic-missile-against-china-under-direct-command-of-pm-modi/

For countering China we have INS Baaz, the naval air station at Andaman and Nicobar islands. Tiger Shark squadron of Su 30 MKI with Brahmos would be enough to complement other naval assets which would choke the Chinese Navy at Strait of Malacca, in case of any conflict

Watch: Anti-ship version of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile test-fired successfully

An anti-ship version of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile was successfully test-fired jointly by the Indian Navy and the Andaman and Nicobar Command. In a tweet, the Andaman and Nicobar Command said the test-firing was carried out on Wednesday.

www.google.com

P15 & P15 B destroyers of Indian Navy carries 16 BrahMos missiles. Thats 48 tons of Anti-ship Firepower. In comparison ships of this size(8000 tons) carry 8 x Harpoons or 8 x Exocet. Thats just 6.2 tons of Anti-ship Firepower. BrahMos is bigger, heavier and WAAAY more capable than Exocet/Harpoon or any similar subsonic missile. 2. It carries 533mm HEAVY Torpedo like the Varunastra Torpedo. It has a much more powerful warhead and a higher range of 40 kms. In comparision, other Destroyers carry 324mm light torpedo tubes. Less firepower and ranges of only around 10 kms. Vishakapatnam Class has accomodation for 2 fully armed Helicopters . Many destroyers can accommodate only 1 helicopter. Barak 8 is an excellent missile, but i would have been happy if it had 16-24 additional Barak 8.
The design of our warships ensures a fantastic broadside coverage.
LRSAM has a higher hit probability than enemy missiles. In terms of protection, our destroyers and frigates are top class. Don't forget the EW capability of the MFstar and the DRDO Shakti EWs. Now coming to offensive weapons: 16 brahmos is excellent and can effectively sink as much as 12 enemy ships including enemy aircraft carrier. I would have preferred atleast 4 of the newly developed SMART missile (similar to ASROC) to scare and target enemy submarine, but i believe this missile is around 2m longer than Brahmos!!

And they have not MKK/ J11 B armed with YJ-12 supersonic missiles with a range of 500 km

Upcoming stealth guided frigates of Indian Navy(INS Nilgiri):

It's actually pretty good, it will be a force multiplier for least numerous destroyer fleet. It features flush deck, 8 brahmos VLUs, 32 barak ers(and 24- 32 VL astra)
It has lots of space for upgrade , especially in deck it has more space to add more VLUs , will feature MF-STAR S-band and ltr 25 l band radar and most importantly it will be build using a method called modular integrated construction (MIC) where Ships are built in the shortest time when a series of specific pre-planned modules are assembled like a Lego set. Which is unlike the russian way which is least expensive,needs less skilled labour but take longer to build, while MIC is more expensive , need skilled labour and construction will be faster , and this how western countries and China builds its warships and that's how china pumped out so much warships in this short time.

they have YJ-12 on Type52 D with HQ-9 SAM

 

[Skyliner]

Bola ha itne bar, na moott peea kro

 

[punch2000]

And they have not MKK/ J11 B armed with YJ-12 supersonic missiles with a range of 500 km

Brahmos perform low skimming with greater speed >>>mach 3, can carry more warheads than Chinese anti-ship missiles. Brahmos travel much faster in its terminal stage. And with accuracy of "1m CEP".
Sea skimming is upto terminal phase after that Brahmos does split-S manuever attack which makes it even more lethal....


The Chinese naval aviation is only around 10 years old

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Brahmos perform low skimming with greater speed >>>mach 3, can carry more warheads than Chinese anti-ship missiles. Brahmos travel much faster in its terminal stage. And with accuracy of "1m CEP".
Sea skimming is upto terminal phase after that Brahmos does split-S manuever attack which makes it even more lethal....


The Chinese naval aviation is only around 10 years old

Brahmouse is not true low skimming anti ship missiles, your copy can travel 10s of meters above the sea (10 to 100 meter) as compare to subsonic anti ship missile YJ-12 has similar flight profile,

And how do you know YJ-12 hasn't terminal S shaped maneuver and 1M CEP, and show me your S maneuver on any clip, i seen YJ-12 terminal S maneuver on YouTube

YJ-12 is also have similar terminal speed of Mach 2.5 to 3 Mach

 

[retaxis]

All of India water flows from China Tibet. China diverts water flow to Xinjiang and kills two birds with one stone. India turns into a desert and Xinjiang turns into rainforest!

 

[Joe Shearer]

All of India water flows from China Tibet. China diverts water flow to Xinjiang and kills two birds with one stone. India turns into a desert and Xinjiang turns into rainforest!

Not all. This is an extremely ignorant view of what water in the Brahmaputra originates where.

Brahmouse

Why do you mis-call it a Brahmouse? Are you planning to degrade the thread into a low-grade troll battle, or do you want to keep it at a more dignified level?

 

[SQ8]

I suspect it is a result. It all depends on the other identity of OP. Our discussion there has resonances, but it is difficult to link thoughts and expressions here with thoughts and expressions on another forum.

Meanwhile, the initial essays in a robust push-back against China has had interesting expressions.

If our current venture plays out maybe we can test this utopian vision out in terms of air warfare

 

[Pak Nationalist]

2020 article:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/eurasiantimes.com/india-to-deploy-shaurya-hypersonic-missile-against-china-under-direct-command-of-pm-modi/

For countering China we have INS Baaz, the naval air station at Andaman and Nicobar islands. Tiger Shark squadron of Su 30 MKI with Brahmos would be enough to complement other naval assets which would choke the Chinese Navy at Strait of Malacca, in case of any conflict

Watch: Anti-ship version of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile test-fired successfully

An anti-ship version of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile was successfully test-fired jointly by the Indian Navy and the Andaman and Nicobar Command. In a tweet, the Andaman and Nicobar Command said the test-firing was carried out on Wednesday.

www.google.com

P15 & P15 B destroyers of Indian Navy carries 16 BrahMos missiles. Thats 48 tons of Anti-ship Firepower. In comparison ships of this size(8000 tons) carry 8 x Harpoons or 8 x Exocet. Thats just 6.2 tons of Anti-ship Firepower. BrahMos is bigger, heavier and WAAAY more capable than Exocet/Harpoon or any similar subsonic missile. 2. It carries 533mm HEAVY Torpedo like the Varunastra Torpedo. It has a much more powerful warhead and a higher range of 40 kms. In comparision, other Destroyers carry 324mm light torpedo tubes. Less firepower and ranges of only around 10 kms. Vishakapatnam Class has accomodation for 2 fully armed Helicopters . Many destroyers can accommodate only 1 helicopter. Barak 8 is an excellent missile, but i would have been happy if it had 16-24 additional Barak 8.
The design of our warships ensures a fantastic broadside coverage.
LRSAM has a higher hit probability than enemy missiles. In terms of protection, our destroyers and frigates are top class. Don't forget the EW capability of the MFstar and the DRDO Shakti EWs. Now coming to offensive weapons: 16 brahmos is excellent and can effectively sink as much as 12 enemy ships including enemy aircraft carrier. I would have preferred atleast 4 of the newly developed SMART missile (similar to ASROC) to scare and target enemy submarine, but i believe this missile is around 2m longer than Brahmos!!

Should have done that in June 2020 when starting from April/May, the Chinese began China cutting of Laddakhi territory in various sectors along the Western LAC. These comparisons based on half-truths (that have made a practice of underestimating the Chinese offensive and defensive systems; naval or otherwise) seem very fetching on paper, but then wars are seldom fought based upon paper comparisons and those too grounded in half-truths.

Upcoming stealth guided frigates of Indian Navy(INS Nilgiri):

It's actually pretty good, it will be a force multiplier for least numerous destroyer fleet. It features flush deck, 8 brahmos VLUs, 32 barak ers(and 24- 32 VL astra)
It has lots of space for upgrade , especially in deck it has more space to add more VLUs , will feature MF-STAR S-band and ltr 25 l band radar and most importantly it will be build using a method called modular integrated construction (MIC) where Ships are built in the shortest time when a series of specific pre-planned modules are assembled like a Lego set. Which is unlike the russian way which is least expensive,needs less skilled labour but take longer to build, while MIC is more expensive , need skilled labour and construction will be faster , and this how western countries and China builds its warships and that's how china pumped out so much warships in this short time.

I remember reading this exact comment somewhere else. Where was this made/copied from?

 

[IblinI]

Yes you read that right. You are surprised?

China has a big weakness nobody seems to be talking about. Before we talk about that let us do a small military comparision.

As you can see China is superior to India in almost every category except tanks and artillery. But in this scenario China is attacking India. India only has to defend itself. Now we can talk about China's biggest weakness:

Geography

We are going to divide the war into land, sea and air theatres. We start with discussing a land war between Indian army and PLA. No need to mention manpower because its the same.

Land warfare- India vs China

The fact that China has 35000 armoured vehicles and India only 12000 does not mean anything considering the geograpgy. The border is spread out 100s of kilometers of rocky, inhospitable, monstrously huge himalayas with narrow bases.

The first thing we can do is to destroy bridges, turn all weather roads to ashes and block strategic mountain passes. When this done China has no hope of advancing.

Air warfare- India vs China

Fanboys will be talking about superior chinese quantity and quality, but what about logistics? Take a look:

PLAAF only has 5 large airbases in Tibet and 2 in Xinjiang. Meanwhile we have 20 bases with flight range of the LAC. The majority of the 3000 PLAAF aircraft are on the eastern side. 3500 km away from where the action will be happening.

This would mean mid-air refueling. It would longer time to respond to Indian attack. Should I also mention that we would be able to track them before they reach war theater?

There is yet another logistic problem. Cargo weight....

Indian airbases with the exception of a few are the on the plains.

The airbases in Tibet are at an altitude of 4000m above sea level.

The lower air density at such high altitudes hampers jet engines and limits the amount of Weapons and fuel military aircraft can carry while still being able to take off.

Meteorological conditions across the Tibetan Plateau, moreover, are unpredictable, making it difficult to plan high-intensity air campaigns.

In short, the PLAAF cannot hope to run a Sustained air campaign.

Sea warfare- India vs China

This one is very interesting. China has the largest navy in the world. We are massively outclasses in both quantity and quality. Look at the submarine ratio or destroyer ratio.

But again the poor chinese have a geography problem.

We are talking about the choke point in strait of malacca

If the Chinese navy entered the Indian ocean region with the goal of engaging the Indian navy, they would have to come through this strait. The channel is very narrow. Only 2 km at its narrowest point. It would be difficult for the Chinese to send naval assets since Indian navy is going to guard the entrance via Indira port.

What do fighter jets, tanks and warship run on? Oil.... 80% of China's oil is imported through the straict of malacca. A naval blockade would bring a oil crisis in China.

This is why i said that China can be checkmated in a week by India.

CCP can push all they want, but they will meet strong resistance and retaliation from the Indian Army, Airforce and Navy.

And then they will learn their lesson.

Jai Hind!

Jai Hind

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Yes you read that right. You are surprised?

China has a big weakness nobody seems to be talking about. Before we talk about that let us do a small military comparision.

As you can see China is superior to India in almost every category except tanks and artillery. But in this scenario China is attacking India. India only has to defend itself. Now we can talk about China's biggest weakness:

Geography

We are going to divide the war into land, sea and air theatres. We start with discussing a land war between Indian army and PLA. No need to mention manpower because its the same.

Land warfare- India vs China

The fact that China has 35000 armoured vehicles and India only 12000 does not mean anything considering the geograpgy. The border is spread out 100s of kilometers of rocky, inhospitable, monstrously huge himalayas with narrow bases.

The first thing we can do is to destroy bridges, turn all weather roads to ashes and block strategic mountain passes. When this done China has no hope of advancing.

Air warfare- India vs China

Fanboys will be talking about superior chinese quantity and quality, but what about logistics? Take a look:

PLAAF only has 5 large airbases in Tibet and 2 in Xinjiang. Meanwhile we have 20 bases with flight range of the LAC. The majority of the 3000 PLAAF aircraft are on the eastern side. 3500 km away from where the action will be happening.

This would mean mid-air refueling. It would longer time to respond to Indian attack. Should I also mention that we would be able to track them before they reach war theater?

There is yet another logistic problem. Cargo weight....

Indian airbases with the exception of a few are the on the plains.

The airbases in Tibet are at an altitude of 4000m above sea level.

The lower air density at such high altitudes hampers jet engines and limits the amount of Weapons and fuel military aircraft can carry while still being able to take off.

Meteorological conditions across the Tibetan Plateau, moreover, are unpredictable, making it difficult to plan high-intensity air campaigns.

In short, the PLAAF cannot hope to run a Sustained air campaign.

Sea warfare- India vs China

This one is very interesting. China has the largest navy in the world. We are massively outclasses in both quantity and quality. Look at the submarine ratio or destroyer ratio.

But again the poor chinese have a geography problem.

We are talking about the choke point in strait of malacca

If the Chinese navy entered the Indian ocean region with the goal of engaging the Indian navy, they would have to come through this strait. The channel is very narrow. Only 2 km at its narrowest point. It would be difficult for the Chinese to send naval assets since Indian navy is going to guard the entrance via Indira port.

What do fighter jets, tanks and warship run on? Oil.... 80% of China's oil is imported through the straict of malacca. A naval blockade would bring a oil crisis in China.

This is why i said that China can be checkmated in a week by India.

CCP can push all they want, but they will meet strong resistance and retaliation from the Indian Army, Airforce and Navy.

And then they will learn their lesson.

Jai Hind!

Don't be a warmonger.

I don't want to elaborate but India will be truly surprised and devastrated if it happens and when it happens.

Just be grateful and be contended both nations are now at peace and communicating with each other.

And China has been quite mature, patience and restrained in its response in dealing with India so far.

BTW CCP or CPC is not a party in India just like the Hindutva BJP is not a party in China.

So it is none of anybody concern.

 

[Foinikas]

One thing the Chinese have as a nation is extreme discipline. Do the Indians have that? Or will the BJP fanboys run away when the CPC members come down?

They have better organisation skills,
dedication,technology and of course leadership. They are far more centralised than India.

 

[IblinI]

Its cute when people from our neighbor here started counting their toys and what they gonna get for this christmas.

 

[punch2000]

Brahmouse is not true low skimming anti ship missiles, your copy can travel 10s of meters above the sea (10 to 100 meter) as compare to subsonic anti ship missile YJ-12 has similar flight profile,

And how do you know YJ-12 hasn't terminal S shaped maneuver and 1M CEP, and show me your S maneuver on any clip, i seen YJ-12 terminal S maneuver on YouTube

YJ-12 is also have similar terminal speed of Mach 2.5 to 3 Mach

Brahmos sea skimming is as low as 3—4 meters

Oniks/Yakhont skims the sea at 30 feet and Mach 2.5, 1,900 mph.

Brahmos has improved guidance using their G30M triple satellite system - GPS, GLONASS, GAGAN, along with active radar.

The Yakhont-M, the air launched model, appears to have only active radar.

I remember reading this exact comment somewhere else. Where was this made/copied from?

Buddy the comment was copied from my earlier comment

 

[punch2000]

Should have done that in June 2020 when starting from April/May, the Chinese began China cutting of Laddakhi territory in various sectors along the Western LAC. These comparisons based on half-truths (that have made a practice of underestimating the Chinese offensive and defensive systems; naval or otherwise) seem very fetching on paper, but then wars are seldom fought based upon paper comparisons and those too grounded in half-truths.