Opinion: Providing Firepower to Palestinian Resistance

[That Guy]

If you're that passionate, why don't you go and buy a plane ticket?

This is about this most reactionary and illogical thing I've read in the past week.

What makes you think that Pakistan will be able to get away with this? What makes you think that Egypt and Jordan, both nations that benefit from peace with Israel, and are generally pro-Israel, would agree to let Pakistan do this? They'll simply laugh at Pakistan, and tell Pakistan to go away and mind its own business.

 

[Dalit]

If raising proxies is the barometer of bravery, then no nation come anywhere near Pakistan, absolutely bad ***. Hell, we screwed USSR and now our proxy Taliban have done America!

Problem with Pakistanis is the lack of understanding towards this issue and hence non seriousness.

Pakistan alone cannot do anything. Individually Pakistan has done good. At least on the militaristic front. We avoid major war with larger and stronger adversaries because we have something that keeps things in balance. That credit fully goes to Pakistan, but that is half the story. Economically we haven't done good. This is where we have to improve leaps and bound.

The fate of Islamic nations can only change if they cooperate economically, militarily and on all other fronts. How much trade volume is there between Islamic nations? How much military cooperation is there between Islamic nations? How much do we collectively invest in education and research? Until then each Islamic nation will be picked on, bullied and humiliated individually.

Our leaders and nations rely on Western nations every second of the day. From handouts to assistance. Even if we have to poop first permission is needed from Western nations. When you put all your eggs in Western basket they will naturally dictate the terms and exploit the situation.

I hold the oil rich Arab nations primarily responsible. The onus and heaviest responsibility is on them to lead the way. They haven't done that.

 

[Total Destruction]

Yes.



Isn't that a patronizing statement ? Are Christians not to be equal citizens in modern Muslim-majority countries ?

Modern days are something else .. Sharia is not applied in most of the islamic countries . only european made laws are applied . we were ordered to treat christians so well and they have to pay jizya same as we pay zakat , since they pay jazya they aren't to be enlisted in the military but since no sharia applies they join the army.

I don't know why you even mention this .. I told you my point , any muslim is close to me than any other dude believing in any religion.

If you're that passionate, why don't you go and buy a plane ticket?

This is about this most reactionary and illogical thing I've read in the past week.

What makes you think that Pakistan will be able to get away with this? What makes you think that Eygpt and Jordan, both nations that benefit from peace with Israel, and are generally pro-Israel, would agree to let Pakistan do this? They'll simply laugh at Pakistan, and tell Pakistan to go away and mind its own business.

actually during mubarak era (even tho he was a scumbag) but he did let the underground tunnels until the jew lover sisi came to power and started to demolish it.
we won't laugh at you , actually we would welcome the pak army but first we need to get rid of sisi.

 

[Arian]

If raising proxies is the barometer of bravery, then no nation come anywhere near Pakistan, absolutely bad ***. Hell, we screwed USSR and now our proxy Taliban have done America!

Problem with Pakistanis is the lack of understanding towards this issue and hence non seriousness.

Are you comparing Hamas, a group of Palestinians that their lands have been stolen from them, to a bunch of ruthless backward people that has been the root cause of Afghanistan's illiteracy and development problems? Do you know what the Taliban did in Afghanistan? How is that in any way relevant to the occupation of Palestine by Israel?

Yes, raising proxies against the occupying regime of Israel that has been killing Palestinian civilians for decades, has deprived them of their own natural resources like water, has made millions of them homeless, and continues to oppress Palestinians and deprive them of basic human rights, is a barometer of bravery when all other Muslims are turning a blind eye to these atrocities and pretend that it is better for Palestinians to be left alone to die unarmed, only because they fear the reactions of the oppressors and care only about their own interests.

 

[JackTheRipper]

Yet Iran is doing a lot better than Pakistan in education, science, economy, healthcare, HDI, sports, etc. So, it isn't as stupid as you think. There's no justification for cowardice. All these Muslims that have left Palestinians to die while they shake hands with their killers are cowards. As simple as that.

The United States carpet bombed your country for several years without your permission and the best you could do was to pretend that you had given them permission to bomb the hell out of your civilians. You are the last person on the planet that can complain about a small sabotage operation that at best delayed our centrifuge assembly by a few months.

US attacks were on TTP in Pakistan, lol All TTP big culprits Baitullah Mehsood, Hakeemullah Mehsood and others were killed by US, when militancy were at peak in Pakistan. On Musharraf days, US ask for permission on every drone attack, While civilians govt do not accept they are giving permission for drone attacks for their vote bank. Now, 99% terrorists cleaned from Pakistan and now no drone attacks.

Where was Iranian bravery, when his general was roasting like chicken?

 

[Dalit]

US attacks were on TTP in Pakistan, lol All TTP big culprits Baitullah Mehsood, Hakeemullah Mehsood and others were killed by US, when militancy were at peak in Pakistan. On Musharraf days, US ask for permission on every drone attack, While civilians govt do not accept they are giving permission for drone attacks for their vote bank. Now, 99% terrorists cleaned from Pakistan and now no drone attacks.

Where was Iranian bravery, when his general was roasting like chicken?

This right here is a classic example why Islamic nations will never succeed in unifying. Too much disunity. Too many blame games. Too many disagreements. Too many hurdles.

When you cannot even find common ground on bare essentials. Let's not even talk about common major issues that affect us all equally.

There used to be a time in history when Western nations were slaying each other in useless battles. They had similar disagreements. Sanity prevailed. Look at them today and look at us.

 

[alimobin memon]

I am more worried about Kashmiris grabbing my collar not Palestinians. Our country cant even get Kahmir back and you want us to travel to other side of globe to wage war against Israel. Grow up. That is why i said Molvis have turned our brains into mush. We live in world of fantasies not reality. Muslims in their prime had money to finance their wars not stories. If you run into a soldier nowadays with just you faith he will put 20 bullets up your arse before you can even reach him. Allah also gave us brains so please use it for once.

You should be worried about each and every Muslim on earth thats what islam is. If we help palestine and kashmir its better there is no priority here, all are equal and FYI pakistan aids and supports kashmir whenever they can.

 

[jamahir]

we were ordered to treat christians so well and they have to pay jizya same as we pay zakat , since they pay jazya they aren't to be enlisted in the military but since no sharia applies they join the army.

Yes, that is the situation of the then and of the now.

I don't know why you even mention this .. I told you my point , any muslim is close to me than any other dude believing in any religion.

So that's your POV.

As for me, I am a communist and those 350,000+ Indian Hindu farmers who committed suicide between 1995 and 2015 because of socio-economic reasons, their tragedy is as close to me as the fellow-Muslim Tableeghi Jamaatis, however misguided the TJ people are.

I can only ask you to be more pan-human. Isn't that why the Venezuelan non-Muslim revolutionary, Carlos, helped the mostly Muslim Palestinians in their struggle ?

Lastly though, I see that you as a Middle Easterner are angry about a struggle in your region.

 

[Arian]

US attacks were on TTP in Pakistan, lol All TTP big culprits Baitullah Mehsood, Hakeemullah Mehsood and others were killed by US, when militancy were at peak in Pakistan. On Musharraf days, US ask for permission on every drone attack, While civilians govt do not accept they are giving permission for attacks for their drone attack. Now, 99% terrorists cleaned from Pakistan and now no drone attacks.

Where was Iranian bravery, when his general was roasting like chicken?

The issue of the US drones carpet bombing innocent civilians in Pakistan is so well-known and long that it has its own Wikipedia entry containing a list of events from 2004 to 2018. LOL 14 years of humiliation at the hands of the United States (which can become ongoing again) and turning a blind eye to the killings of your own civilians speak volumes about your cowardice:

List of drone strikes in Pakistan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Iran fired 13 missiles at 2 US bases to establish deterrence (something that was unprecedented since the World War II and Pakistan does not dare to do it even several decades later) and Trump that had initially claimed to strike 52 targets of cultural value in Iran chickened out and said "All is well" after being hit by 13 missiles and having over 100 of American soldiers wounded. The IRGC since then has become even more aggressive against the United States in the region. So, basically, the US move achieved nothing on the ground because Soleimani was superseded just a day later by General Ghaani, except that it made their troops a punching bag for Iraqi militias since then. Almost every week since then the Iraqi militias are attacking the US troops in Iraq.

In brave countries, soldiers like Soleimani lose their lives to protect their civilians. When your civilians lose their lives and become target practice for a foreign country for your politicians to save face, that's cowardice and incompetency at its best.

 

[Dalit]

You should be worried about each and every Muslim on earth thats what islam is. If we help palestine and kashmir its better there is no priority here, all are equal and FYI pakistan aids and supports kashmir whenever they can.

Nothing will unite us. Not Islam. Not humanity. Not even common goals. The gap is too wide. The disagreements are absolutely pathetic, but we are a set of useless wretched bodies who would rather argue and shed blood on pety issues. It is a sorry state of affairs.

In the end, you reap what you sow.

 

[JackTheRipper]

If raising proxies is the barometer of bravery, then no nation come anywhere near Pakistan, absolutely bad ***. Hell, we screwed USSR and now our proxy Taliban have done America!

Problem with Pakistanis is the lack of understanding towards this issue and hence non seriousness.

Lol, But in Afghanistan, US was fighting with a group not whole country, Taliban run away and cross Pakistan border, after attacks. And in reality Taliban are fighting with Afghan Army not US. Total US causality are below 3000 in 20 years war and most of them in crash of Helicopters or Jet. If Pakistan tried proxy war with Israel, it will convert to full scale war by US and fate will be like Japan. Countries like India or Pakistan can not stand a single day. It will be good if Pakistan focus only India. I do not know why moderators allowed such silly thread.

 

[Total Destruction]

Yes, that is the situation of the then and of the now.



So that's your POV.

As for me, I am a communist and those 350,000+ Indian Hindu farmers who committed suicide between 1995 and 2015 because of socio-economic reasons, their tragedy is as close to me as the fellow-Muslim Tableeghi Jamaatis, however misguided the TJ people are.

I can only ask you to be more pan-human. Isn't that why the Venezuelan non-Muslim revolutionary, Carlos, helped the mostly Muslim Palestinians in their struggle ?

Lastly though, I see that you as a Middle Easterner are angry about a struggle in your region.

No actually i'm angry about Kashmir also , and also about Bosnia a friend of mine his father was a mujahhed in Bosnia and my friend is a martyr in Syria.

I'm pan human as long as they don't hurt my brothers or sisters , but how do you want me to be a friend to who hurts them ? it won't happen.

btw I don't believe in these socialist communist revolutions even if they help muslims because they do so for an agenda to spread communism among us.

gamal abdel nasser was a socialist but he is a big loser who made lose every war he went in , yemen war or 1967 war.

 

[Dalit]

The issue of the US drones carpet bombing innocent civilians in Pakistan is so well-known and long that it has its own Wikipedia entry containing a list of events from 2004 to 2018. LOL 14 years of humiliation at the hands of the United States (which can become ongoing again) and turning a blind eye to the killings of your own civilians speak volumes about your cowardice:

List of drone strikes in Pakistan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Iran fired 13 missiles at 2 US bases to establish deterrence (something that was unprecedented since the World War II and Pakistan does not dare to do it even several decades later) and Trump that had initially claimed to strike 52 targets of cultural value in Iran chickened out and said "All is well" after being hit by 13 missiles and having over 100 of American soldiers wounded. The IRGC since then has become even more aggressive against the United States in the region. So, basically, the US move achieved nothing on the ground because Soleimani was superseded just a day later by General Ghaani, except that it made their troops a punching bag for Iraqi militias since then. Almost every week since then the Iraqi militias are attacking the US troops in Iraq.

In brave countries, soldiers like Soleimani lose their lives to protect their civilians. When your civilians lose their lives and become target practice for a foreign country for your politicians to save face, that's cowardice and incompetency at its best.

Don't argue with libturds. Especially Pakistani libturds. This is a very special and unique breed. These libturds will argue all day long tirelessly. When it comes to actual solutions they have none. They have a laundry list of excuses and complaints. Always bitching, nagging and arguing like an old woman. When you propose solutions they go in radio silence mode.

Their solutions are very different to ours. They believe in appeasment. You and I believe in self-sufficiency. Two very different worlds.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

It's the responsibility of Egypt not any other country .. we are the ones who should support Gaza with weapons, food , water and everything ,, but we can we do ? sisi is the leader and he is a piece of shit jew lover.

If all Arabs, Non arbs set aside their differences and unite. NATO, America, China, Russia, Israel in sab ka baap bhi kuch nai ukhar sakta.

 

[Dalit]

If all Arabs, Non arbs set aside their differences and unite. NATO, America, China, Russia, Israel in sab ka baap bhi kuch nai ukhar sakta.

LOL you think the elites and libturds on our side want any of this? They want to remain shackled to Western enslavement. Let the aid and freebies flow in. Let me just profit from my Western sponsored NGO by selling my dignity and soil. That is what these libturds seek.

I have spent decades on such Pakistani forums. I have learnt one thing over all these years. Never approach a Pakistani libturd for solutions. You will leave empty handed, disillusioned, pessimistic and without any solutions. Pessimism, bitching and whining is part of our DNA. We are a people who don't think constructively.